Friedman: Jets and Rutger McGroarty are not talking - his name is coming up in trade talks

[Buffdog]

I can tell you he’s never going to get Guhle or a similar caliber player. That’s just being unrealistic

I didn't ask for Guhle. Maybe Chevy did and MTL said no (but I doubt it). That's how these things work

Like I've said.. let's wait and see. You guys didn't do so well with the same convo about PLD lol

Chevy got more in that situation than Habs fans dreamt of. Don't say that it couldn't happen again

 

[Mrfenn92]

lol…ok

It’s not a serious post fyi

 

[Mersss]

Yes, true

Habs: "I hear McG is available. What would it take from our end?"
Chevy: "Guhle"
Habs: "we're not willing to do that"
Chevy: "OK. Bye"

That's how this works. Chevy hangs up and calls the next interested party

You'll notice it wasn't Chevy dialing up the Habs, but the other way around

And 31 other GMs know chevy has no leverage...

 

[Weezeric]

And 31 other GMs know chevy has no leverage...

Didn’t you learn with PLD?

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Didn’t you learn with PLD?

And that was only with two or three bidders due to the cap ramifications...

 

[Mersss]

Didn’t you learn with PLD?

PLD was an NHL player at the time of the trade.

And exactly. No GM will repeat a mistake like that

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

And 31 other GMs know chevy has no leverage...

Those 31 GMs are competing against each other.

 

[gojetsgo]

love the gm's know he has no leverage posts... ok wait 2 years and gamble the he chooses your team instead of the other teams interested or you can pay the price and actually get him right now

 

[Baksfamous112]

I didn't ask for Guhle. Maybe Chevy did and MTL said no (but I doubt it). That's how these things work

Like I've said.. let's wait and see. You guys didn't do so well with the same convo about PLD lol

Chevy got more in that situation than Habs fans dreamt of. Don't say that it couldn't happen again

I think we’ve done pretty well considering we A. Didn’t acquire the player and B. Didn’t overpay

 

[Snowman]

love the gm's know he has no leverage posts... ok wait 2 years and gamble the he chooses your team instead of the other teams interested or you can pay the price and actually get him right now

I blame the education system today. Kids just don't know the definition of the word "leverage".

 

[Buffdog]

And 31 other GMs know chevy has no leverage...

Huh?

As soon as two of those GMs want Rutger, Chevy leverages them against each other. From all reports, there are at least 5 or more. He'll use their offers against each other to get as much value as he can

I think we’ve done pretty well considering we A. Didn’t acquire the player and B. Didn’t overpay

But failed miserably a C. Predicting what Chevy would ultimately get for him - which was my point

 

[Baksfamous112]

But failed miserably a C. Predicting what Chevy would ultimately get for him - which was my point

Montreal are more than fine at C with Suzuki, Dach, Newhook with Beck & Hage in the system

 

[bud12]

I didn't ask for Guhle. Maybe Chevy did and MTL said no (but I doubt it). That's how these things work

Like I've said.. let's wait and see. You guys didn't do so well with the same convo about PLD lol

Chevy got more in that situation than Habs fans dreamt of. Don't say that it couldn't happen again

Didn't do well???? We did magnificent. We dodged a bullet and didn't overpay for a player who is now a cap dump. How is not "doing well"?

 

[Buffdog]

Montreal are more than fine at C with Suzuki, Dach, Newhook with Beck & Hage in the system

What does that have to do with my reply?

I said that Habs fans didn't think we'd get the return we did. Who you do or do not have on your team has no bearing on that

Didn't do well???? We did magnificent. We dodged a bullet and didn't overpay for a player who is now a cap dump. How is not "doing well"?

You guys massively underestimated what Chevy would be able to return

Were you not surprised hy Vilardi, Kupari, Iafallo and your 2nd?

That's my point

 

[Baksfamous112]

What does that have to do with my reply?

I said that Habs fans didn't think we'd get the return we did. Who you do or do not have on your team has no bearing on that

“But failed miserably a C” I thought that was a shot at Habs C depth, which I responded to.

Anyway, moot point. I don’t see McGroarty over Slaf or Demidov on the LW depth chart, so ultimately, we wouldn’t have that much more to offer him than Winnipeg

 

[The Great Weal]

Like I've said.. let's wait and see. You guys didn't do so well with the same convo about PLD lol

The Habs didn't give the Jets what they wanted and the Jets didn't accept what the Habs wanted, yet its the Habs fans are the ones who failed? In fact, it went exactly as expected. Habs weren't going to pay the price unless it was cheap and the Jets weren't going to accept chump change.

If you want to talk about a failed convo, look at all the "there's no way the Jets would give a 1st for Monahan" talks all of last year.

 

[Buffdog]

The Habs didn't give the Jets what they wanted and the Jets didn't accept what the Habs wanted, yet its the Habs fans are the ones who failed? In fact, it went exactly as expected. Habs weren't going to pay the price unless it was cheap and the Jets weren't going to accept chump change.

If you want to talk about a failed convo, look at all the "there's no way the Jets would give a 1st for Monahan" talks all of last year.

For the 15th time... Habs fans failed at accurately assessing what Chevy could get for PLD

Just like Jets fans did with Monahan (for the record, I was always fine with giving a 1st for him, and was one Jets fan that actually wanted him become the trade happened)

Not sure what it is with Habs fans and their reading abilities. I hope it's a language thing but I'm not so sure it isn't something else

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So, are we looking at top 10 protected 2025 1sts yet or nah?

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

So, are we looking at top 10 protected 2025 1sts yet or nah?

If I was in charge I'd be looking for for an established NHLer or someone who could step in next season. Helle is in his 30s now, using our best trade chip for a mid 2025 1st isn't gonna move the needle

 

[gojetsgo]

So, are we looking at top 10 protected 2025 1sts yet or nah?

no

 

[The Great Weal]

For the 15th time... Habs fans failed at accurately assessing what Chevy could get for PLD

For the 15th time...Jets fans failed at accurately assessing that the Habs would trade for PLD without overpaying, which is exactly what happened.

Not sure what it is with Habs fans and their reading abilities. I hope it's a language thing but I'm not so sure it isn't something else

Well since it's not a language thing with Jets fans, I'm terrified about what it is if you can't understand that Habs would have traded for PLD if he was cheap enough and worthwhile. That wasn't the case given the Jets return. If PLD was available for cheap we would have had him, if he wasn't (which he wasn't based on the return), then we wouldn't make the trade which we didn't.

 

[gojetsgo]

For the 15th time...Jets fans failed at accurately assessing that the Habs would trade for PLD without overpaying, which is exactly what happened.

lol, all jets fans did is turn down mtl fans trade proposals and told them we would trade him somewhere else for more, only to have all the comments of "he only wants to come here" or "we will get him for free" trust me, jets fans do our best to stay away from mtl proposals

 

[Buffdog]

For the 15th time...Jets fans failed at accurately assessing that the Habs would trade for PLD without overpaying, which is exactly what happened.

Well since it's not a language thing with Jets fans, I'm terrified about what it is if you can't understand that Habs would have traded for PLD if he was cheap enough and worthwhile. That wasn't the case given the Jets return. If PLD was available for cheap we would have had him, if he wasn't (which he wasn't based on the return), then we wouldn't make the trade which we didn't.

The Jets did a perfect job of assessing what SOMEONE would pay for PLD, which is all they had to do

Habs fans said "he only wants to come here, you'll accept our shit offer because no GM will give more because he's just gonna walk to UFA and sign here anyway"

WRONG

My point has nothing to do with Habs fans only offering shit... it was when they said "you'll have to accept it because nobody will offer more"

Same thing seems to be happening with Rurger and all these "Chevy has no leverage" posts

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

What does that have to do with my reply?

I said that Habs fans didn't think we'd get the return we did. Who you do or do not have on your team has no bearing on that


You guys massively underestimated what Chevy would be able to return

Were you not surprised hy Vilardi, Kupari, Iafallo and your 2nd?

That's my point

Well who would have expected LA to bid against themselves. No one cared what anyone else would offer. Hughes would only be able to offer futures. Habs were out when Dubois opened up the bidding to other teams.

 

[Buffdog]

Well who would have expected LA to bid against themselves. No one cared what anyone else would offer. Hughes would only be able to offer futures. Habs were out when Dubois opened up the bidding to other teams.

Which is fine, and completely understandable in the stage of the rebuild you're in

But that's not what Habs fans were saying at the time (or at least a few of them)