Post-Game Talk: Jets drop 3rd straight, this time to Stars

[bazaaa*]

First goal, Stuart sucks. What a piece of crap. At first I thought we had the PP so he was being aggressive, then realized we were short handed which makes it 10x worse. Trouba is not off the hook, as he just stood there and let the guy do whatever he wanted. I know fanboys will stick up for Trouba, but that's what happened.

Also on the third goal, Trouba was near the blueline, and Slater was in front of the net. Was there any reason for this? OR was Trouba just out of position?

 

[JetsHomer]

I listened to the first two periods on the radio and watched the third. My impressions from just watching the third were that the Jets were clearly the better team. Pavelec played a really good period and the Jets had most of the chances. After watching the highlights, it seemed like Pavs was pretty bad on three of the goals tonights, on Chaisson's goal he should have had his stick down, can't let the puck get through you like that. On Seguin's first goal it was just a pretty good shot, don't fault Pavs at all for it. On Benn's goal Pavelec sees the point shot and it hits his glove, and then rebounds out and Benn scores. Betting he wishes he had that one back. Seguin's second goal was another nice shot, but Pavelec does see it, squares up to the shot, but stays pretty deep in his net and Seguin gets it past him. If he had challenged he probably could have made the save, and he's been pretty good at that this year so far.

I'm going to have to go back and read the GDT to see the explosion when they let in 3 in 7 minutes...yikes.

 

[BigZ65]

The Jets are very good at 4 on 4 hockey. That extra room on the ice really helps them. Same as last year.
But at 5 on 5 with very little room and time to make decisions, they aren't very good.

We seem to be caught in this rut where we either have 3 guys chasing the puck in our D zone 5 on 5 or no one attacking the puck 5 on 5.

 

[JetsHomer]

Will Noel stick with his third period lines next game? It seemed like he was running

Kane - Little - Wheeler
Ladd - Scheifele - Frolik
Tangradi - Jokinen - Setoguchi
Wright - Slater - Halischuk

Enstrom - Buff
Bogosian - Trouba
Stuart - Clitsome

I like the balence in this lineup a bit more.

 

[StronGeer]

Will Noel stick with his third period lines next game? It seemed like he was running

Kane - Little - Wheeler
Ladd - Scheifele - Frolik
Tangradi - Jokinen - Setoguchi
Wright - Slater - Halischuk

Enstrom - Buff
Bogosian - Trouba
Stuart - Clitsome

I like the balence in this lineup a bit more.

Not sure I like Seto and Frolik switched, but I think the Ladd-Kane switch could stick and work well.

 

[Aela*]

Little had a FOW of 75%. Not bad.

 

[JetsFan815]

This team is not built for the Western Conference.

The idea that the Western Conference is that radically different from the Eastern Conference is a myth.

 

[ICdave]

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[DarthMonty]

Yeah, about that. Was at the game, right behind the net in the attack zone as per usual. At around the 6:00 mark of the second the Stars put no less than four shots on net. All hit Pavelec while he was in the crease. None were counted.

We were laughing about the shots all game. Ultimately it was pretty close to even in terms of total shots, but the stats/scorekeepers were definitely skewing the shots tonight. It was hilarious to watch.

I did that job in the NHL, IHL and AHL, and I can testify that the NHL off-ice officials do not "skew" the shots. I initially got the task of tracking shots because the guy I replaced wasn't doing a good enough job. We were monitored and paid by the league, not the team, with the expectation that we would do the job to the best of our abilities, no matter how poorly it reflected on the home team. Occasionally we'd meet with a league representative who would critique past games, or we'd get a memo from Toronto with notes on how to improve our work.

During the game, we would review plays on time-outs and change the shot clocks if necessary, and sometimes review goals/shots/saves during intermissions and report to the referee. There were many instances where the referee would have the time-keeper call us to substantiate calls on the ice. We couldn't change them (that's all on Toronto), but we could confirm them. It would've been inconceivable to us to alter stats or try to influence outcomes.

I didn't work for the NHL at Jet games during the Ferguson era, but heard many stories of how the supervisor got accosted by Fergie because he felt the Jets were being cheated by the officials - but no matter how much Ferguson threatened and cajoled the stats were inviolate from "editing".

I know it's a popular narrative that the statisticians "skew" the stats, but it's just not true.

 

[ps241]

At the game

Tough loss.....we are lacking confidence right now big time. So wish we were not on a prolonged home stand this early in the season.

Onward

 

[garret9]

While yes a lot of the Jets comeback had to do with the Stars going into a defensive shell... the Jets also were dumping the puck a lot less.

I've been tracking zone entries and the ratio is crazy in most of our games. I swear some guys are dumping when they have clear better options.

Oh well.

 

[Mud Turtle]

I'd love to see those dump and chase numbers for the Jets compared to other teams. I would guess that we'd be leading the league?

 

[YWGinYYZ]

While yes a lot of the Jets comeback had to do with the Stars going into a defensive shell... the Jets also were dumping the puck a lot less.

I've been tracking zone entries and the ratio is crazy in most of our games. I swear some guys are dumping when they have clear better options.

Oh well.

Dallas did a very effective job of making short passes to headman the puck out of their own zone on a dump in. Was the cut down in dump-ins an adjustment, or just the way Dallas went into prevent? Even when trying to prevent, you still want to get out of the d-zone, so I think adjustment.

Jets appear to be afraid of the blue line, and the inevitable benching on a turn over. Explicit instructions to carry the puck in? Didn't notice if Dallas was playing a trap after the first, but it would make sense if they did. Carrying in shouldn't have been that effective in that case. Curious.

 

[arby18]

While yes a lot of the Jets comeback had to do with the Stars going into a defensive shell... the Jets also were dumping the puck a lot less.

I've been tracking zone entries and the ratio is crazy in most of our games. I swear some guys are dumping when they have clear better options.

Oh well.

They sure are. Right inside of their drawers.

 

[Analyst365]

At least we're bigger and tougher to play against now.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

At least we're bigger and tougher to play against now.

At least we're bigger.

 

[garret9]

Dallas did a very effective job of making short passes to headman the puck out of their own zone on a dump in. Was the cut down in dump-ins an adjustment, or just the way Dallas went into prevent? Even when trying to prevent, you still want to get out of the d-zone, so I think adjustment.

Jets appear to be afraid of the blue line, and the inevitable benching on a turn over. Explicit instructions to carry the puck in? Didn't notice if Dallas was playing a trap after the first, but it would make sense if they did. Carrying in shouldn't have been that effective in that case. Curious.

Not sure... I really don't know...

All I know is I got so frustrated that I took a screen shot in the first period when Wheeler was coming down the RW lane. He just passed the blue line and the defender is getting ready to close the gap. On Wheeler's left are two players (one was Bogo) with clear drives down the middle. Instead Wheeler chips it in the corner, the other team recovers the puck and goes out.

IMO, this play is a microcosm of the Jets as of late. Chip n' chase, and N/S far too often... it is only so effective in certain situations. In the end you want to keep the puck possession for as much as possible.

sigh...

 

[Sly Jets Fan]

1st half - bad. 2nd half - good. I'm far less upset about this loss, as it shows that they CAN play the d**ned game when they're motivated. Just don't understand why they go to sleep from time to time.

Note too: they didn't really change their "system" - they just friggin played it properly during the 2nd half.

Frustrating. Onward and upward - next game please!

I think that if it would've been a closer game, Dallas would've kept playing like they did to start and the so called upped intensity that the Jets had would've never materialized. I think saying the Jets had a better work ethic and intensity is misleading, kind of like when a back up QB goes into a game when it's already a blow out.

Just face the facts and admit it.

 

[SensibleGuy]

I've been tracking zone entries and the ratio is crazy in most of our games. I swear some guys are dumping when they have clear better options...

abso-frikkin-lutely! It was driving me nuts watching the game. The only guy that seemed to want to try and do anything other than dump and chase was Trouba. The biggest problem is that they spend and extra couple of seconds dicking around with the puck before they dump it so the forwards have to hold up and then don't have any speed for the chase.

And **** Stuart and his endless chipping the puck along the boards. He might as well just pass the puck to an opposing player in front of Pav's because that's where it ends up every time...

...oh, and Clitty forgot how to play hockey over the summer. He's terrifying out there...

The third period they at least looked like they were trying so thats something. Hopefully, they will finally bring a bit of anger/urgency to the rink to start the game on Sunday. Also Little was good.

Y'know, the strategy we should adopt instead of chasing the puck for 40 seconds whenever teams have possession in our zone is to just give them a nice juicy clear shot at the net right off the bat which hopefully Pav's can handle cleanly and give us possession. Attempting to block the shooting lanes doesn't accomplish anything when they can pass the puck around at will...

 

[Sly Jets Fan]

Spot on post.

I haven't seen the Jets look more overmatched at home than they were today. This roster is at worst a lateral step from what they had the last two seasons, so it really points to one thing.

I have. Last year against Washington.

 

[Sly Jets Fan]

I think AGGRESSIVENESS is the key for the Jets. They have none and should to be successful.

They are too passive on the penalty kill, too passive forechecking and too passive letting teams do what they want in our own end.

I think if the team is more aggressive and closes a teams time and space down, half the problems on defense are solved.

They are just giving teams too much time to decide what they want to do and this has to change.

 

[Jets4Life]

Why did Noel play Pavelec last night, when he is traditionally not good at back-to-back games? Montoya could have played, and given Pavs some much needed rest. Noel has got to go...

 

[Channelcat]

The idea that the Western Conference is that radically different from the Eastern Conference is a myth.

I think Alain Vignault and Noel would disagree

 

[jigglysquishy]

I'm back home for Thanksgiving and my folks don't have TSN-Jets. I missed both Thursday and yesterday's games. Blessing in disguise.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Just face the facts and admit it.

I'll do whatever I please, thank you.