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[AlphaLackey]

Boston lost 7-2 to the Sabres on Tuesday, I'd hate to be the team playing against them after that....

I'd hate to be a team that lost 7-2 to the Sabres.

 

[voyageur]

My eye test is that Stanley>Fleury and Miller needs to be playing the right side

The stat test says
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It's funny though because the Jets lost 2 games in a row with Miller in the lineup, and have won 4 in a row since Fleury came into the lineup. They've had some breakdowns as a pairing, but I thought I pointed out a good reason for why Scotty went that way in the Habs PGT: Josh injury against Cgy, Lowry injury against Utah, and the need for an extra PKer if the Jets wanted to protect Morrissey from PK reps.

 

[Buffdog]

How do u do that? I mean they are passing season with flying colours and u can’t recreate playoff conditions, reffing, closer games prior. You can’t get other team to play better, so it must be hard to keep players focused and not chasing points when it means more money when they have taken the last few games minus avs easily.

I think that if the coaching staff were wise, they'd have specific things they'd like to change or tighten up going into the playoffs

For example, get F1 on the puck sooner on the forecheck, tightening up D zone structure (forcing shot attempts to the outside), D making better reads in the O zone to ensure having an F high before activating to reduce odd mans, etc

Like you said.. you can't change things to make it feel like a playoff game, but you can start to introduce concepts you want seen during the playoffs

One thing that always fascinated me around 10 years ago was playing the Blackhawks. You'd get them early in the season and games would be kinda bad and forth, free wheeling... but towards the end of February, they had their shit together and were playing playoff hockey

Teams that are successful in the playoffs understand that it's a different game (watch... things will start tightening up after the 4 nations) and they know how to flip the switch

This team needs to figure out what that looks like. It sounded during the exit interviews that they all knew that what they did won't cut it moving forward

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

My eye test is that Stanley>Fleury and Miller needs to be playing the right side

The stat test says
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Interesting to see tbe bump stan gets from our winning streak and then fleury gets back on the roster just as the road trip from hell.starts... not that it makes the whole difference and im not a fan of fleury but interesting nonetheless

Also see the bump where samberg returns

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think that if the coaching staff were wise, they'd have specific things they'd like to change or tighten up going into the playoffs

For example, get F1 on the puck sooner on the forecheck, tightening up D zone structure (forcing shot attempts to the outside), D making better reads in the O zone to ensure having an F high before activating to reduce odd mans, etc

Like you said.. you can't change things to make it feel like a playoff game, but you can start to introduce concepts you want seen during the playoffs

One thing that always fascinated me around 10 years ago was playing the Blackhawks. You'd get them early in the season and games would be kinda bad and forth, free wheeling... but towards the end of February, they had their shit together and were playing playoff hockey

Teams that are successful in the playoffs understand that it's a different game (watch... things will start tightening up after the 4 nations) and they know how to flip the switch

This team needs to figure out what that looks like. It sounded during the exit interviews that they all knew that what they did won't cut it moving forward

I mean they are reluctant to try things out. Like one thing u could do to prep is try kc and schief on different lines that way if they shut down one they have another line to deal with. We know csv works, what other combos can they go to in playoffs?

 

[Jets 31]

He always stands out in a good way whenever I’ve seen the moose. Lots of energy.

Ya i agree, he has some decent speed too. Not the speed of a Camaro but Mustang speed is pretty good.

 

[voyageur]

So Miller back in tonight, against the team he started with, and Ford replaces Barron on the 4th line.

 

[buggs]

Let's see what our Ford can do. Good to see him get a chance.



Bruins don't scare me like they used to, but they can still play well. Don't take them lightly. Much as I'd trade a win tonight for a win in Washington I think a win tonight is more likely, so let's go get it.

GJG.

 

[Buffdog]

I mean they are reluctant to try things out. Like one thing u could do to prep is try kc and schief on different lines that way if they shut down one they have another line to deal with. We know csv works, what other combos can they go to in playoffs?

I was speaking specifically style of play, but it never hurts to have options in case you have to switch it up due to injury or inefectiveness

That said, if think maybe waiting for a game where things aren't going well to get the blender out is more Arniel's style (he's done it in the past)

 

[Adam da bomb]

I was speaking specifically style of play, but it never hurts to have options in case you have to switch it up due to injury or inefectiveness

That said, if think maybe waiting for a game where things aren't going well to get the blender out is more Arniel's style (he's done it in the past)

I have never played at a high level, but, I imagine the difference between po is physicality.

 

[Hobble]

it seems weird we have 2 players chasing the goal scoring title as well as the top goalie. It seems like if u are a good defensive team you take less offensive risks which keeps goal scoring down, you are also less likely to get pp.

This plus our exceptional PP really explains why most our distain for the team is directed to our 6’7 6th/7th defenseman.

 

[Adam da bomb]

This plus our exceptional PP really explains why most our distain for the team is directed to our 6’7 6th/7th defenseman.

Which I’ve tried to avoid as he is what he is and he is playing, so trying to skim to the 5% not bout him.

 

[Buffdog]

I have never played at a high level, but, I imagine the difference between po is physicality.

I've never played NHL playoffs either lol, but it seems like everything gets tougher. It's harder to get to the front of the net, and you pay the price when you do. Guys battle harder for pucks, etc

There's the famous story of the 1983 oilers after they lost to the Islanders.. they realized that they were probably the better team, but that the Isles "knew how to win"... once the Oilers figured that out, they went on to win 4 in a row (and could have been more if not for Shane Smith lol)



I just hope that the Jets had the same kind of "A-HA moment" last April.

 

[Jet]

I'm hoping the dealership scores tonight!

 

[raideralex99]

Interesting to see tbe bump stan gets from our winning streak and then fleury gets back on the roster just as the road trip from hell.starts... not that it makes the whole difference and im not a fan of fleury but interesting nonetheless

Also see the bump where samberg returns

The 3rd pairing I don't pay that much attention to the stats I just notice the goals against errors but as long as they don't lose the game I'm ok with them but I do think they should rotate them. Miller must be injured or not 100% according to stats he is the best defensive D man on the Jets.
You really notice a big difference when Samberg is in the lineup .... I hope Chevy signs him to a long contact.
Also when Morrissey went down the Jets defence looked like a non-playoff team but that time Samberg was out too.

 

[roccerfeller]

Every time we play the bruins, win or lose, I give my thanks that they passed over Kyle Connor three times in the draft.

It provides a similar calm to that of a Zen Garden

 

[buggs]

I've never played NHL playoffs either lol, but it seems like everything gets tougher. It's harder to get to the front of the net, and you pay the price when you do. Guys battle harder for pucks, etc

There's the famous story of the 1983 oilers after they lost to the Islanders.. they realized that they were probably the better team, but that the Isles "knew how to win"... once the Oilers figured that out, they went on to win 4 in a row (and could have been more if not for Shane Smith lol)



I just hope that the Jets had the same kind of "A-HA moment" last April.

"Gotta get there and see what it takes, usual end result is losing". My pet theory is you have to make it to the actual final to learn that lesson - I think Florida being a useful, recent example. I'd prefer if you are correct and the boys learned it in the first round.

My contention is that the Jets may not quite be there yet. I love the way Connor is playing this year but I still need to see more physicality from him in the playoffs. Last couple of years he's shied away from contact along the boards, even in the neutral zone during puck battles. That is fine in the regular season but doesn't fly in the playoffs. Not to pick on Connor exclusively, I feel similarly about Ehlers; he seems more willing to engage physically but his performance hasn't elevated to that next level in the playoffs. I think Scheifele gets it, likely having learned it during the Vegas series when it was a conference final. Lowry clearly and that whole line plays that style anyway so it's not as dramatic a change. Morrissey for sure - I love his playoff mean streak. Pionk showed it against the Oilers in the Covid playoff.

I think there are quite a few guys on the Jets that understand it, but a few that have yet to learn it. A couple are too new to have that experience yet. Maybe Vilardi and Samberg fit this. Perfetti too. Stan's skating concerns me greatly come playoff time when the next gear kicks in; his physicality does not.

Anyway, love these east coast trips for the start times. Looking forward to retirement though when start times will become irrelevant and easily addressed with naps.

 

[Skidooboy]

I agree 100% that the 2 points are ultimately meaningless

You're right, this part of the season can become very repetitive and monotonous for the guys. 82 games is a grind, and like anything else in life, the middle part of the grind is the hardest part (kind of like enduring the long cold winters in manitoba... December is OK because it's just starting and there Christmas to look forward to and the end of February/start of march is OK because the end is in sight... but those mid January and the long, cold dark days are hardest)

Ultimately this team got bounced last April because they failed to elevate their game like all other teams do during the playoffs. The Avs flipped some kind of switch between the shitkicking we gave them at the end of the year and game 1 (maybe games 2?) Of the playoffs

If I'm Arniel, I'm not waiting until the playoffs to hope the Jets find that next level. I'm finding a few big games here and there and using them specifically to challenge the team to up the intensity and to find a playoff style of game to play

It wouldn't be every game at this point, but this is one I'd circle on the calender. As the season winds down, I'm doing it more and more so that they're already humming at that level when the playoffs start. Trying to figure out how to do it at that time is a great way to end up down 3-1 in a series

I'm not a big believer of this magical "switch" that SOME teams can turn on....

Avs are Good and the Jets made some bad plays....and were less than good in that series....... and Helle struggled sure....

But is it some "Ok it's the playoffs now turn it up to 11!!!" action of the Av's?

or is it the effects of luck,puck luck, and (forgive me for using stats talk...) regression to the "mean"? We roasted the avs in the reg season... and we won game 1...that's what 4 straight against the team.. let alone the 8 straight wins down the stretch.....

beating any team that many times in a row, especially a good one...is really hard. and a 14-16 game streak? that's even less probable.

TBH we were "due" the loss..... and the Av's had some incredible luck(still trying hard to not talk about reffing) and Georgieve suddenly went on the biggest heater ever... the combination of those things hit, at the worst possible time.... and our guys just couldn't do enough to change that ....

because if the Avs have the "switch" what happened in the Dallas series? Or to Dallas in the Oilers series?

There's a hidden implication in that line of logic that means the Av's were throwing games there in the Reg season knowing they could just beat us in the playoffs....which I think is silly.. if they could just kick it into the next gear? then why not do that when the Jets Avs head to head game essentially settled the "Home Ice in round one" question? Do you think the Avs didn't care about Home Ice? Or were using nth dimensional strategy?

And why did the Jets just keep rolling again in October? and carry it through till today....

to my eyes we had a bad week in the wrong time.....an outlier, a slump that each and every good team has all the time......

I think we win that series 6 out of ten times... we hit one of the four....
they aren't an unbeatable juggernaut any more than we are.

 

[Moloch]

I feel like owning them in the regular season and beating them 6-0 or whatever in our last reg season game maybe made our team play down to them. We mightve gone into the poffs thinking itd be easy and didnt adjust accordingly, who knows

 

[Buffdog]

I'm not a big believer of this magical "switch" that SOME teams can turn on....

Avs are Good and the Jets made some bad plays....and were less than good in that series....... and Helle struggled sure....

But is it some "Ok it's the playoffs now turn it up to 11!!!" action of the Av's?

or is it the effects of luck,puck luck, and (forgive me for using stats talk...) regression to the "mean"? We roasted the avs in the reg season... and we won game 1...that's what 4 straight against the team.. let alone the 8 straight wins down the stretch.....

beating any team that many times in a row, especially a good one...is really hard. and a 14-16 game streak? that's even less probable.

TBH we were "due" the loss..... and the Av's had some incredible luck(still trying hard to not talk about reffing) and Georgieve suddenly went on the biggest heater ever... the combination of those things hit, at the worst possible time.... and our guys just couldn't do enough to change that ....

because if the Avs have the "switch" what happened in the Dallas series? Or to Dallas in the Oilers series?

There's a hidden implication in that line of logic that means the Av's were throwing games there in the Reg season knowing they could just beat us in the playoffs....which I think is silly.. if they could just kick it into the next gear? then why not do that when the Jets Avs head to head game essentially settled the "Home Ice in round one" question? Do you think the Avs didn't care about Home Ice? Or were using nth dimensional strategy?

And why did the Jets just keep rolling again in October? and carry it through till today....

to my eyes we had a bad week in the wrong time.....an outlier, a slump that each and every good team has all the time......

I think we win that series 6 out of ten times... we hit one of the four....
they aren't an unbeatable juggernaut any more than we are.

I don't think it's a "switch" per se (although I did say that lol"

It's just an increase in intensity. I've compared it before to running (though I'm not an avid runner, so if anyone is... feel free to correct me)

Think of pre-season hockey like a person just going out for a jog. No timing, no set distance or pace... just going for a run

Think of regular season like training sessions... you're working hard, making improvements, etc

The playoffs are like a race day where you're trying to set a personal best. You'll go all out and empty the tank to beat that time

The problem is that often times teams don't realize that they're only running at a training pace in the playoffs until someone blows past them

The closest experience I've had personally was my first jiu jitsu tournament. Sparring is hard enough... you're wrestling with someone who is trying to choke you and break your limbs lol.. but in my first competition, the pace and intensity was like 10X. I went from being able to spar back to back 6:00 rounds in training to being completely gassed after one 6:00 match in competition... we're talking lungs burning, throat scratching... couldn't close my hands because my grips were fried

You could have described that difference to me, but until I experienced it, I wouldn't have been able to fully understand what it's like

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I'm not a big believer of this magical "switch" that SOME teams can turn on....

Avs are Good and the Jets made some bad plays....and were less than good in that series....... and Helle struggled sure....

But is it some "Ok it's the playoffs now turn it up to 11!!!" action of the Av's?

or is it the effects of luck,puck luck, and (forgive me for using stats talk...) regression to the "mean"? We roasted the avs in the reg season... and we won game 1...that's what 4 straight against the team.. let alone the 8 straight wins down the stretch.....

beating any team that many times in a row, especially a good one...is really hard. and a 14-16 game streak? that's even less probable.

TBH we were "due" the loss..... and the Av's had some incredible luck(still trying hard to not talk about reffing) and Georgieve suddenly went on the biggest heater ever... the combination of those things hit, at the worst possible time.... and our guys just couldn't do enough to change that ....

because if the Avs have the "switch" what happened in the Dallas series? Or to Dallas in the Oilers series?

There's a hidden implication in that line of logic that means the Av's were throwing games there in the Reg season knowing they could just beat us in the playoffs....which I think is silly.. if they could just kick it into the next gear? then why not do that when the Jets Avs head to head game essentially settled the "Home Ice in round one" question? Do you think the Avs didn't care about Home Ice? Or were using nth dimensional strategy?

And why did the Jets just keep rolling again in October? and carry it through till today....

to my eyes we had a bad week in the wrong time.....an outlier, a slump that each and every good team has all the time......

I think we win that series 6 out of ten times... we hit one of the four....
they aren't an unbeatable juggernaut any more than we are.

I fully believe samberg changes that series... avs cant run hard on the forecheck against pionk with samberg instead of dillon... with pionk thrown off his game - jomo.was trapped as our shutdown guy and

Dallas had more defensive depth than us so that eliminated the avs cheating on the forecheck...

Crisp breakout passes eliminate rhe avs game plan - but our forward were still cheating and our D was rattled... never recovered

 

[voyageur]

I fully believe samberg changes that series... avs cant run hard on the forecheck against pionk with samberg instead of dillon... with pionk thrown off his game - jomo.was trapped as our shutdown guy and

Dallas had more defensive depth than us so that eliminated the avs cheating on the forecheck...

Crisp breakout passes eliminate rhe avs game plan - but our forward were still cheating and our D was rattled... never recovered

Cocaine bear was a big factor too.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Cocaine bear was a big factor too.

An unfairly maligned movie... the bear behaviour in it is actually quite accurate

 

[Skidooboy]

I don't think it's a "switch" per se (although I don't say that lol"

It's just an increase in intensity. I've compared it before to running (though I'm not an avid runner, so if anyone is... feel free to correct me)

Think of pre-season hockey like a person just going out for a jog. No timing, no set distance or pace... just going for a run

Think of regular season like training sessions... you're working hard, making improvements, etc

The playoffs are like a race day where you're trying to set a personal best. You'll go all out and empty the tank to beat that time

The problem is that often times teams don't realize that they're only running at a training pace in the playoffs until someone blows past them

The closest experience I've had personally was my first jiu jitsu tournament. Sparring is hard enough... you're wrestling with. Someone who is trying to chok you and breqkk your limbs lol.. but in my first competition, the pace land intensity was like 10X. I went from being able to spar back to back 6:00 rounds in training to being completely gassed after one 6:00 match in competition... we're talking lungs burning, throat scratching... could close my hands because my grips were fried

You could have described that difference 3to me, but until I experienced it, I wouldn't have been able to fully understand what it's like

ok perfect..my background in my youth is boxing (incredibly amature and no real organised fights...just club matches) But I know that feeling. and being from a small club...we fought each other a lot..and being a certain weight class and level of skill...we were pretty well matched. amongst my group...... and I don't mean practice..this wasn't "sparring". We were fighting. The coach wasn't gonna stop us mid round, step in with advice and then back to the fight... .I was fighting to win and win big, I wanted to knock someone out... every time i went in the ring...just to know the feeling... I knew this was as far as I was ever going to get in "sports" so those matches were my "playoffs"....

Worse..I know that feeling of knowing your arms are noodles, and your opponent isn't gassed, and you have to go in there again and no matter what..you aren't able to stop him.

But I also know that some days I felt "I couldn't be better, more rested, more ready to go...." and then I crapped the bed.. beaten 6 ways from Sunday..nothing worked, couldn't puch, couldn't weave,couldn't counter.....

..and the other times when I was feeling frail, and couldn't focus, and went in thinking"I have to do this and I'm going to get beat hard" only to dominate and make it easy....

same me, same opponent.... different days.

Or when I coached kids soccer. we could beat a team then lose to them the very next week.... was it because they were better? was it because my kids weren't trying? was it because they were able to go to some "next level" no and No...

sometimes you make a mistake..then it compounds and suddenly you look like you don't belong in the same planet.... sometimes your opponent does that...sometimes both of you play amazing and somebody still gets beat.

It's sport underdogs hit, champions falter...it's not always effort, will or talent....
sometimes you eat the bear...sometimes he eats you.

An unfairly maligned movie... the bear behaviour in it is actually quite accurate

I did some cocaine with some bears once....
they just danced, got horney, and went home together.......

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

ok perfect..my background in my youth is boxing (incredibly amature and no real organised fights...just club matches) But I know that feeling. and being from a small club...we fought each other a lot..and being a certain weight class and level of skill...we were pretty well matched. amongst my group...... and I don't mean practice..this wasn't "sparring". We were fighting. The coach wasn't gonna stop us mid round, step in with advice and then back to the fight... .I was fighting to win and win big, I wanted to knock someone out... every time i went in the ring...just to know the feeling... I knew this was as far as I was ever going to get in "sports" so those matches were my "playoffs"....

Worse..I know that feeling of knowing your arms are noodles, and your opponent isn't gassed, and you have to go in there again and no matter what..you aren't able to stop him.

But I also know that some days I felt "I couldn't be better, more rested, more ready to go...." and then I crapped the bed.. beaten 6 ways from Sunday..nothing worked, couldn't puch, couldn't weave,couldn't counter.....

..and the other times when I was feeling frail, and couldn't focus, and went in thinking"I have to do this and I'm going to get beat hard" only to dominate and make it easy....

same me, same opponent.... different days.

Or when I coached kids soccer. we could beat a team then lose to them the very next week.... was it because they were better? was it because my kids weren't trying? was it because they were able to go to some "next level" no and No...

sometimes you make a mistake..then it compounds and suddenly you look like you don't belong in the same planet.... sometimes your opponent does that...sometimes both of you play amazing and somebody still gets beat.

It's sport underdogs hit, champions falter...it's not always effort, will or talent....
sometimes you eat the bear...sometimes he eats you.


I did some cocaine with some bears once....
they just danced, got horney, and went home together.......

@Jet is probably more of an expert on partying with bears than i am... i just do tours