Injury Report: Jets health in the playoffs

[Gm0ney]

Isn't that a small sample size compared to total games Ehlers has missed?

Ehlers has played in 84% of regular season Jets games since entering the league (656/783), and he's played in 82% of Jets playoff games since entering the league (37/45).

According to this study of injuries across 3 NHL seasons, the average player missed 11% of the regular season due to injury. So any given player would be expected to be healthy enough to play in 89% of regular season games. Ehlers is at 84% over his career. So, injured more than average, yes...but not by a lot.

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[Adam da bomb]

Ehlers has played in 84% of regular season Jets games since entering the league (656/783), and he's played in 82% of Jets playoff games since entering the league (37/45).

According to this study of injuries across 3 NHL seasons, the average player missed 11% of the regular season due to injury. So any given player would be expected to be healthy enough to play in 89% of regular season games. Ehlers is at 84% over his career. So, injured more than average, yes...but not by a lot.

https://utoronto.scholaris.ca/server/api/core/bitstreams/3f5834c4-655c-497a-866b-686d84698a62/content#:~:text=Within%20the%20three%20season%20time%20period%20analyzed%2C,at%20least%20one%20game%20due%20to%20injury.&text=The%20mean%20number%20of%20games%20missed%20was,the%20regular%20season%20(95%%20CI:%209.8%2C%2011.6).

But a lot more compared to other guys on team like Schief, mo, Connor.

 

[Crocket]

And some of Scheifele's missed games were also due to suspension, not injuries.

I remember that because he still gets booed in Montreal for back checking

 

[Crocket]

But a lot more compared to other guys on team like Schief, mo, Connor.

He played injured against Edmonton. He was not 100 last year or against Vegas

 

[Crocket]

Since Ehlers started playing it's 37 vs 38. So he hasn't missed much playoff time compared to Scheifele.

TOI is a bit different. 600 minutes for Ehlers, 800 for Scheifele over those 37/38 games. But that's because Scheifele's always been on the top line and PP1, not due to injury.

And Scheifele has been great in the playoffs, especially 2018. Ehlers has played injured in many series. Scheifele was suspended against Montreal and injured against Vegas.

Was hoping this was the year Ehlers was mostly healthy for the playoffs.

 

[Gm0ney]

And Scheifele has been great in the playoffs, especially 2018. Ehlers has played injured in many series. Scheifele was suspended against Montreal and injured against Vegas.

Was hoping this was the year Ehlers was mostly healthy for the playoffs.

Schief was injured by Tkachuk during that COVID play-in series as well.

 

[avtarb]

Vilardi will be back

 

[Buffdog]

Ehlers has played in 84% of regular season Jets games since entering the league (656/783), and he's played in 82% of Jets playoff games since entering the league (37/45).

According to this study of injuries across 3 NHL seasons, the average player missed 11% of the regular season due to injury. So any given player would be expected to be healthy enough to play in 89% of regular season games. Ehlers is at 84% over his career. So, injured more than average, yes...but not by a lot.

https://utoronto.scholaris.ca/server/api/core/bitstreams/3f5834c4-655c-497a-866b-686d84698a62/content#:~:text=Within%20the%20three%20season%20time%20period%20analyzed%2C,at%20least%20one%20game%20due%20to%20injury.&text=The%20mean%20number%20of%20games%20missed%20was,the%20regular%20season%20(95%%20CI:%209.8%2C%2011.6).

Interesting read. I found it surprising that half of players didn't miss any time over the period of time the study looked at, to be honest

I'd be curious to see how many of the man-games lost were due to the top 5-10% of the most injured players. LTIR guys would skew that data, I would think

 

[Crocket]

Schief was injured by Tkachuk during that COVID play-in series as well.

Oh yes. The ankle stomp. Almost forgot

 

[surixon]

My guess is management views the second line as Perfetti's line over the next number of years. They will likely target player that best work with him. I think paramount to that is finding a one shot scorer that can find soft ice and likes to play a rotation/cycle offensive game.

So in terms of Nik, do they believe he's a good long term fit with Cole? My guess is that will play a big role in terms of if they bring him back or not.

 

[Weezeric]

My guess is management views the second line as Perfetti's line over the next number of years. They will likely target player that best work with him. I think paramount to that is finding a one shot scorer that can find soft ice and likes to play a rotation/cycle offensive game.

So in terms of Nik, do they believe he's a good long term fit with Cole? My guess is that will play a big role in terms of if they bring him back or not.

That sounds like boesser to me

 

[surixon]

That sounds like boesser to me

Management does seem to like him so I could see them pursuing him.

 

[Daximus]

My guess is management views the second line as Perfetti's line over the next number of years. They will likely target player that best work with him. I think paramount to that is finding a one shot scorer that can find soft ice and likes to play a rotation/cycle offensive game.

So in terms of Nik, do they believe he's a good long term fit with Cole? My guess is that will play a big role in terms of if they bring him back or not.

Yeah I think we need a shooter for Perf and a strong C or W that can work down low in the dirty areas and be net front but also has some speed. I know those don't grow on trees.

Barlow seems like the kind of guy that could be that player but likely needs a couple of years in the A. Yager is also a great one touch shooter but likely also needs at least a year in the A.

I'm not sure what they do in the meantime. Nik is kind of his own force that you would want to try and build around but players that can keep up with him are few and far between.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah I think we need a shooter for Perf and a strong C or W that can work down low in the dirty areas and be net front but also has some speed. I know those don't grow on trees.

Barlow seems like the kind of guy that could be that player but likely needs a couple of years in the A. Yager is also a great one touch shooter but likely also needs at least a year in the A.

I'm not sure what they do in the meantime. Nik is kind of his own force that you would want to try and build around but players that can keep up with him are few and far between.

He is so fast he is like the hare from the tortoise and the hare. He takes time to try and let those slowpoke catch up while he rests in press box.

 

[surixon]

Yeah I think we need a shooter for Perf and a strong C or W that can work down low in the dirty areas and be net front but also has some speed. I know those don't grow on trees.

Barlow seems like the kind of guy that could be that player but likely needs a couple of years in the A. Yager is also a great one touch shooter but likely also needs at least a year in the A.

I'm not sure what they do in the meantime. Nik is kind of his own force that you would want to try and build around but players that can keep up with him are few and far between.

Yeah, you are leading towards where I was going with this. The org is creating a team identity and is pursuing players who fit the mold.

Offensively the org prefers a cycle/rotation based system. That is best seen through our top players in JoMo, Scheifele, and Connor. We have seen this org pursue players like Vilardi/Nino/Iafallo who all fit within this type of offensive scheme. In terms of draft picks Cole, Luscius, McGroarty/Yager, and Barlow also all fit within this type of offensive philosophy. We saw a great example of Cole controlling the game last night playing this way. As someone who has seen 1/3 the Moose games this year the org has been working really hard at getting Lambert's game to fit in this type of scheme. He's looked fantastic the last 10nor so games playing a more direct brand of hockey.

I've said it for a while now but Ehlers for as talented as he is really doesn't mesh philosophically with how the team wants to play offensively.

 

[Jet]

week to week doesn't really sound good at all. I bet Ehlers is out 2 rounds at least. I wouldn't be surprised if he's done for the year.

I didn't believe the reaggrevated foot injury story Arniel told.

I still think he f***ed up his groin again. If that's the case I think we've seen the last of Nik in Winnipeg.

 

[Daximus]

Yeah, you are leading towards where I was going with this. The org is creating a team identity and is pursuing players who fit the mold.

Offensively the org prefers a cycle/rotation based system. That is best scene through our top players in JoMo, Scheifele, and Connor. We have seen this org pursue players like Vilardi/Nino/Iafallo who all fit within this type of offensive scheme. In terms of draft picks Cole, Luscius, McGroarty/Yager, and Barlow also all fit within this type of offensive philosophy. We saw a great example of Cole controlling the game last night playing this way. As someone who has seen 1/3 the Moose games this year the org has been working really hard at getting Lambert's game to fit in this type of scheme. He's looked fantastic the last 10nor so games playing a more direct brand of hockey.

I've said it for a while now but Ehlers for as talented as he is really doesn't mesh philosophically with how the team wants to play offensively.

Yeah it would not surprise me if they let him walk. I think Nik probably fits more into a run and gun style of hockey like Colorado, Tampa or Dallas. This playoffs is going to factor heavily into how the org views him I think. Losing Nik would suck from a fan perspective because I do like him as a player and person but getting a more workhorse type of player on that line could pay higher dividends.

 

[surixon]

Yeah it would not surprise me if they let him walk. I think Nik probably fits more into a run and gun style of hockey like Colorado, Tampa or Dallas. This playoffs is going to factor heavily into how the org views him I think. Losing Nik would suck from a fan perspective because I do like him as a player and person but getting a more workhorse type of player on that line could pay higher dividends.

Agreed. What are your thoughts of trying Cole back at center next year. I think his game is ready for it and it's easier to find wingers on the market then centers.

I'd also miss Fly and his exciting game if he leaves.

 

[Daximus]

Agreed. What are your thoughts of trying Cole back at center next year. I think his game is ready for it and it's easier to find wingers on the market then centers.

I'd also miss Fly and his exciting game if he leaves.

I think the org could try it, the trouble is he is really really bad at faceoffs. Which is only part of the struggle but it's a part that can lead to breakdowns if you can't be at least 40%+. The rest of his game is close though and he should be given a shot I think.

As a weird tangent I wouldn't mind seeing Barron in an elevated role. Solid on the dot, big, feisty, controls the puck well, works hard in the corners, has some speed. He's done alright with limited minutes but I think he could have late breakout potential as a middle 6 C.

If Nik is gone next year I feel like the org should give him a shot between Perfetti and one of the young guns if they can make the team. If not than Nieds or Iafallo on the opposite wing. He has all the hallmarks you want in a 2C outside of the production but with some better linemates he might be able to breakout.

 

[surixon]

I think the org could try it, the trouble is he is really really bad at faceoffs. Which is only part of the struggle but it's a part that can lead to breakdowns if you can't be at least 40%+. The rest of his game is close though and he should be given a shot I think.

As a weird tangent I wouldn't mind seeing Barron in an elevated role. Solid on the dot, big, feisty, controls the puck well, works hard in the corners, has some speed. He's done alright with limited minutes but I think he could have late breakout potential as a middle 6 C.

If Nik is gone next year I feel like the org should give him a shot between Perfetti and one of the young guns if they can make the team. If not than Nieds or Iafallo on the opposite wing. He has all the hallmarks you want in a 2C outside of the production but with some better linemates he might be able to breakout.

I find Barron has far too much tunnel vision to play with skilled players nor do I think he finds the seams well enough. But sure give him a shot. I just find the chances of him being able to do the job at this point in his career slim.

With faceoffs imo it is a skill that can be learned, but you need to actively be having the player working on it. Taking the odd one here and there isn't going to do anything for it. If you want Cole to be a center then have him go into the offseason knowing he's going to do it and have the correct plan in place for improving that aspect to be a focal area of his development.

 

[scelaton]

I didn't believe the reaggrevated foot injury story Arniel told.

I still think he f***ed up his groin again. If that's the case I think we've seen the last of Nik in Winnipeg.

I just looked at the collision again--very weird, but does not look like a groin pull, more like a lower limb re-injury.

As for seeing the last of him in Wpg, that depends more on the team than on Nik. If they make it through the first two series I am still optimistic he could be back. They need him to go all the way.

Iafallo signing his deal yesterday makes me think there is a leverage point for Chevy to make an offer in the next few weeks. Ehlers' market value has dropped in the aftermath of the injury and so that provides an opportunity amidst the disappointment.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah it would not surprise me if they let him walk. I think Nik probably fits more into a run and gun style of hockey like Colorado, Tampa or Dallas. This playoffs is going to factor heavily into how the org views him I think. Losing Nik would suck from a fan perspective because I do like him as a player and person but getting a more workhorse type of player on that line could pay higher dividends.

Everyone likes him and everyone will miss him. But, your last point is also true.

 

[Flair Hay]

That sounds like boesser to me

The Jets will be trying to bring him in for sure

 

[jokesondee]

The Jets will be trying to bring him in for sure

Perfetti feeding Boeser on our 2nd line......

 

[Daximus]

I find Barron has far too much tunnel vision to play with skilled players nor do I think he finds the seams well enough. But sure give him a shot. I just find the chances of him being able to do the job at this point in his career slim.

With faceoffs imo it is a skill that can be learned, but you need to actively be having the player working on it. Taking the odd one here and there isn't going to do anything for it. If you want Cole to be a center then have him go into the offseason knowing he's going to do it and have the correct plan in place for improving that aspect to be a focal area of his development.

I agree in a lot of ways about Barron but I'd still like to see what he could do with some skilled players. We've seen flashes from him that makes me wonder that if he wasn't forced into this dump and chase forecheck style every shift and had some guys like Cole who can read and react a bit better and make some plays that maybe there is something more there.

Faceoffs can be learned but sometimes guys just aren't good at them for whatever reason and if Cole can't take that step into that direction to at least be a 40%+ guy, most probably all coaches aren't going to want them there taking faceoffs full time. He's almost where he needs to be to be a really solid production top 6 player so I think focusing on that is probably the best medicine. It's unfortunate but size is always going to play a factor in being a top 6C, the ones who generally overcome it are phenomenal skaters. I wouldn't want Cole focusing on the wrong things this offseason.