Speculation: Jets - General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation (Part XVIII)

[Huffer]

He is a bit pricey, but the Jet's depth at F is pathetic, esp RW, the position I would like to see him play for now.

Doesn't look like other GM's like the sound of Gagner on the wing though:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/20...not-suited-to-play-the-wall-friedman-reports/

Gagner is just not one of those guys you "want" to add to your roster IMO. He's got decent offense, but it's not elite. He's not good defensively so he can't be put into a defensive role either. The problem is he doesn't put up enough offense to make his one dimensional play worthwhile. There are other forwards out there that can put up the same amount of points and also contribute defensively.

For a Postma or Clitsome type price I would probably take that on just because as you say, our depth is pathetic.

I wouldn't want Gagner at any price higher than that however. Not even close to the type of player I think you win with, and not the type I think that TNSE is going after.

 

[almostawake]

I agree. Frankly I wouldn't be all that upset seeing Postma / Clitsome go, maybe they will work out there.

See, if you think Postma/Clitsome is going to bring the Oilers to the table you're just out of touch. Those guys do nothing for them. Their problem on the back end isn't finding warm bodies. Their problem is finding guys that can cover a legit 20 minutes a night in the NHL.

Between Byfuglien/Enstrom/Bogosian/Trouba and Clitsome there is a huge gap in quality. But what the Oilers are looking for is someone in that gap. Or someone at the lower end that is also young and already playing reasonable minutes.

There are probably 10-15 guys around the league that fit into that 'sweet spot' but none of them are on the Jets and that means the Jets would have to put some serious other assets on the table to do a Gagner deal.

He is a bit pricey, but the Jet's depth at F is pathetic, esp RW, the position I would like to see him play for now.

Sure, great, but you're not just adding Gagner to the roster without subtracting something else from the roster to make it happen. The reality is the Jets have Wheeler signed long term, Frolik is RFA this off season, and Byfuglien is currently playing forward. It would be great to have a legit 2nd line RW that pushes Frolik down and Byfuglien back to defence, but at what cost?

 

[drumzan]

He is a bit pricey, but the Jet's depth at F is pathetic, esp RW, the position I would like to see him play for now.

Frolik, Wheeler and Buff are pathetic at RW?

 

[ajmidd12]

Doesn't look like other GM's like the sound of Gagner on the wing though:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/20...not-suited-to-play-the-wall-friedman-reports/

Gagner is just not one of those guys you "want" to add to your roster IMO. He's got decent offense, but it's not elite. He's not good defensively so he can't be put into a defensive role either. The problem is he doesn't put up enough offense to make his one dimensional play worthwhile. There are other forwards out there that can put up the same amount of points and also contribute defensively.

For a Postma or Clitsome type price I would probably take that on just because as you say, our depth is pathetic.

I wouldn't want Gagner at any price higher than that however. Not even close to the type of player I think you win with, and not the type I think that TNSE is going after.

This is what I was getting at. The fact remains that the Oilers need Defense, Postma isn't all that bad, he tries hard and makes some good plays.

I think he would be a good fit with the Oilers, Gagner would give us a bit more depth at the wing position at an okay cost. I would do the Postma / Clitty for Gagner trade.

 

[surixon]

This is what I was getting at. The fact remains that the Oilers need Defense, Postma isn't all that bad, he tries hard and makes some good plays.

I think he would be a good fit with the Oilers, Gagner would give us a bit more depth at the wing position at an okay cost. I would do the Postma / Clitty for Gagner trade.

Hmm Gagner could probably help our pp out a bit. He also should be less of a liability defensively on the wing.

LLF
KSW
Buff Jokinin Gagner

It would be a solid top 9. Gagner would be a better fit than Seto as he's a playmaker and that line needs a playmaker. Problem is do we want to spend 4.8 mil on the third line winger pp specialist?

 

[truck]

Hmm Gagner could probably help our pp out a bit. He also should be less of a liability defensively on the wing.

LLF
KSW
Buff Jokinin Gagner

It would be a solid top 9. Gagner would be a better fit than Seto as he's a playmaker and that line needs a playmaker. Problem is do we want to spend 4.8 mil on the third line winger pp specialist?

This year...

5 on 5 points per / 60:
Gooch 1.57
Gags 1.52

5 on 4 points per / 60:
Gooch 2.35
Gags 2.12

FWIW

 

[ajmidd12]

This year...

5 on 5 points per / 60:
Gooch 1.57
Gags 1.52

5 on 4 points per / 60:
Gooch 2.35
Gags 2.12

FWIW

Head to head is fine but what about the impact on their line-mates? Who is more efficient? Seto on the 4th would be awesome moving Gagner into 3rd or 2nd line RW.

 

[surixon]

This year...

5 on 5 points per / 60:
Gooch 1.57
Gags 1.52

5 on 4 points per / 60:
Gooch 2.35
Gags 2.12

FWIW

He's had a terrible year, granted he got his face caved in in preseason whixh probably explains some of it. This would be a case of buying low with Gagner and hoping he regains the form of a couple of a year ago.

 

[Flair Hay]

This year...

5 on 5 points per / 60:
Gooch 1.57
Gags 1.52

5 on 4 points per / 60:
Gooch 2.35
Gags 2.12

FWIW

Interesting. I think there is some merit to having a puck possession, playmaking type on Olli's wing, Gagner's contract is too pricey for a guy best suited for a sheltered role.

 

[Hobby Bull]

This isn't relevant until the off-season, but does anyone think the Jets have any hope for Paul Stastny in UFA?

 

[Grind]

This isn't relevant until the off-season, but does anyone think the Jets have any hope for Paul Stastny in UFA?

I did. But with scheifs emmergence as a legit top 6 i'm less inclined to throw the money at him that would likely be necessary. If we're throwing the money at him just to move little to RW, couldn't we just find a rw?

I was big on wanting statsny this off season at the start of the year, but with scheifele's emmergence i just don't think it'll be worth it for what his role here will be. Only so much ice time to go around.

 

[Huffer]

This isn't relevant until the off-season, but does anyone think the Jets have any hope for Paul Stastny in UFA?

I can't see us really having much of a chance.

He's really the best UFA forward available (and a centre), and he's the best by a mile when accounting for age.

20 or more teams could use him, and if you read other boards, all their 2014-2015 talk starts with "So we sign Stastny......"

I think either the Avs find a way to fit him in and he stays there, he goes somewhere else he has a connection (St. Louis?), or he goes somewhere where he thinks he can win the cup.

I just don't see us being a team that close to a cup right now that would make him want to sign here.

If he did though, I would take him in an instant. Even at the UFA overpriced premium. (To a point I guess). With the cap supposedly going up and almost all of the Jets core locked up, the Jets should have the space. Especially with Seto and or Olli gone. Little could be moved to the wing, and Frolik could play on the 3rd. The Jets could really use something like that to get the team to the next level. There are some good prospects coming up, but a instant top 6 forward at no cost (of assets), would be a big improvement IMO. Plus, if the Jets moved Buff for another top 6 / middle 6 forward, the team is that much closer to being able to really run three lines that can score.

 

[Channelcat]

This isn't relevant until the off-season, but does anyone think the Jets have any hope for Paul Stastny in UFA?

Not at all. Tnse has stated on a number of occasions 1) UFAs will not be a significant part of building this team 2) They won't be a cap team.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up 1 or 2 guys, but no big ticket items.

 

[jamiebez]

Not at all. Tnse has stated on a number of occasions 1) UFAs will not be a significant part of building this team 2) They won't be a cap team.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up 1 or 2 guys, but no big ticket items.

Yup.

At best we shore up the third line with some good-value signings, and HOPEFULLY sign a #1B goalie. Guys in the $2-3M range.

 

[drumzan]

Yup.

At best we shore up the third line with some good-value signings, and HOPEFULLY sign a #1B goalie. Guys in the $2-3M range.

Depending on Morrissey's development, Stuart's FA status and Clitty's health, LHD has to be a priority too.

 

[Flair Hay]

Depending on Morrissey's development, Stuart's FA status and Clitty's health, LHD has to be a priority too.

Yeah. Recovering from back surgery and returning to full form is not a sure thing for Clitsome. Not something we should be counting on for a guy already playing at or above his level as a #4.

Stuart should probably go if we
get a sweet offer for him. But he contributed to the wins we got before the break. If we got a 2nd + a middling pick I'd trade him. We should be looking for an upgrade on him and Clitty in the off-season.

Morrissey to me is simple: if he can't play top four minutes next year, he should be in junior playing as a #1. If he really impresses in camp that's a good thing. But in the NHL if we keep him as a sheltered defenseman he'll pretty quickly find himself playing afraid to make a mistake to stay in the lineup. That's a bad idea for a defenseman you expect to develop his skill set.

 

[truck]

Yeah. Recovering from back surgery and returning to full form is not a sure thing for Clitsome. Not something we should be counting on for a guy already playing at or above his level as a #4.

Stuart should probably go if we
get a sweet offer for him. But he contributed to the wins we got before the break. If we got a 2nd + a middling pick I'd trade him. We should be looking for an upgrade on him and Clitty in the off-season.

Morrissey to me is simple: if he can't play top four minutes next year, he should be in junior playing as a #1. If he really impresses in camp that's a good thing. But in the NHL if we keep him as a sheltered defenseman he'll pretty quickly find himself playing afraid to make a mistake to stay in the lineup. That's a bad idea for a defenseman you expect to develop his skill set.

Big plus - Morrissey might get a nice sample of AHL games in at the end of his season.

If he jumps in there and dominates that will be more telling.

 

[Evil Little]

This is my first trade proposal and may be way off, but:

Jokinen + conditional 6th (he doesn't sign) to the Leafs (sic)
Reimer to the Jets

Or did the Oly's inflate Olli's value enough that Toronto sends the pick this way but keeps it if he doesn't sign? I know they need centre help, but does Toronto have the crease depth to do it? (Looking at the Marlies' roster, maybe not...)

I'm pretty sure I don't have the seniority to post this proposal in the main board, but that's not necessary since I know what Leafs (sic) fans would say--"Clarkson for Ladd".

Also, I occasionally see poster write stuff along the lines of 'trade Stuart/Jokinen, then sign him again in the offseason'. Has that type of 'true rental' every actually worked? Wouldn't there be a degree of bridge-burning in all cases but the most hopeless of rebuilds (a la Iginla, who would have been crazy to sign with Calgary having still not won his cup)? Just curious.

 

[CorgisPer60]

It would have to be a plus from us, because who do the Leafs have to backup Bernier? They won't want Pavs contract.

And to answer your last query, it doesn't lead to burned bridges unless it was done in bad faith. I don't need to remind anyone of the Keith Tkachuk trade, do I?

 

[garret9]

Would you take Hemsky at a "fair" price

 

[truck]

Would you take Hemsky at a "fair" price

As a free agent? Sure.

Not sure a trade for Ales as a rental makes much sense.

 

[Huffer]

Would you take Hemsky at a "fair" price

I thought we should have gone after him in the off season considering the state of our forwards.

Agree with Truck though, I don't see trading for a rental at this point.

 

[Jet]

Would you take Hemsky at a "fair" price

I think Hemmer is still a pretty wonderful player. He's stayed healthy too and I think he has a few more productive years left in him.

He could really give us 3 scoring lines which would be deadly. I don't see us giving up much and the Oilers are looking for roster players. I bet they would bite on Stu (not a one for one, mind you)

 

[Flair Hay]

This is my first trade proposal and may be way off, but:

Jokinen + conditional 6th (he doesn't sign) to the Leafs (sic)
Reimer to the Jets

Or did the Oly's inflate Olli's value enough that Toronto sends the pick this way but keeps it if he doesn't sign? I know they need centre help, but does Toronto have the crease depth to do it? (Looking at the Marlies' roster, maybe not...)

I'm pretty sure I don't have the seniority to post this proposal in the main board, but that's not necessary since I know what Leafs (sic) fans would say--"Clarkson for Ladd".

Also, I occasionally see poster write stuff along the lines of 'trade Stuart/Jokinen, then sign him again in the offseason'. Has that type of 'true rental' every actually worked? Wouldn't there be a degree of bridge-burning in all cases but the most hopeless of rebuilds (a la Iginla, who would have been crazy to sign with Calgary having still not won his cup)? Just curious.

Not a bad idea at all, I don't think I've ever seen it pop up. Olli isn't a world beater but he'd be an upgrade on Holland there. A conditional pick would make sense but the conditions would be the tough part.

Is Dave Bolland done for the season?

 

[winterpeg]

As a free agent? Sure.

Not sure a trade for Ales as a rental makes much sense.

If we're trading Pavelec for him, I'd do it for a one day movie rental, let alone a living breathing player!



I think Hemsky is a really good player, but I don't know that he's the right player for this team.