Prospect Info: Jets Prospects

[howkie]

I wounder if Jets ever thought about Cole Hutson, he was the clear choice when Jets picked, but he is an american Collage-player Jets just did not wanna risk it? Hopefully Freij develops to a decent 2 way d-man with some offensive quality =)

 

[AtomicJets]

I wounder if Jets ever thought about Cole Hutson, he was the clear choice when Jets picked, but he is an american Collage-player Jets just did not wanna risk it? Hopefully Freij develops to a decent 2 way d-man with some offensive quality =)

Was he the clear choice? That's debatable. Most, if not all, pre-draft rankings bad him quite a bit lower than Freij. I think Hutson is a hell of a player and would have been a fine pick, but at the time that's not really how things were looking. Now, I think just based on Lane's early success, he probably would have gone earlier. They're very similar players and had all the same concerns - lack of size and physicality, defensive play. But offensively he will probably be very successful.

I'd say Freij brings a more well-rounded game. Excellent skater, strong defensive game, average size. Time will tell, though.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Let Pionk walk let the kids play.

 

[Huffer]

I don't really understand the rankings. Is it by ceiling or likelihood to make the NHL or what? How can I compare Kevin He to Elias Salomonsson to Dom DiVincentiis?

Everyone does it different. For me, I go through the list and ask myself, if you could only keep 1 prospect who would it be? And then at 2 the same thing, you can only keep 1 more prospect, who will it be?

That makes me have to think about everything, potential upside, likelihood to reach it, and even positional need.

 

[Huffer]

This top 10 discussion has been great.

I know it's the homer in me talking, but I see things I like in all the top 10 (everyone seems to share the same 10).

Besides a few guys, I feel like I could convince myself of 100 different rankings.

 

[ps241]

1 - Chibrikov--NHL ready, high floor, lower ceiling
2 - Salomonsson--high ceiling (top pair) and floor (bottom4), but either way will play in the NHL
3 -Yager-Bryan Little potential, a year or two away
4 -Walton--trajectory is impressive, good size, needs to keep it up next season
5- Lambert--lots of sizzle, but not yet convinced he is the real thing
6 - Frej-haven't seen much but looks like a very solid top-4D prospect
7-He -He has to make it, for so many reasons other than hockey
8- Lucius--tall hill to climb, despite his talent
9-DiVincentiis-Voodoo, why not?
10-Barlow-Almost didn't make the list. A long shot, as opposed to a hard shot, IMO

Seems like a good review to quote. I won't quibble with how they rank from 1-10 because its pretty hard to predict how they will grow.

Overall its not a bad group and not a great group of prospects. We are missing one really high end piece. My guess is this group finishes around 18-20 in the Athletic prospect poll (not that they have a crystal ball). Captain obvious but its really going to come down to how they grow and it always does. Do we hit on one or two long shots??

That being said:

Chibby: I agree with your assessment. If we are lucky we get a Perreault/Tanev highbred. like his compete.

Salomonsson: I agree with the ceiling but I am not ready to call his floor as high as top 4.

Yager: I don't really know how its going to turn out? Like the kid, like that he is a centre. He has put up respectable numbers. We would be lucky if we get a Little type out of him (Loved Little's game).

Walton has had an outstanding start to his draft +1 season and right up there with one of the best since 2016 or 2017. He is on a short list just behind Laine, Connor, and Ehlers (maybe Morrissey) of best D+ 1 seasons by Jets draft picks. This is the type of draft pick that can salvage a pool if he hits (top 6 centre) but I will need to see him stay at this level for longer and even then its a real long shot. (Edit Yager had a very good D+1 season but he was also on a stacked team).

Lambert. Love his skating but like you I am not convinced he has what it takes to play in the top 6.

Frej: haven't watched enough of him

He: love the kid but if we get lucky he plays bottom six

Lucius: has the talent but he just can't stay healthy. IMO Chaz Could have been an NHL'er if he didn't have health issues.

DiVinci: I give up predicting goalies

Barlow: easily the biggest disappointment for me so far on this list. I didn't mind the draft pick but he has been following the Lukas Sutter trajectory. Never too late but I doubt he makes the NHL.

 

[Jets]

I've said it during pre season before and his December call-up and I'll say it again. Chibrikov is an NHL player.

Should be in the N full time after the trade deadline. We'll see what actually happens though.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Seems like a good review to quote. I won't quibble with how they rank from 1-10 because its pretty hard to predict how they will grow.

Overall its not a bad group and not a great group of prospects. We are missing one really high end piece. My guess is this group finishes around 18-20 in the Athletic prospect poll (not that they have a crystal ball). Captain obvious but its really going to come down to how they grow and it always does. Do we hit on one or two long shots??

That being said:

Chibby: I agree with your assessment. If we are lucky we get a Perreault/Tanev highbred. like his compete.

Salomonsson: I agree with the ceiling but I am not ready to call his floor as high as top 4.

Yager: I don't really know how its going to turn out? Like the kid, like that he is a centre. He has put up respectable numbers. We would be lucky if we get a Little type out of him (Loved Little's game).

Walton has had an outstanding start to his draft +1 season and right up there with one of the best since 2016 or 2017. He is on a short list just behind Laine, Connor, and Ehlers (maybe Morrissey) of best D+ 1 seasons by Jets draft picks. This is the type of draft pick that can salvage a pool if he hits (top 6 centre) but I will need to see him stay at this level for longer. (Edit Yager had a very good D+1 season but he was also on a stacked team).

Lambert. Love his skating but like you I am not convinced he has what it takes to play in the top 6.

Frej: haven't watched enough of him

He: love the kid but if we get lucky he plays bottom six

Lucius: has the talent but he just can't stay healthy. IMO Chaz Could have been an NHL'er if he didn't have health issues.

DiVinci: I give up predicting goalies

Barlow: easily the biggest disappointment for me so far on this list. I didn't mind the draft pick but he has been following the Lukas Sutter trajectory. Never too late but I doubt he makes the NHL.

Not for nothing but Lukas Sutter never had 2 40 goal seasons and probably a 3rd one this year

 

[flin flon bombers]

I wonder if walton and he both get drafted if we hadn't had some Americans jumping ship,how much does that effect them in there decision making,the Jets have drafted a truck load out of usa hockey.

 

[Gm0ney]

The season's not over but ranking Jets prospects' D+1 seasons over the recent past by NHLe points/game:

1. Lambert 0.451
2. Chibrikov 0.306
3. Perfetti 0.301
4. Walton 0.255*
5. Yager 0.235
6. Heinola 0.218
7. He 0.199*
8. Rashevsky 0.173
9. Barlow 0.167
10. Lucius 0.154

* D+1 season not yet complete

I seem to have miscalculated Lambert's D+1. He's a 0.168 NHLe not 0.451. So Chibrikov's #1 and Lambert is 8th.

 

[Aggie204]

I wonder if walton and he both get drafted if we hadn't had some Americans jumping ship,how much does that effect them in there decision making,the Jets have drafted a truck load out of usa hockey.

IIRC the organization placed more resources in scouting the CHL last year, I don't remember the source or where I heard that. My sneaking suspicion is yes to your question.

 

[flin flon bombers]

Watching the Sudbury vs Kingston game,walton sure has fast hands.only thing I would like to see is him leaning into guys more often.and the scrum after his pp goal he waded away while others got involved.if he could add some bite to his game it would really help moving up the ranks.but it is not a natural instinct for him.

 

[AtomicJets]

Not for nothing but Lukas Sutter never had 2 40 goal seasons and probably a 3rd one this year

Yeah they're not remotely similar players, on the ice or statistically, and their path is not close to being similar either. Very strange comment.

 

[ps241]

Not for nothing but Lukas Sutter never had 2 40 goal seasons and probably a 3rd one this year

There talent level is vastly different. I am talking about did they grow from their draft year or not. I was being a bit cheeky with Sutter since he turned into a party hound after his draft and Colby seems like a good kid. The problem is Colby's trajectory.

Draft GP 59 G 49 Pts 79 (great draft season)
Draft +1 GP 50 G 40 Pts 58
Draft +3 GP 38 G 21 Pts 34

He should be dominating the OHL this season based on his draft year and if anything he might be regressing. Great that he can score goals but at this point he is the definition of a one trick pony.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

There talent level is vastly different. I am talking about did they grow from their draft year or not. I was being a bit cheeky with Sutter since he turned into a party hound after his draft and Colby seems like a good kid. The problem is Colby's trajectory.

Draft GP 59 G 49 Pts 79 (great draft season)
Draft +1 GP 50 G 40 Pts 58
Draft +3 GP 38 G 21 Pts 34

He should be dominating the OHL this season based on his draft year and if anything he might be regressing. Great that he can score goals but at this point he is the definition of a one trick pony.

I would like to see Barlow develop like Nino has

 

[flin flon bombers]

I would like to see Barlow develop like Nino has

I wouldn't say he is a one trick pony but he doesn't have a well rounded game,but besides his shot he is above average passer,he doesn't try to stick check he uses his body to separate you from the Puck,if his team mate is in trouble he's there,in tight against the goalie he has demonstrated the strength to hold off the d and get the puck up,reminds me a bit of paul mclean,but ya he has a long way to go,he has things in his game walton doesn't.now you want a bryan trottier go get Carter bear.

 

[Gm0ney]

There talent level is vastly different. I am talking about did they grow from their draft year or not. I was being a bit cheeky with Sutter since he turned into a party hound after his draft and Colby seems like a good kid. The problem is Colby's trajectory.

Draft GP 59 G 49 Pts 79 (great draft season)
Draft +1 GP 50 G 40 Pts 58
Draft +3 GP 38 G 21 Pts 34

He should be dominating the OHL this season based on his draft year and if anything he might be regressing. Great that he can score goals but at this point he is the definition of a one trick pony.

Even the goal scoring isn't that impressive. There are lots of guys who score in the OHL. His goal scoring isn't really improving either. I think you have him with too many goals in his D+0 year. I see him with 43 in 59 games, plus 3 in 4 in the playoffs that year. So 46/63 = 0.73 goals/game. Then 0.80 in his D+1. But only 0.55 so far this year.

If he's got this preternatural NHL-ready shot he should be dominating, as you say. He's never led in goals or goals/game in any season, he does a lot of it on the powerplay, and he doesn't seem to rack up many assists.

Just statistical red flags. We'll see how it goes...

 

[ps241]

Even the goal scoring isn't that impressive. There are lots of guys who score in the OHL. His goal scoring isn't really improving either. I think you have him with too many goals in his D+0 year. I see him with 43 in 59 games, plus 3 in 4 in the playoffs that year. So 46/63 = 0.73 goals/game. Then 0.80 in his D+1. But only 0.55 so far this year.

If he's got this preternatural NHL-ready shot he should be dominating, as you say. He's never led in goals or goals/game in any season, he does a lot of it on the powerplay, and he doesn't seem to rack up many assists.

Just statistical red flags. We'll see how it goes...

If he’s a Jets prospect I am cheering for him but I have been really disappointed in his post draft play.

 

[Gm0ney]

If he’s a Jets prospect I am cheering for him but I have been really disappointed in his post draft play.

Maybe he's also giving a "peaked early" vibe because he looks old enough to be Ville Heinola's father...

 

[flin flon bombers]

Is chaz the next adrian foster,I can't see any way he becomes serviceable,I think it will be perennial almost.

 

[AtomicJets]

Is chaz the next adrian foster,I can't see any way he becomes serviceable,I think it will be perennial almost.

This year is huge for him. He's just gotta get healthy and stay healthy. I think he's absolutely an NHL player (eventually) if he can stay healthy the rest of this season and through the off-season. Hoping for the best for him.

 

[RabidOne]

Seems like a good review to quote. I won't quibble with how they rank from 1-10 because its pretty hard to predict how they will grow.

Overall its not a bad group and not a great group of prospects. We are missing one really high end piece. My guess is this group finishes around 18-20 in the Athletic prospect poll (not that they have a crystal ball). Captain obvious but its really going to come down to how they grow and it always does. Do we hit on one or two long shots??

That being said:

Chibby: I agree with your assessment. If we are lucky we get a Perreault/Tanev highbred. like his compete.

Salomonsson: I agree with the ceiling but I am not ready to call his floor as high as top 4.

Yager: I don't really know how its going to turn out? Like the kid, like that he is a centre. He has put up respectable numbers. We would be lucky if we get a Little type out of him (Loved Little's game).

Walton has had an outstanding start to his draft +1 season and right up there with one of the best since 2016 or 2017. He is on a short list just behind Laine, Connor, and Ehlers (maybe Morrissey) of best D+ 1 seasons by Jets draft picks. This is the type of draft pick that can salvage a pool if he hits (top 6 centre) but I will need to see him stay at this level for longer and even then its a real long shot. (Edit Yager had a very good D+1 season but he was also on a stacked team).

Lambert. Love his skating but like you I am not convinced he has what it takes to play in the top 6.

Frej: haven't watched enough of him

He: love the kid but if we get lucky he plays bottom six

Lucius: has the talent but he just can't stay healthy. IMO Chaz Could have been an NHL'er if he didn't have health issues.

DiVinci: I give up predicting goalies

Barlow: easily the biggest disappointment for me so far on this list. I didn't mind the draft pick but he has been following the Lukas Sutter trajectory. Never too late but I doubt he makes the NHL.

I have no idea if Barlow will ever play in the NHL, but to compare him to Sutter is way off.
Barlow has 34 points in 38 games so far.
Sutter finished his D+1 with 23 points in 72 games.

 

[ps241]

I have no idea if Barlow will ever play in the NHL, but to compare him to Sutter is way off.
Barlow has 34 points in 38 games so far.
Sutter finished his D+1 with 23 points in 72 games.

Sutter flamed out the moment he was drafted for off ice reasons. He is the poster boy of a Jet who didn’t develop. I was using an extreme example of a guy not progressing to highlight how Barlow has not got things going yet. Of course he isn’t as bad as Sutter but up to this point I can’t think of a forward drafted that high by the Jets who has had a more disappointing start.

 

[RabidOne]

Sutter flamed out the moment he was drafted for off ice reasons. He is the poster boy of a Jet who didn’t develop. I was using an extreme example of a guy not progressing to highlight how Barlow has not got things going yet. Of course he isn’t as bad as Sutter but up to this point I can’t think of a forward drafted that high by the Jets who has had a more disappointing start.

Kristian Vesalainen?