Jets Season Ticket Member Advisory Council

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Jets season ticket holders received an email from the club today entitled ‘Winnipeg Jets Season Ticket Member Advisory Council’. They are asking for participation from their season ticket holders to assist in helping the club in a variety of areas.

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a way to have your voice heard? Maybe?
 

jetsmooseice

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I think attendance could start becoming a big issue if nothing changes.

I know a ton of people (myself included) not renewing season tickets, and the switch to only having to commit to 1 year for season tickets clearly demonstrates that demand has come down.

Will be interesting to see.

Winnipeg is an interesting market. The passion is there but this is not a deep pocketed city, we don't have thousands of corporate executives who expense their season tickets every year and don't think too much about it. For the most part the money is coming directly out of people's wallets and I don't think it's an easy decision to make for all but the wealthiest.

So when you have situations like the absolute soap opera that the team has become, you make it pretty easy for people to check out. I don't think anyone is expecting a Stanley Cup contender year after year, but the crazy dramatics going on are a lot to swallow for the prices people are expected to pay. Hiring Trotz will create a lot of goodwill with the base, but if we end up with Scott Arniel or whoever then it's going to be a pretty bad scene.
 
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Winnipeg is an interesting market. The passion is there but this is not a deep pocketed city, we don't have thousands of corporate executives who expense their season tickets every year and don't think too much about it. For the most part the money is coming directly out of people's wallets and I don't think it's an easy decision to make for all but the wealthiest.

So when you have situations like the absolute soap opera that the team has become, you make it pretty easy for people to check out. I don't think anyone is expecting a Stanley Cup contender year after year, but the crazy dramatics going on are a lot to swallow for the prices people are expected to pay. Hiring Trotz will create a lot of goodwill with the base, but if we end up with Scott Arniel or whoever then it's going to be a pretty bad scene.
it's not even the team's attitude issues. it's the fact that the price of season tickets have nearly doubled since the team came back, the game experience has gone way down (in large part due to the rule that you can't leave the building). $15,000 for 2 nosebleed seats per year in arguably the poorest nhl city is absolutely absurd. But maybe, just maybe, if you're super lucky, your row may win a coupon for a buy one get one slice of pizza not redeemable in the arena :laugh:.
 

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it's not even the team's attitude issues. it's the fact that the price of season tickets have nearly doubled since the team came back, the game experience has gone way down (in large part due to the rule that you can't leave the building). $15,000 for 2 nosebleed seats per year in arguably the poorest nhl city is absolutely absurd. But maybe, just maybe, if you're super lucky, your row may win a coupon for a buy one get one slice of pizza not redeemable in the arena :laugh:.
Uhhh… that’s not accurate. Looking at Jets season ticket Page the most expensive upper bowl seats (minus loge seats) are $8300 for a pair.
 

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it's not even the team's attitude issues. it's the fact that the price of season tickets have nearly doubled since the team came back, the game experience has gone way down (in large part due to the rule that you can't leave the building). $15,000 for 2 nosebleed seats per year in arguably the poorest nhl city is absolutely absurd. But maybe, just maybe, if you're super lucky, your row may win a coupon for a buy one get one slice of pizza not redeemable in the arena :laugh:.
I’m sorry but you either are not a season ticket holder or are just absolutely horrible at math. I have 2 seats in section 325 row 9; just 3 rows from the roof so about as nose bleed as it gets, for a half season and they cost less than $3000 combined So even if they were full season that would be less than $6000 which is about 40% of your ridiculous notion of $15,000 for 2 nosebleed seats!!! And your saying the game experience has gone down because you can’t leave the arena, that’s interesting because the last time I checked the game was inside the arena not outside.
 

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The Jets had a very good run with high demand in the form of season tickets contracts for the first decade. This is the beginning of a new era for TNSE where they are going to have to grind out ticket sales like 90% of the other NHL teams. I think David Thomson’s quote about utimatley this will come down to the will of the fans to support the team is finally relevant. Not sure what Thomson or Chipman’s appitite will be to eat losses if they get too high? Running any business is tough and TNSE have made their fair share of mistakes. Hopefully they learn and grow. I will try to get out to about 8-10 games most seasons to keep supporting the NHL in Winnipeg.
 

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Not sure what Thomson or Chipman’s appitite will be to eat losses if they get too high?
The Thomsons do not "eat losses". Everything - and that cannot be stressed enough - they do and did was and is for profit - lots of it. His dad (who famously said he'd walk a block to save a dime) ate at a nearby yogurt bar despite having memberships to the best downtown clubs. "Fun' is an unknown word to the Thomsons. There is, undoubtedly, a clearly defined profit threshold below which Thomson will in no way retain his ownership position. And that threshold will be much higher than "break even".
 

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Technically, seats in the lower bowl where you can get hit in the face with a puck, should be considered nosebleed seats. :nod:
Years ago when Sharks were in town, a kid got hit in the face with a puck - he started bleeding immediately. So I hear you! It was such a random play too… I think it was Buff who (horribly) cleared the puck from corner of ice and the kid was sitting near center ice behind team bench. And not long after, Tomas Hertl got hit with puck in face while he was sitting on bench. I was sitting close to both plays… definitely made me pay close attention to where the puck was at all times after that.
 

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Years ago when Sharks were in town, a kid got hit in the face with a puck - he started bleeding immediately. So I hear you! It was such a random play too… I think it was Buff who (horribly) cleared the puck from corner of ice and the kid was sitting near center ice behind team bench. And not long after, Tomas Hertl got hit with puck in face while he was sitting on bench. I was sitting close to both plays… definitely made me pay close attention to where the puck was at all times after that.
I was at the first ever regular season game against Montreal, had just got to my seat during warmups and was facing away from the ice putting my coat on the seat and WHACK, right in the back of the head. Different game, took one on the knee. Once that puck heads skyward, I just can't track it for the life of me.

After 4 years in the "shooting gallery", I was more than happy to migrate up to a nice safe loge seat.
 

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So join the advisory committee and push to have the mesh all the way around the rink. :naughty:

I get what you guys are saying though... people actually pay more to get hit by a puck.
I've never understood why they don't do this. I've watched a game through the mesh, and it didn't affect my view in the slightest.
 

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I've never understood why they don't do this. I've watched a game through the mesh, and it didn't affect my view in the slightest.

Remember the old days at Winnipeg Arena with the low glass and no mesh?

Sitting in the low north end seats behind the net always made me nervous. It was pretty treacherous. That little section above the shot clock (by the 7-Up signs). I wonder how many people were hurt sitting there...

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The Jets had a very good run with high demand in the form of season tickets contracts for the first decade. This is the beginning of a new era for TNSE where they are going to have to grind out ticket sales like 90% of the other NHL teams. I think David Thomson’s quote about utimatley this will come down to the will of the fans to support the team is finally relevant. Not sure what Thomson or Chipman’s appitite will be to eat losses if they get too high? Running any business is tough and TNSE have made their fair share of mistakes. Hopefully they learn and grow. I will try to get out to about 8-10 games most seasons to keep supporting the NHL in Winnipeg.

I don't think either Chipman or Thomson have any appetite for eating losses. They should be able to handle some ups and downs - as long as the ups cancel the downs. But rich owners doesn't imply a willingness to lose money on the investment. I don't believe the Jets are a hobby for either of them.

STH complaining to their reps doesn't appear to have been a very effective line of communication. I think this advisory council will be better. It is a positive effort to recognize that there are customer satisfaction issues.

Edit: They can take year over year operating losses and still be making money if the market value of the franchise is going up.
 
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Remember the old days at Winnipeg Arena with the low glass and no mesh?

Sitting in the low north end seats behind the net always made me nervous. It was pretty treacherous. That little section above the shot clock (by the 7-Up signs). I wonder how many people were hurt sitting there...

an-interior-general-view-of-the-winnipeg-arena-during-the-los-angeles-picture-id121581653

That's not low glass.... this is low glass....the refs are taller than the glass on the sides.

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The Thomsons do not "eat losses". Everything - and that cannot be stressed enough - they do and did was and is for profit - lots of it. His dad (who famously said he'd walk a block to save a dime) ate at a nearby yogurt bar despite having memberships to the best downtown clubs. "Fun' is an unknown word to the Thomsons. There is, undoubtedly, a clearly defined profit threshold below which Thomson will in no way retain his ownership position. And that threshold will be much higher than "break even".

Not sure exactly where the line is. It will depend on how much he would expect to make on that money if he invested it elsewhere.
 
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Thought about applying, but I sit on enough committees where we discuss and just proceed with whatever the chair wanted in the first place to bother with another.

Sorry, this feels like lipstick on a pig to me. Appearance for the sake of trying to do something. In many respects, I honestly don't think the fans should have a say.

I know one of the ticket reps personally now. He used to swim in our pool. Much of the "complaints" that come his way are "fire Maurice", "trade Wheeler", etc. There are only three reps in total at any given time so that said, I'm not surprised the actual return rate of messaging is incredibly low. That's not a defense of them because I agree, the service has been atrocious over the years and I've had my share of stories and gripes (predominantly related to seat relocation) but just an acknowledgement of why it may be so bad. That is on TNSE 100% though.

I will say if I got on there the first thing I'd suggest is they stop undercutting the price for tickets they are selling in the same section as a STH may have their tickets up for. I sometimes look for seats to additional games and the ones from TNSE are cheaper than what an already bought and paid for seat will be, especially as you get closer to game time. We rarely sell tickets out of our group so it doesn't affect us, but that's a brutal practice.

What can the committee actually accomplish? What are the usual gripes:

Concessions are too expensive (and the STH discount is comical) - don't see this being addressed.

STH discount for merch is sort of laughable, less so now but for much of the wait list era those on the wait list got the same discount as STH - 15%. So my $10K/year is worth the same as the annual wait list fee?

STH gift - pretty sure this is up on the webpage still - I'm still waiting on mine and guess what - no response from my ticket rep to the inquiry. Not that I really wanted another luggage tag or something equally cheap but if you're going to put it up there, deliver. Other teams give out a jersey, or cap or something else more substantial, we got an empty promise

Improve the lineups? Not possible with that concourse.

Any of that going to change? I don't see it really. But I admit to being weird. All I want from my team is some 'give a damn' in their play, rewarding effort, not rewarding poor play. I pay too much money to watch millionaires "quit" on defense (honestly Scheifele I should never have to watch you go to the bench when the other team is heading into our zone) or only have half a dozen guys show some heart in a game. My season ticket renewal hinges on the effort the team puts forth. That will be tied to the coach and the impact he has on the room. I know the Connor, Ehlers, Morrisey, Dubois of the team will show up, but I need to see more of that from the other 2/3 of the team.

In game entertainment? Yeah, that could be done somehow. What though? Winnipeg is pretty conservative (not speaking politically) and you sort of have a dichotomy of fans - mostly boomers but a solid chunk younger. To be fair I actually think they do a decent mix on the music side. I'm not even sure I want more entertainment, I don't need to be Vegas (f*ck Vegas) or Nashville (can we get more banners?).

But we're too nostalgic it seems for a new mascot (not convinced they'd get it right but Mr. M. Moose was fine for the first year. after that c'mon.) Benny is a nice nod to the OG. Maybe it's just better to not try, cuz we ain't gettin' no Gritty.
 

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I’d like to see more transportation options to games. Want me to buy beer at the game? I won’t if I’m driving.

Don’t the Bombers have a bunch of park n ride options? And there’s some restaurants who offer transportation. I know people in Stonewall pay $10 return to take a bus to the game. Why can’t we have that in areas of Winnipeg… T-cona, NK, St James, etc.
 

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Not sure exactly where the line is. It will depend on how much he would expect to make on that money if he invested it elsewhere.
It's not hard to figure out. Just look at the evolution of their business portfolio. When I worked for them they were losing interest in their newspapers as some of them were "only" making circa 10% (they had at least one that generated 70% - yes, 70%). Shortly after I left they exited papers almost completely. They've always been extremely "shrewd" (though some might say "greedy").
 
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Jets are leaving for Houston if Chipman and Thomson don't open their wallets. You could see this a mile away now.
 

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The Jets had a very good run with high demand in the form of season tickets contracts for the first decade. This is the beginning of a new era for TNSE where they are going to have to grind out ticket sales like 90% of the other NHL teams. I think David Thomson’s quote about utimatley this will come down to the will of the fans to support the team is finally relevant. Not sure what Thomson or Chipman’s appitite will be to eat losses if they get too high? Running any business is tough and TNSE have made their fair share of mistakes. Hopefully they learn and grow. I will try to get out to about 8-10 games most seasons to keep supporting the NHL in Winnipeg.
They should be fine for losses for awhile but they won't want their equity to disappear like Winnipeg Enterprise losses just to support large losses for 5-10 years. They would try to move the team fairly quickly.
 

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That's how economies go to hell. Everybody wants their 10%.

Not at all. But it is how investors evaluate their investments.

I can leave my 10 mil where it is, making 5%/yr, or I can put it in this other place making 15%/yr. Making just any old return on investment is not enough. They look for the best ROI they can find.

If the Jets are a fun investment for Thomson, he might accept something less than the absolute best return he could get for that money. As long as he is not taking serial losses and he can fall back on the appreciation of the asset. I don't believe he is willing to accept losing money on the Jets. That is not the way his family became filthy rich. He is not trying to do any favours for the hockey fans of Winnipeg.
 

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