Post-Game Talk: Jets fall to the Stars 5-1

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah Maurice has a nasty habit if over playing the first line when the team is losing. There is so much talent on the 23rd he needs to trust it more

He needs to organize the lines better to begin with but that's another story. With talent on all 4 lines they need to be used more nearly equally. Of course, when they are PKing all night it gets hard.

They need the lines rearranged. They need the PK fixed. They need to stay . out . of . the . penalty . box - fer chrissakes! Grow up you guys!

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Last night reminds me - we may just waste these peak years on our coach who has never won anything, ever. Consolation prizes not counted.

Not even sure if he has gone back to watch the film of how we lost against Vegas.

Anyway, on to the next one.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Home Opener, lets change the top 6 up a bit.
Connor-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Roslovic-Wheeler

Don't really see the need to discuss options the coach will never impose.

If you didn't see it being tested in the pre-season, it's highly doubtful you'll see it now.

Two lines appear set in stone:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Copp-Lowry-Tanev

...after which the options are limited. There's only so many combinations that can be implemented. Two lines, 8 players with only 2 centreman but 6 wingers keeping in mind 5 forwards will always be in the lineup with only 3 forwards that will ever take a place in the press box.

 

[JetsFan815]

Many of have questions about Little and the impact of that contract long term—yet the criticism directed at the guy by some here is so bombastic and dreadfully theatrical that most reasonable people here find no other avenue than defending him and becoming "Little supporters". Posts like the following are the perfect example:

Little can't skate the puck anymore. He rarely draws an extra defender to help and when he does it's closed down quickly.
Average-below size, strength, speed. That's only getting worse with age. He's not skilled enough to make up for it.

If someone had never watched Jets hockey and just read posts like this one and others made by a select group of posters with a similarly focused anti-Little narrative, that person upon watching Jets hockey for the first time would genuinely be surprised to see Little tie his own skates and skate end to end without falling down.

 

[Board Bard]

Last night reminds me - we may just waste these peak years on our coach who has never won anything, ever. Consolation prizes not counted.

Not even sure if he has gone back to watch the film of how we lost against Vegas.

That's exactly the way I've seen it for a few years. Actually, since Maurice's first full year here. I think in future years Maurice (and Chevy for keeping him) are going to be studied as the epitome of wasted potential. Some posters probably remember the long-time poster on here (Guersny maybe) who had been a long-time Canes watcher and as such had some experience watching how Maurice coaches. He described what we were getting in Maurice -- basically nothing good -- and that's pretty much all panned out as predicted.

As for Vegas tapes, would Maurice even know what he's seeing if he did watch them?

 

[White Out 902]

I just noticed that the score in this image is 5-1. This really deserved more likes.

 

[Tommigun]

When was the last time Ehlers scored? I honestly can’t remember. Perreault scored his last in the playoffs didn’t he?

 

[Whileee]

Poolman? Petan? Really?

Poolman was barely keeping his head above water last year and this TC he was awful. He got turned so many times I thought he was a can opener.

Petan STILL has proven jack **** at the NHL level and yet people still consider him to be some kind of savior.

Myers made some mistakes last night but jesus so did the rest of the ****ing team. The whole bunch need to smarten up and remember what it took last year to have that level of success.

They should absolutely make some changes - but smart ones. Bring in Kulikov and scratch Morrow or Chia. Vesalainen is invisible and needs to go down. Play Dano or Lemieux. Bring up Niku if the D continues to struggle.

Poolman and Petan are not the answer to anything.

Myers has been a gong show the first two games. There's no point in sugar coating it. I agree that Chiarot should be the first out, but Myers needs to pick it up. He's like a tripod out there, not moving his feet, a slow stick and not moving the puck quickly.

 

[Halberdier]

When was the last time Ehlers scored? I honestly can’t remember. Perreault scored his last in the playoffs didn’t he?

It was on regular season some point. Perreault had a lot longer goalles streak but then had one in the playoffs.

Personally I would try as a coach to release some of the unleashed potential by line changes as when guys are down and with low self esteem, I don't think the correct answer is to bury them to 4th line / low TOI.

 

[ello]

Many of have questions about Little and the impact of that contract long term—yet the criticism directed at the guy by some here is so bombastic and dreadfully theatrical that most reasonable people here find no other avenue than defending him and becoming "Little supporters". Posts like the following are the perfect example:



If someone had never watched Jets hockey and just read posts like this one and others made by a select group of posters with a similarly focused anti-Little narrative, that person upon watching Jets hockey for the first time would genuinely be surprised to see Little tie his own skates and skate end to end without falling down.

What exactly about that post is so outrageous?

Look, I know that there are Laine fanboys on this forums looking to blame Little for any of Laine’s shortcomings. I get that. But I’ll be the first to criticize Laine when I feel like he’s coasting or that he can disappear 5 v 5 at times when the puck isn’t bouncing his way, and at the same time I can also simultaneously say that to my eye it seems like Little has lost a jump to his step.

Many of us were reassured all summer long (rather condescendingly too) that Little would bounce back, and proposing that last year may not have been an outlier was somehow indicative of some sort of agenda, and that we should “step back from the ledge” when any concern was brought up regarding the 2C position. I honestly think part of the frustration here from the “anti-Little” crowd is birthed from the seemingly unwillingness of some here to even admit that he might not be the same player he was two years ago.

Much of his game is based on how quick and shifty he was. His legs were always moving at 1000rpm and he never seemed to tire. Since the first game of last season however, he just doesn’t seem to play at the same pace anymore, and this is particularly problematic since he was never the most creative guy. From the dreaded eye-test, he doesn’t seem to “better the puck” much in the o-zone. Sure, he can keep a cycle going and get shots through every now and then, but he generates so little on his own in terms of legit scoring chances (kinda like how Perreault will generate a million B grade chances but never seems to get a clean shot off). On the pp he has two moves: down low to Perrault or back to Myers (doesn’t have the skill to regularly make a cross seamer to Ehlers or Roslovic).

I’ve personally seen nothing so far him from him to indicate that a rebound to his career average is gonna happen, which makes sense considering that many forwards fall off after 30. Hopefully Maurice can find a line combo to maximize his abilities. I’m just dont get how ripping Myers a new one every other GDT is ok (I get he was bad last night, but nobody ever seems to stick up for him even after he makes good plays, which he does), yet similar criticism of Little after a particularly invisible performance (not specifically this thread) is somehow bombastic and theatrical.

 

[Tommigun]

What exactly about that post is so outrageous?

Look, I know that there are Laine fanboys on this forums looking to blame Little for any of Laine’s shortcomings. I get that. But I’ll be the first to criticize Laine when I feel like he’s coasting or that he can disappear 5 v 5 at times when the puck isn’t bouncing his way, and at the same time I can also simultaneously say that to my eye it seems like Little has lost a jump to his step.

Many of us were reassured all summer long (rather condescendingly too) that Little would bounce back, and proposing that last year may not have been an outlier was somehow indicative of some sort of agenda, and that we should “step back from the ledge” when any concern was brought up regarding the 2C position. I honestly think part of the frustration here from the “anti-Little” crowd is birthed from the seemingly unwillingness of some here to even admit that he might not be the same player he was two years ago.

Much of his game is based on how quick and shifty he was. His legs were always moving at 1000rpm and he never seemed to tire. Since the first game of last season however, he just doesn’t seem to play at the same pace anymore, and this is particularly problematic since he was never the most creative guy. From the dreaded eye-test, he doesn’t seem to “better the puck” much in the o-zone. Sure, he can keep a cycle going and get shots through every now and then, but he generates so little on his own in terms of legit scoring chances (kinda like how Perreault will generate a million B grade chances but never seems to get a clean shot off). On the pp he has two moves: down low to Perrault or back to Myers (doesn’t have the skill to regularly make a cross seamer to Ehlers or Roslovic).

I’ve personally seen nothing so far him from him to indicate that a rebound to his career average is gonna happen, which makes sense considering that many forwards fall off after 30. Hopefully Maurice can find a line combo to maximize his abilities. I’m just dont get how ripping Myers a new one every other GDT is ok (I get he was bad last night, but nobody ever seems to stick up for him even after he makes good plays, which he does), yet similar criticism of Little after a particularly invisible performance (not specifically this thread) is somehow bombastic and theatrical.

Little and Enström seem to be beyond criticism at times. I think it has to do with them coming from Atlanta, and fancy stats.

 

[GNP]

Don't really see the need to discuss options the coach will never impose.

If you didn't see it being tested in the pre-season, it's highly doubtful you'll see it now.

Two lines appear set in stone:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Copp -Lowry- Tanev

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I think the Fonz has got these 2 lines right here. It's the 2nd and 3 rd lines that need to be tinkered with, until we find the best combination for line chemistry. It's quite likely that Maurice will insert Ehlers back on the 2nd like with Little and Laine.

 

[Maukkis]

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I think the Fonz has got these 2 lines right here. It's the 2nd and 3 rd lines that need to be tinkered with, until we find the bst combination for line chemistry. It's quite likely that Maurice will insert Ehlers back on the 2nd like with Little and Laine.

It is beyond me why he does not give Perreault more chances to play with Laine. That duo has history of working well with each other.

Then again, they did not have a bad game from a statistical viewpoint against the Stars either.

 

[Jet]

Mattie is going to rely on linemates as much as the next guy - say for instance Little . . .

I'm looking at him in isolation though. I'm not looking at things like taking or making passes, close support. I am talking about things like moving into a spot to take a good shot and getting that shot away. Acually using speed, mobility and stickhandling to evade an attacking player.

Matthieu has been atrocious so far and he was nearly invisible for most of last year too. I loved him for the first couple years he was here but he is just plain bad right now. People complain about Chia at 1.4 but he's a bargain compared to benefit we are getting from MP .

 

[Jet]

Myers has been a gong show the first two games. There's no point in sugar coating it. I agree that Chiarot should be the first out, but Myers needs to pick it up. He's like a tripod out there, not moving his feet, a slow stick and not moving the puck quickly.

I wouldn't say gong show. He's shown some glimpses of what we need him to be, but yes, he has always tended to hold onto the puck too long and it hurts him. I think he suffers from doubting his first instinct - I'd guess because when he was younger he was playing a role above what he should have been and was getting eaten alive by NHL forwards who read his plays too easily.

Myers to me seems like a guy who could get better as he gets into his late 20's If he can really start believing in himself and making that first play off his initial read that could open up a lot in his game. He already has the skating and stickhandling... he's very mobile for a guy his size.

I know people just like to hate on players here but if you really try and understand Myers - his pedigree and why he might play the way he does today, you can see that perhaps with some coaching he could still be the top 4 guy we need.

Or, he just has shitty reads and he'll never be good in that area of his game

 

[HannuJ]

How can you be bothered from this enough to actually get the motivation to post this Just ignore it if you don't care We're not talking Lee Stempniak 4 years after he played his last game for us here.

I'm pretty sure there are several people here that do care about the fact that he scored his first goal for Montreal and went on to watch the clip. Especially the Finnish posters.

so go post about it on the Habs board and not in a Jets post-game thread.

 

[Maukkis]

I'm looking at him in isolation though. I'm not looking at things like taking or making passes, close support. I am talking about things like moving into a spot to take a good shot and getting that shot away. Acually using speed, mobility and stickhandling to evade an attacking player.

Matthieu has been atrocious so far and he was nearly invisible for most of last year too. I loved him for the first couple years he was here but he is just plain bad right now. People complain about Chia at 1.4 but he's a bargain compared to benefit we are getting from MP .

Interesting, considering that Chiarot has been a negative contributor on the ice in terms of shot attempts and goals over a three-year sample, whereas Perreault is apparently plain bad after dominating possession during the first two games.

 

[voyageur]

I don't get Sportsnet so I watched another 5-1 game, in which I enjoyed the outcome.

Road trip to Dallas early in the season when the snow is on the ground here sucks the hockey out of you. Teams are getting exposed with holes in the back end early in the season. I think Niku's possession game could get him fast tracked if the coaching staff adapts. Home opener should have a lot more energy I would think. I sure hope Brendan Lemieux draws in.

 

[Derfel]

Armia scored a shorthander

Lowry did it last game. It happens sometimes.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Game 2 and so and so hasn’t scored yet..
Really folks....
We’ll be fine

 

[Jack722]

It was on regular season some point. Perreault had a lot longer goalles streak but then had one in the playoffs.

Personally I would try as a coach to release some of the unleashed potential by line changes as when guys are down and with low self esteem, I don't think the correct answer is to bury them to 4th line / low TOI.

Agree with this and it frustrates me. How come we never throw a good-but-struggling player like Ehlers or Perreault up on to the top line and get them going? How come we never reunite Wheeler and Little to get Little going?

I don't buy the "first line is too good to be changed". We've had plenty of good first lines; we have good players.

Great coaches change lineups all the time. Trotz changed the Caps lineup several times during their cup run this summer.

I'm really hoping that it's not a case of Maurice being afraid to go against our vets' wishes, because that would be disasterous.

It is beyond me why he does not give Perreault more chances to play with Laine. That duo has history of working well with each other.

Then again, they did not have a bad game from a statistical viewpoint against the Stars either.

Yeah... still would love to see Perr - Scheif - Laine again tried out. If it works it leaves a second line of Ehlers - Little - Wheeler, which would almost certainly get the most out of Little, IMO.

It makes Connor the new "please give him icetime" guy but someone has to be, and he and Roslo have played together a lot.

 

[Howard Chuck]

The first line hasn’t been good the first two games. But it’s the only line that doesn’t change. Maurice has a complete blind spot with this.

 

[Duke749]

The first line hasn’t been good the first two games. But it’s the only line that doesn’t change. Maurice has a complete blind spot with this.

What are you talking about? They were just fine in the first game.

 

[LowLefty]

Agree with this and it frustrates me. How come we never throw a good-but-struggling player like Ehlers or Perreault up on to the top line and get them going? How come we never reunite Wheeler and Little to get Little going?

I don't buy the "first line is too good to be changed". We've had plenty of good first lines; we have good players.

Great coaches change lineups all the time. Trotz changed the Caps lineup several times during their cup run this summer.

I'm really hoping that it's not a case of Maurice being afraid to go against our vets' wishes, because that would be disasterous.




Yeah... still would love to see Perr - Scheif - Laine again tried out. If it works it leaves a second line of Ehlers - Little - Wheeler, which would almost certainly get the most out of Little, IMO.

It makes Connor the new "please give him icetime" guy but someone has to be, and he and Roslo have played together a lot.

You're allowed to hope - but I seriously doubt that you will find Connor on the 4th line anytime soon.
Especially if you consider how he's playing right now. That could change but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Howard Chuck]

What are you talking about? They were just fine in the first game.

They were ok. Still getting stuck in their own zone and lots of missed passes and assignments and cheating for offense. It’s early in the season but I expect that IF they are not doing great we won’t see any change. It’s just the one line that will be left alone regardless of what’s going on in a game.

We have a stacked team with lots of talent that just isn’t being played to their potential.