Prospect Info: Jets Prospects

[Huffer]

The stats don't lie. He's been terrific. Last year, as a draft eligible player, my biggest concern was physical engagement...especially considering his size. That intensity wasn't there consistently and it concerned me. And it concerned scouts too; it was the reason he fell to the 6th round. Quite frankly, there was a lot of concern that he'd never develop that killer instinct because the same knocks were being held against him in his U16 and U17 years.

But this year, it's like the lightbulb finally went on. I wouldn't call him a power forward, but he's been way more active in puck pursuit. Way more determined to play through high traffic areas. He looks to have upgraded his strength as he's become more difficult to knock off the puck. That has lead to this breakout because the skill was never truly questioned.

Moving forward, it will be about continuing to upgrade his strength, continuing to make his physical intensity more consistent, and finding a way to upgrade his overall skating profile (especially balance/edgework given his big frame).

Thanks Brock for this summary!

 

[ps241]

The stats don't lie. He's been terrific. Last year, as a draft eligible player, my biggest concern was physical engagement...especially considering his size. That intensity wasn't there consistently and it concerned me. And it concerned scouts too; it was the reason he fell to the 6th round. Quite frankly, there was a lot of concern that he'd never develop that killer instinct because the same knocks were being held against him in his U16 and U17 years.

But this year, it's like the lightbulb finally went on. I wouldn't call him a power forward, but he's been way more active in puck pursuit. Way more determined to play through high traffic areas. He looks to have upgraded his strength as he's become more difficult to knock off the puck. That has lead to this breakout because the skill was never truly questioned.

Moving forward, it will be about continuing to upgrade his strength, continuing to make his physical intensity more consistent, and finding a way to upgrade his overall skating profile (especially balance/edgework given his big frame).

Thanks for the updated review Brock.

I know when I analyze size as a potential asset there are layers I look at. First off does the prospect use the size by initiating contact (assertive). The gold standard for this is players like a prime Cam Neely, or the current Tkachuk brothers. That is usually a pretty special breed and there are not many of those types around. Its a very tough game to play.

Most people think about size as delivering hits/punishment but I think that is a bit overrated, for me its more about driving to dirty areas, winning board battles, possibly over powering smaller players. Gabe Vilardi comes to mind as a player without a mean bone in his body, rarely if ever throws a hit, but he is highly effective at using his size and skill to win board battles and play effectively around the net. Draisaitl when he was in junior in his draft year was not a good skater at all, but he was a really big body and he very effectively used his size to post up (Basketball term) and shield guys from the puck. Like Jumbo Joe they would just stick out their ass and play keep away from defenders and make plays setting people up.

On the flip side there are players like Dylan Strome who were drafted as talented "big" centers and especially early in his career I don't think he ever figured out how to use his size. Seems like he is doing a bit better in Washington now.

Size has to have some kind of function or its just a waist and its up each big prospect to discover how to exploit that asset. I hope Walton has the desire to become one of the guys that weaponizes his advantage.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Thanks for the updated review Brock.

I know when I analyze size as a potential asset there are layers I look at. First off does the prospect use the size by initiating contact (assertive). The gold standard for this is players like a prime Cam Neely, or the current Tkachuk brothers. That is usually a pretty special breed and there are not many of those types around. Its a very tough game to play.

Most people think about size as delivering hits/punishment but I think that is a bit overrated, for me its more about driving to dirty areas, winning board battles, possibly over powering smaller players. Gabe Vilardi comes to mind as a player without a mean bone in his body, rarely if ever throws a hit, but he is highly effective at using his size and skill to win board battles and play effectively around the net. Draisaitl when he was in junior in his draft year was not a good skater at all, but he was a really big body and he very effectively used his size to post up (Basketball term) and shield guys from the puck. Like Jumbo Joe they would just stick out their ass and play keep away from defenders and make plays setting people up.

On the flip side there are players like Dylan Strome who were drafted as talented "big" centers and especially early in his career I don't think he ever figured out how to use his size. Seems like he is doing a bit better in Washington now.

Size has to have some kind of function or its just a waist and its up each big prospect to discover how to exploit that asset. I hope Walton has the desire to become one of the guys that weaponizes his advantage.

So you’re saying after careful review / analysis - and against conventual wisdom

“ That size does in fact matter”.

 

[ps241]

So you’re saying after careful review / analysis - and against conventual wisdom

“ That size does in fact matter”.

"Gots" to use it

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm guessing that maybe in the Chinese hockey world

Outside of that, probably doesn't register

Interesting story... When I was going to college, the Mexican National Junior team came to play us in an exhibition game. We approached local Spanish radio stations to promote the game and they said that they don't have a word for "hockey"

Then the Spanish word for hockey is hockey.

 

[JetsFan815]

I wonder when Walton signing is coming? He should be in the same boat as He as the Jets wanting to sign him before the end of Dec to slide the ELC.

 

[10Ducky10]

Then the Spanish word for hockey is hockey.

Hielo hockey?

 

[Whileee]

Thanks for the updated review Brock.

I know when I analyze size as a potential asset there are layers I look at. First off does the prospect use the size by initiating contact (assertive). The gold standard for this is players like a prime Cam Neely, or the current Tkachuk brothers. That is usually a pretty special breed and there are not many of those types around. Its a very tough game to play.

Most people think about size as delivering hits/punishment but I think that is a bit overrated, for me its more about driving to dirty areas, winning board battles, possibly over powering smaller players. Gabe Vilardi comes to mind as a player without a mean bone in his body, rarely if ever throws a hit, but he is highly effective at using his size and skill to win board battles and play effectively around the net. Draisaitl when he was in junior in his draft year was not a good skater at all, but he was a really big body and he very effectively used his size to post up (Basketball term) and shield guys from the puck. Like Jumbo Joe they would just stick out their ass and play keep away from defenders and make plays setting people up.

On the flip side there are players like Dylan Strome who were drafted as talented "big" centers and especially early in his career I don't think he ever figured out how to use his size. Seems like he is doing a bit better in Washington now.

Size has to have some kind of function or its just a waist and its up each big prospect to discover how to exploit that asset. I hope Walton has the desire to become one of the guys that weaponizes his advantage.

Agree. I doubt that Walton has the demeanor to play a "Tkachuk" style, but if he can get engaged the way Vilardi does that would be just fine. Vilardi is very stable on his feet, and I'm not sure Walton will get to that level.

Another Jets' player that plays physically enough along the boards etc. is Perfetti, despite a lack of size or physical aggression. He's effective because he has very consistent effort when he doesn't have the puck, and wins a lot of board battles against larger opponents.

For Walton, I think the main question will remain about his commitment to become a good NHLer. It will take lots of work on his strength and skating, along with very consistent work ethic in games. If he does both of those, he could be a dandy.

I wonder whether his experience in the Jets' camps (Development and Training) might have lit a spark with him. He likely had his NHL aspirations triggered, and recognized what it would take to make it to the NHL.

 

[Huffer]

Yager named Captain

 

[SUX2BU]

Not sure where to post this, but our guy is team captain

 

[ello]

Not sure where to post this, but our guy is team captain

Jesus is Ritchie like 6'4 now

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Good for Brayden!

Is McGroarty not eligible for the USA team?

2025 U.S. National Junior Team

teamusa.usahockey.com

 

[Romang67]

Good for Brayden!

Is McGroarty not eligible for the USA team?

2025 U.S. National Junior Team

teamusa.usahockey.com

No, he's too old. He's an AHL player now.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Agree. I doubt that Walton has the demeanor to play a "Tkachuk" style, but if he can get engaged the way Vilardi does that would be just fine. Vilardi is very stable on his feet, and I'm not sure Walton will get to that level.

Another Jets' player that plays physically enough along the boards etc. is Perfetti, despite a lack of size or physical aggression. He's effective because he has very consistent effort when he doesn't have the puck, and wins a lot of board battles against larger opponents.

For Walton, I think the main question will remain about his commitment to become a good NHLer. It will take lots of work on his strength and skating, along with very consistent work ethic in games. If he does both of those, he could be a dandy.

I wonder whether his experience in the Jets' camps (Development and Training) might have lit a spark with him. He likely had his NHL aspirations triggered, and recognized what it would take to make it to the NHL.

Tyler Myers’s was quite soft but got surely as he aged. Might be a good comparable.

 

[SLAYER]

Is McGroarty not eligible for the USA team?

No, he is already 20 (born '04).

 

[BoneDocUK]

Great to see Yager getting the C.

Some notable previous Team Camada Junior caps since 2005/ A Random Year generated by the limits of my phone screen -- they ain't all HoFers but most have carved out solid NHL careers:

• 2005 Mike Richards
• 2006 Kyle Chipchura
• 2007 Kris Letang
• 2008 Karl Alzner
• 2009 Thomas Hickey
• 2010 Patrice Cormier
• 2011 Ryan Ellis
• 2012 Jaden Schwartz
• 2013 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
• 2014 Scott Laughton
• 2015 Curtis Lazar
• 2016 Brayden Point
• 2017 Dylan Strome
• 2018 Dillon Dubé
• 2020 Barrett Hayton
• 2021 Kirby Dach*, Dylan Cozens and Bowen Byram
• 2022 Kaiden Guhle (winter), Mason McTavish (summer)
• 2023 Shane Wright
• 2024 Fraser Minten

Congrats to the Meister!

 

[SLAYER]

Some notable previous Team Camada Junior caps since 2005/ A Random Year generated by the limits of my phone screen -- they ain't all HoFers but most have carved out solid NHL careers:

Since he will forever be compared to McG, here is a list of all the previous Team USA captains since '05:

2004-2005	Ryan Suter
2005-2006	Kevin Porter
2006-2007	Taylor Chorney
2007-2008	Brian Strait
2008-2009	Jonathon Blum
2009-2010	Derek Stepan
2010-2011	John Ramage
2011-2012	Jason Zucker
2012-2013	Jake McCabe
2013-2014	Riley Barber
2014-2015	Jack Eichel
2015-2016	Zach Werenski
2016-2017	Luke Kunin
2017-2018	Joey Anderson
2018-2019	Mikey Anderson
2019-2020	Mattias Samuelsson
2020-2021	Cam York
2021-2022	Brock Faber
2022-2023	Luke Hughes
2023-2024	Rutger McGroarty

 

[Buffdog]

Yager is in good company. McG, much less so lol

 

[kylbaz]

Yager is in good company. McG, much less so lol

Can't really compare earlier USA hockey to how far they've come over the past decade or so. Compare over the past ten years and talent level probably isn't too far off between those two lists.

 

[Shlep]

How the hell is Yager not on either powerplay unit?

 

[AtomicJets]

How the hell is Yager not on either powerplay unit?

Where did you see that?

 

[TommyKillian]

Not sure where to post this, but our guy is team captain

Crazy that both guys wearing As (including others on this team) were on the board when we picked Barlow. I hate belabouring it... but Damn.

 

[Shlep]

Where did you see that?

 

[BoneDocUK]

Crazy that both guys wearing As (including others on this team) were on the board when we picked Barlow. I hate belabouring it... but Damn.

Ritchie might have been a nice add for sure (I don't know much about Molendyk).

 

[SLAYER]

Stats are definitely closer in the last 10 years vs the previous 10. Canada still leads all basic stats except for +/-.



'05-'14:

CANADA	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	P/GP
Mike Richards	749​	181​	306​	487​	16​	585​	0.65​
Kyle Chipchura	482​	31​	73​	104​	-45​	376​	0.22​
Kris Letang	1,117​	173​	584​	757​	86​	769​	0.68​
Karl Alzner	686​	20​	110​	130​	54​	219​	0.19​
Thomas Hickey	456​	22​	95​	117​	37​	190​	0.26​
Patrice Cormier	52​	1​	4​	5​	-5​	18​	0.1​
Ryan Ellis	566​	76​	199​	275​	116​	189​	0.49​
Jaden Schwartz	763​	204​	293​	497​	28​	227​	0.65​
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	912​	257​	459​	716​	-20​	318​	0.79​
Scott Laughton	633​	102​	151​	253​	-35​	373​	0.4​
TOTAL	6416​	1067​	2274​	3341​	232​	3264​

USA	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	P/GP
Ryan Suter	1,477​	106​	582​	688​	115​	775​	0.47​
Kevin Porter	249​	29​	29​	58​	-27​	60​	0.23​
Taylor Chorney	166​	4​	18​	22​	-6​	56​	0.13​
Brian Strait	187​	6​	23​	29​	-14​	91​	0.16​
Jonathon Blum	110​	7​	17​	24​	-11​	22​	0.22​
Derek Stepan	890​	182​	333​	515​	98​	216​	0.58​
John Ramage	2​	0​	0​	0​	-3​	0​	0​
Jason Zucker	729​	204​	187​	391​	-2​	366​	0.54​
Jake McCabe	604​	33​	126​	159​	-7​	369​	0.26​
Riley Barber	16​	0​	0​	0​	-3​	4​	0​
TOTAL	4430​	571​	1315​	1886​	140​	1959​

'15 - '24:

CANADA	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	P/GP
Curtis Lazar	537​	46​	76​	122​	-25​	159​	0.23​
Brayden Point	605​	285​	305​	590​	66​	144​	0.98​
Dylan Strome	467​	128​	212​	340​	-32​	142​	0.73​
Dillon Dubé	325​	57​	70​	127​	-17​	105​	0.39​
Maxime Comtois	211​	38​	49​	87​	-35​	193​	0.41​
Barrett Hayton	240​	40​	57​	97​	-20​	104​	0.4​
Kirby Dach	243​	35​	73​	108​	-44​	136​	0.44​
Mason McTavish	177​	41​	59​	100​	-47​	148​	0.56​
Shane Wright	46​	12​	9​	21​	6​	12​	0.46​
Fraser Minten	15​	2​	2​	4​	0​	2​	0.27​
TOTAL	2866​	684​	912​	1596​	-148​	1145​

USA	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	P/GP
Jack Eichel	570​	220​	336​	556​	-25​	191​	0.98​
Zach Werenski	518​	100​	233​	333​	-2​	132​	0.64​
Luke Kunin	393​	70​	66​	136​	-77​	359​	0.35​
Joey Anderson	166​	19​	21​	40​	-9​	18​	0.24​
Mikey Anderson	99​	15​	53​	68​	62​	112​	0.23​
Mattias Samuelsson	167​	4​	27​	31​	-4​	70​	0.18​
Cam York	188​	18​	47​	65​	-32​	80​	0.35​
Brock Faber	116​	11​	53​	64​	13​	35​	0.55​
Luke Hughes	109​	11​	49​	60​	-24​	34​	0.55​
Rutger McGroarty	3​	0​	0​	0​	-1​	0​	0​
TOTAL	2329​	468​	885​	1353​	-99​	1031​