Jets Culture / The Room

[Buffdog]

Nobody really talks about Dubois. And his impact on the room. I always thought when Stastny was talking about accountability that he referred to Dubois and his bad penalties. People thought it was about Scheifele's backchecking and I am still not so sure. Because Stastny waived his NTC to come back to the same room that had Wheeler and Scheifele as leaders. Maybe Beaulieu and his bonehead games too wore thin. But as many have understated winning generally makes the recipe of a good culture because no one has to shoulder any blame.

Re: PLD

I think Bones' comments about "now everyone in the locker room is somebody that actually wants to be here" after the trade said a lot.

There was no need to Bones to make such a harsh statement publicly, and the fact that he did so tells me that it was deliberate. Had PLD not been an issue in the room, there would have been no reason for him to make a remarkable like that

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

No disagreements that he was toxic by the end. My guess is Moe and the org didn't know what he'd be like without his buffer (Buff). Things really started to go off the the rails when Buff got injured in 2019 and never recovered as Buff chose not to come back.

This....

 

[MardyBum]

Wheeler. Who tf is bringing up Laine in 2024 after what occurred after he was traded?

 

[TS Quint]

Wheeler. Who tf is bringing up Laine in 2024 after what occurred after he was traded?

Because Laine continued to be the same whiny little snowflake with the BJs to the point he tanked his value as a goal scorer to the point the BJs had to attach a 2nd to get him away from their team. Just because Wheeler was a problem doesn’t mean that Laine wasn’t.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agreed. I think Wheeler had more then worn out his welcome as the leader by then and the younger guys wanted more control. I thought there was very clearly a power struggle going on as you got a number of players disagreeing with the captain in interviews.

While true, that does not make Wheeler a "complete douche bag" though.

As far as we can tell by what is public he is a fine person and he was an outstanding player. His leadership style didn't work very well.

 

[surixon]

While true, that does not make Wheeler a "complete douche bad" though.

As far as we can tell by what is public he is a fine person and he was an outstanding player. His leadership style didn't work very well.

My original post argued against him being labeled as such. I agree that his leadership style became an issue.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My original post argued against him being labeled as such. I agree that his leadership style became an issue.

And I was also arguing against that label, not your post.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't see Wheeler as a captain at all -
He was fine when things went well - and not so fine when they didn't. IOW's, when you needed a strong captain the most, he failed.
I also don't think "in your face" is a leadership style - more of a bully style.
I agree with him being a good ambassador for the city - but you don't have wear the C to be that.

I see him as the main reason we had issues in the room - and the main reason Maurice finally moved on.
I also think any coach that was in that room at that time, would have done the same.
Maurice did hang around too long - he should have walked out earlier.

I agree that Wheeler failed as a captain. I don't agree that was why Maurice walked out. He could have taken the C from Wheeler instead.

How many NHL coaches have ever walked out like Maurice did? He simply fired himself when Chevy failed to.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I had no problem with Wheeler as C. He was the right guy to take over from Ladd. Family man, on a young developing team.

Listen to Scheif talk about how much Wheeler taught him about passing.

I'm sure he helped Ehlers and Connor in their pro careers

The 2019-20 season he played, with so much talent lost, was the kind of leader who would go through a wall for his coach.

I think if Maurice identified him as a leader he was probably a good leader.

But the downhill side of his career, I don't think he was the best captain. I think he couldn't lead the team anymore. On the ice. He got tired of the media, who kind of became ambivalent towards him.

Did his personality clash with some people?

You see leaders frequently get into arguments with players. MacKinnon has a fire and people revere him...Mc David has a fire and it got the Oilers a long way. I think there are different kinds of leaders and Lowry was a good choice to replace him, but I suspect you would find that everybody still in that Jets dressing room, who suited up with him, respects him.

I agree with your last sentence. But, in the end, he failed as captain and I'm sure the other players saw that. But I suspect, as you said, that they still respect him.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I don't know that Wheeler was that big of a douchebag. He was a good ambassador for the city for many years. I think he was just an overly intense person, who in his own words struggled with developing an off switch. That in your face leadership style likely wore on the other players over time

That is the definition of a douche bag, I know because Mrs. Eye tells me I’m intense and extreme and a douche.
I simply tell her supper isn’t going to make itself ya know

 

[macmaroon]

I simply tell her supper isn’t going to make itself ya know

I guess that's why I'm still single, and hungry...

 

[Duck09]

Recent Bones interview (starts around 1:45:00). Mostly discusses his career around the league, but does go into the locker room issues when he took over with the Jets.

 

[Buffdog]

That is the definition of a douche bag, I know because Mrs. Eye tells me I’m intense and extreme and a douche.
I simply tell her supper isn’t going to make itself ya know

What I lack in extremism and intensity, I make up with extra douchiness lol

That said, the worst my wife gets it is when we're alone and she's the only person around for me to rib. Women all want a "funny man" until they're the only target around for his humor lol

As one of my best friends once said... "you're such a . Good thing that you're a hilarious " lol

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

Interview with Bones yesterday.

Talks about Lockerroom issues, Blake Wheeler and comments after Playoff Loss to Vegas.

Skip to 2:17:40

 

[surixon]

Interview with Bones yesterday.

Talks about Lockerroom issues, Blake Wheeler and comments after Playoff Loss to Vegas.

Skip to 2:17:40

Someone happen to have the Coles notes version as I won't have time to listen for a bit.