Post-Game Talk: Jets at Rangers 12/2/2013

[Tawnos]

How thats old song go? "Ya dont know what ya got til its gone."

I don't miss Tortorella at all.

We had one stretch of great hockey from the November 2011 to the middle of January 2012 during his tenure. The rest of his time here, the team was basically a .500 hockey team.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I would like to get to know anyone here who actually likes this team.

Oh stop. You can like a team and still find fault in it.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Yup. There used to be a mandate on this team that if you didnt play hard every single shift, you didnt play. Maybe it was time for Torts to go, maybe it wasnt, but Sather further poisoned the well by talking about how that team was awful to watch, how they wanted to be a skilled based team, how the guys should just have fun out there.

Well, they sure as **** look like they're having fun now not hitting a damn soul out there and coasting their way through games. It sure is fun as a fan watching a team with little top end skill try ridiculous passes resulting in dozens of turnovers per game.
How thats old song go? "Ya dont know what ya got til its gone."

The bolded is not a true statement. The Rangers do not normally have more than single-digit statistical turnovers per game and often fewer than the competition. This metric is contained in the event summary file on nhl.com after each game.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Oh stop. You can like a team and still find fault in it.

No one finds fault like I find fault; just ask the people who work for me. But the negativity after losses is stifling. It's making me stay off the site and do crazy **** like talk to loved ones...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't miss Tortorella at all.

We had one stretch of great hockey from the November 2011 to the middle of January 2012 during his tenure. The rest of his time here, the team was basically a .500 hockey team.

I miss a team that competes hard in the trenches every night. If you didnt have that mentality, you didn't play. That mentality is virtually gone.

 

[Salsa Shark]

What I noticed.

bad bounce makes it 3-2. Killer Cam lets in a dreadful goal to make it 4-2 and that was all she wrote.

Richards chipped the puck wide with a chance to tie with around 6 mins to go.
If that end all the Richards haters would shut up and we'd have the Richards supporters flapping their lips calling the goal "gutsy" or clutch.

Sometimes mediocre teams lose. Usually about half the time.

Didn't see much out of Hagelin or Brassard yesterday. Puliot disappointed as hes done all year.

Turn the page

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

What I noticed.

bad bounce makes it 3-2. Killer Cam lets in a dreadful goal to make it 4-2 and that was all she wrote.

Richards chipped the puck wide with a chance to tie with around 6 mins to go.
If that end all the Richards haters would shut up and we'd have the Richards supporters flapping their lips calling the goal "gutsy" or clutch.

Sometimes mediocre teams lose. Usually about half the time.

Didn't see much out of Hagelin or Brassard yesterday. Puliot disappointed as hes done all year.

Turn the page

Im sorry, but I see this way too often. Posters referring to one play or one bounce that decided the game. That happens sometimes. Its not what happened in the 2 most recent losses against Boston and Winnipeg, where the team was outplayed for the vast majority of the game.

 

[Tawnos]

I miss a team that competes hard in the trenches every night. If you didnt have that mentality, you didn't play. That mentality is virtually gone.

Please. People questioned the team's effort after nearly every single loss the Rangers had under Tortorella. I don't think last night's loss was an effort loss (although I do think that was the case against Boston). In the NHL, some nights you're going to have it when the other team doesn't. Some nights neither or both teams will have it. Some nights the other team has it and your's doesn't. Last night was the last one.

Does the team have holes? Yes. Does the team have a different look than Tortorella's teams? Yes. Is there enough talent here? I don't think so. Agreed with all of that.

That doesn't mean there's a team wide work ethic issue.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Please. People questioned the team's effort after nearly every single loss the Rangers had under Tortorella.

Most people are stupid and don't know what they're watching. I respect your knowledge of the game even though we disagree a lot. Where would you say that Tortorella's teams' battle/compete level were in comparison to this team?

Im sick of watching a team with little top end skill play like a skill team.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

What I noticed.

bad bounce makes it 3-2. Killer Cam lets in a dreadful goal to make it 4-2 and that was all she wrote.

Richards chipped the puck wide with a chance to tie with around 6 mins to go.
If that end all the Richards haters would shut up and we'd have the Richards supporters flapping their lips calling the goal "gutsy" or clutch.

Sometimes mediocre teams lose. Usually about half the time.

Didn't see much out of Hagelin or Brassard yesterday. Puliot disappointed as hes done all year.

Turn the page

More often than not, the team that works the hardest gets "the bad bounce" to go their way.

 

[Tawnos]

Most people are stupid and don't know what they're watching. I respect your knowledge of the game even though we disagree a lot. Where would you say that Tortorella's teams' battle/compete level were in comparison to this team?

Im sick of watching a team with little top end skill play like a skill team.

I think their battle level has been pretty similar to Tortorella's teams on most nights. The games where they have been all over the puck are examples of the other end of the spectrum from the Boston game. Even though the offense was hard to find, the Montreal game and the Nashville game (which I attended) stick out to me. Those games were shutouts because the Habs and Preds weren't able to control the puck without being hounded. There have been other games like that. Even though they managed to catch a fortunate bounce in the game, that very early game against the Kings was another good example of what extraordinary effort nights look like with the team. Most nights, they play that way, but the other team manages to control the puck some.

They definitely were trying to be too fancy at times last night. The powerplay they had when the game was tied last night was a perfect example. I was yelling at them to just get the puck in the zone and play. Instead, they were trying to create odd man rushes in the neutral zone.

This season has really been split into 3 segments, to this point. 2-6-0. 7-3-0. 5-5-0. 9 of the next 10 are at home. Let's see what happens.

 

[Loff]

What a trainwreck of a game this turned into. Promising first period followed by 40 minutes of poop. ****ing incredible.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

Yup. There used to be a mandate on this team that if you didnt play hard every single shift, you didnt play. Maybe it was time for Torts to go, maybe it wasnt, but Sather further poisoned the well by talking about how that team was awful to watch, how they wanted to be a skilled based team, how the guys should just have fun out there.

Well, they sure as **** look like they're having fun now not hitting a damn soul out there and coasting their way through games. It sure is fun as a fan watching a team with little top end skill try ridiculous passes resulting in dozens of turnovers per game.

How thats old song go? "Ya dont know what ya got til its gone."

haha Cinderella.... and the fact that you just called it an old song makes me feel even older

I miss a team that competes hard in the trenches every night. If you didnt have that mentality, you didn't play. That mentality is virtually gone.

meh, that's more on Sather, imo for tearing apart the chemistry that got us to the ECF. But yeah, AV seems to be the polar opposite of Torts in terms of hands-on coaching (screaming) until a player (or the team) responds with the hard work that is needed to win games.

No one finds fault like I find fault; just ask the people who work for me. But the negativity after losses is stifling. It's making me stay off the site and do crazy **** like talk to loved ones...

haha that is crazy. Honestly, in the beginning of the season, I was way more negative. I've now resigned myself to the fact that we're a mediocre team that will win 1/lose 1 all year, fight to get into the playoffs, and if we're lucky, win a round or 2 but that's it. We aren't a real contender, as currently constituted. A few carefully executed deals could change that, but we need to get players like Pyatt, Pouliot as far from this team as possible, as quickly as possible.

 

[True Blue]

Please. People questioned the team's effort after nearly every single loss the Rangers had under Tortorella.

I never recall that to be the case.

I think their battle level has been pretty similar to Tortorella's teams on most nights.

Sorry, but I do not see how one can even think of saying it. It is a VISIBLE difference.

 

[Vickers8]

Never thought I would ever say this but I really think they should insert Bickel, let him be the 6th defenseman and play 8 minutes and kick some ass every night, sit Danny G a game, shake things up, wake this teamup

 

[Idlerlee]

You know we're in trouble when Pouliot is the answer when Brassard gives away goals.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

Never thought I would ever say this but I really think they should insert Bickel, let him be the 6th defenseman and play 8 minutes and kick some ass every night, sit Danny G a game, shake things up, wake this teamup

why stop there? I'm available and can sharpen my skates on my lunch.

 

[Tawnos]

I never recall that to be the case.

Sorry, but I do not see how one can even think of saying it. It is a VISIBLE difference.

The difference is in the style of play, not in the work ethic.

And people argue that a team didn't put in the effort after nearly every game that team loses. It wasn't anything about the Tortorella teams specifically.

 

[Vickers8]

why stop there? I'm available and can sharpen my skates on my lunch.

it's not the totall problem but obviously it's one of the many, need to shake the tree a little, they come to play every other game, it's a joke

 

[RangersHank*]

I think their battle level has been pretty similar to Tortorella's teams on most nights. The games where they have been all over the puck are examples of the other end of the spectrum from the Boston game. Even though the offense was hard to find, the Montreal game and the Nashville game (which I attended) stick out to me. Those games were shutouts because the Habs and Preds weren't able to control the puck without being hounded. There have been other games like that. Even though they managed to catch a fortunate bounce in the game, that very early game against the Kings was another good example of what extraordinary effort nights look like with the team. Most nights, they play that way, but the other team manages to control the puck some.

They definitely were trying to be too fancy at times last night. The powerplay they had when the game was tied last night was a perfect example. I was yelling at them to just get the puck in the zone and play. Instead, they were trying to create odd man rushes in the neutral zone.

This season has really been split into 3 segments, to this point. 2-6-0. 7-3-0. 5-5-0. 9 of the next 10 are at home. Let's see what happens.

9 of the next 10 at home? What does that mean? This team still isnt good enough

 

[Tawnos]

9 of the next 10 at home? What does that mean? This team still isnt good enough

Well, generally speaking, teams are better at home than on the road (although that hasn't been the case for us yet this year). If we go 7-3 on this stretch, then we'll be 21-17 and on pace for 45 wins. 45 wins gets you into the playoffs, so people will feel somewhat better about this team. Obviously, that's the optimistic view, but that's why I said "we'll see what happens." Wasn't making any predictions.

 

[JimmyG89]

The 3rd line (Hagelin - Moore - Zuke) was their best line last night. Puck retrieval was great. Best pressure from them. Too bad no finishers on that line. Need to get a couple top 9 forwards. If that is from the organization or a trade, it needs to be done. Pouliot needs to go at some point. Waiver fodder. Dare I say Pyatt is better?

If they can find a top 6 winger, which is tough this time of the year, they should pull the trigger, especially if it involves DZ.

Last night was not a defense issue. It was forward presence. Getting caught in their own zone. Better forwards means less time in your zone with a defense of this quality.

 

[Pastafazul*]

missed game, watched rangers in 60, did not look like we played a bad game, we were out played by a so so team, talbot down to earth, he looked bad! very disappointed fan

is it me, when this team wins all is good, when we lose , its a big concern!

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

did not look like we played a bad game, we were out played by a so so team

That's not a bad game?

 

[Hobby Bull]

I'll be the "it wasn't as bad as the score made it look" guy. They didn't play great by any stretch, but there were elements that can be taken as positives. Staal had a good game, as did Del Zotto (who looks more confident on the rush than he has in two years).

Yeah, it sucks that they gave up 3 third period goals, but those goals were--a series of weird deflections that went right to an Ottawa player, a mistake by a rookie goalie for a soft soft soft goal, and an empty netter. Again, it's not like they played great, but they just had NO puck luck in that third period (and I think they were getting frustrated by the lack of calls on obvious penalties--there were at least three textbook calls that were just ignored).

Put it in the past, keep the positives and move on to the next game.

...have to be a REALLY weird bounce. They were playing Winnipeg.

You're right though. Overall it was an unlucky loss. The score was not an indication of the play, and they outshot the Jets by a significant amount. Luck will even out in the end.