Post-Game Talk: Jets 5 - Flames 2

[GNP]

Gabe Vilardi is so f***ing good, man.

He is becoming a real scoring force, and has magic scoring hands in tight around the net, and he’ just 23 years old. From memory, I think he is already in top 35 players in the NHL scoring race. What a great trade by Chevy to get out of that PLD mess, and with no leverage. Also Kupari is looking better and better with every game he plays. Very fast powerful skater. And on top of all that the Jets got a second round draft pick. WOW, what a steal of a deal by Chevy.

 

[voyageur]

We'll see, I'm in they have to prove it territory with Carolina. They're everyone's sexy pick to win it all every year and then they go out with a whimper. People said the same when they got Guentzel last year.

Goaltending. Unless you have an Oilers team that can take the game to the next level, you need the big saves. Just enough, like Grant Fuhr. Andersen has never got over that hump.

 

[Gm0ney]

Here's the road trip breakdown:

Opponent	Home/Road	Days of Rest	Time Change	Result
NYR	Road	2	+1 hour	W 6-3
TBL	Road	1	+0 hours	L 1-4
FLA	Road	1	+0 hours	L 0-5
FLA	Home	2	-1 hour	W 6-3
PIT	Road	2	+1 hour	W 4-1
NSH	Road	0	+0 hours	L 1-4
MIN	Road	1	-1 hour	W 4-1
LAK	Road	1	-2 hours	L 1-4
VGK*	Road	1	+0 hours	L 3-4
DAL	Road	1	+2 hours	L 1-3
STL	Home	1	+0 hours	L 1-4
BUF	Road	1	+1 hour	W 3-2
CHI	Road	1	-1 hour	W 4-2
CBJ	Home	0	+0 hours	L 1-4
BOS	Home	1	+0 hours	W 8-1
VGK	Home	1	+0 hours	OTL 2-3
MTL	Home	1	+0 hours	W 4-2
SJS	Road	2	-2 hours	W 4-3
ANA	Road	0	+0 hours	L 2-3

* Ehlers was injured during the VGK game. That was also Stanley's first game back from injury (which had kept him off the ice for the entire road trip up to that point).

Aside from the 2 early losses in Florida, which I wouldn't consider fatigue related, the other 7 losses were either on the second game of a back-to-back (0-3), or against good teams that had our number (LAK, VGK and DAL). And I'll just chalk up St. Louis to a case of fatigue + shit happens.

 

[Huffer]

Great to see Comrie finally rewarded with some goal support.

 

[Moloch]

My only concern in the playoffs is the D and how they show up. Helle has played well in the playoffs before which leads me to believe he didnt do poorly last year, the players in front of him did. We've got the shooters, we need the back end support. Curious to see how Samberg shows up in the poffs this year with Pionk. Or whoever chevy trades for

 

[Buffdog]

Here's the road trip breakdown:

Opponent	Home/Road	Days of Rest	Time Change	Result
NYR	Road	2	+1 hour	W 6-3
TBL	Road	1	+0 hours	L 1-4
FLA	Road	1	+0 hours	L 0-5
FLA	Home	2	-1 hour	W 6-3
PIT	Road	2	+1 hour	W 4-1
NSH	Road	0	+0 hours	L 1-4
MIN	Road	1	-1 hour	W 4-1
LAK	Road	1	-2 hours	L 1-4
VGK*	Road	1	+0 hours	L 3-4
DAL	Road	1	+2 hours	L 1-3
STL	Home	1	+0 hours	L 1-4
BUF	Road	1	+1 hour	W 3-2
CHI	Road	1	-1 hour	W 4-2
CBJ	Home	0	+0 hours	L 1-4
BOS	Home	1	+0 hours	W 8-1
VGK	Home	1	+0 hours	OTL 2-3
MTL	Home	1	+0 hours	W 4-2
SJS	Road	2	-2 hours	W 4-3
ANA	Road	0	+0 hours	L 2-3

* Ehlers was injured during the VGK game. That was also Stanley's first game back from injury (which had kept him off the ice for the entire road trip up to that point).

Aside from the 2 early losses in Florida, which I wouldn't consider fatigue related, the other 7 losses were either on the second game of a back-to-back (0-3), or against good teams that had our number (LAK, VGK and DAL). And I'll just chalk up St. Louis to a case of fatigue + shit happens.

That stretch of 14 games in 14 different cities was insane

 

[ICdave]

Highly optional (just three skaters) practice before leaving for Montreal:

 

[Buffdog]

Goaltending. Unless you have an Oilers team that can take the game to the next level, you need the big saves. Just enough, like Grant Fuhr. Andersen has never got over that hump.

Re: goaltending

Last year vs the Avs, the Jets gave up 24 goals on 182 shots for a save % of .869 (i removed the 4 empty netters)

Had helle played to a .920 regular season standard, that's 9 less goals over the 5 game span

I'm not pinning the whole series on him, but you can't score your way out of .869 goaltending

 

[Jets4Life]

So glad the Jets offense showed up finally, when Comrie was in goal. Poor guy must have taken a confidence hit.

Re: goaltending

Last year vs the Avs, the Jets gave up 24 goals on 182 shots for a save % of .869 (i removed the 4 empty netters)

Had helle played to a .920 regular season standard, that's 9 less goals over the 5 game span

I'm not pinning the whole series on him, but you can't score your way out of .869 goaltending

It was not completely on Helle. The defence was atrocious in that series. The Hugh danger chances that Avs had was probably twice the rate of the Jets.

 

[Buffdog]

So glad the Jets offense showed up finally, when Comrie was in goal. Poor guy must have taken a confidence hit.


It was not completely on Helle. The defence was atrocious in that series. The Hugh danger chances that Avs had was probably twice the rate of the Jets.

High danger chances were 55-50 in favor of the Avs (leaving the Jets with 47.62 HDCF%) so not even close to 2:1

 

[Jets 31]

He is becoming a real scoring force, and has magic scoring hands in tight around the net, and he’ just 23 years old. From memory, I think he is already in top 35 players in the NHL scoring race. What a great trade by Chevy to get out of that PLD mess, and with no leverage. Also Kupari is looking better and better with every game he plays. Very fast powerful skater. And on top of all that the Jets got a second round draft pick. WOW, what a steal of a deal by Chevy.

Vilardi is 25 but yes totally agree, Pionk and a 1st for Trouba was another very good trade when Chevy didn't have alot of teams to trade to because Trouba would only go to New York.

 

[robertocarlos]

Not sure I'd go that far... Flames high danger chances were mostly against Fleury-Stan... they are getting better but Miller is by far the best option on that third pairing

Miller and Heinola.

Vilardi is 25 but yes totally agree, Pionk and a 1st for Trouba was another very good trade when Chevy didn't have alot of teams to trade to because Trouba would only go to New York.

NYR fans were wrong about Pionk. He's no donkey.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

15 games in 15 different cities in 30 days, is not the travel. Come on pal, give your head a shake. that's an insane schedule.

I just gave it a shake and should correct myself .The travel had something to do with it perhaps 20 t o25% but would you agree there is blue print for beating this team?

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I understand the "once bitten, twice shy" mentality of being bounced in the first round the past couple of seasons

My hopes aren't super high for a deep playoff run, either. But I still enjoy watching the season that this team is having

Looking back at last year, at the 51 game mark the Jets had 69 points. They had yet to hit the crazy part of their schedule (they played 17 games between Feb 29 and Mar 30 - that's where the 6 game skid happened) but we're already through that patch this clear and we have 71 points

I also think the system they're playing this year is less likely to leave them burnt out (like Nino noted) come April. Everyone (except JoMo, Connor and Helle) are going to have nice long breaks to heal up their little dings.

If you look closely enough, there are some little reasons to maybe be a little optimistic

Once again thank you for a measured and rational response. I am trying to enjoy the wins more and have to admit I thought they would take a huge step back this season not be competing for first overall. It is impressive that this smallest of small market teams is having such amazing success. I am trying to enjoy the 'flight' more after having discussions like this with posters like you on this site forum. I will add on caveat, I still reserve the right to be critical and cautious but thank you for your candor and let's hope we are passing each other at Portage and Main to celebrate a cup win in June

Ineffective Math's sGoals stat which has been posted a few times has Pionk pretty low. you can search Whileee's post history and im sure to find it from a few weeks ago.

is using on-ice stats to individually compare fwds and defenseman the really best criteria here? do you not see potential limitations or issues with this?

i swear, people apply some of these stats to seem cool and hip b/c it's 5v5.... but there's similar drawbacks in application as these on-ice stats as the vaunted traditional plus/minus.


it's ok to be a Jets fan and enjoy wins.

I am trying to enjoy the wins but cannot help but look ahead to the playoffs.

 

[Buffdog]

I just gave it a shake and should correct myself .The travel had something to do with it perhaps 20 t o25% but would you agree there is blue print for beating this team?

Yup, the Jets struggle when teams put pucks behind the D and pressure them like the Avs did last playoffs. They've made a few adjustments this season that seem to be helping a bit, mostly flying a winger into the neutral zone to draw the D man back with them so they can't activate up the wall

The Jets also seem to struggle vs LA and their defensive structure, but so do most teams judging by the fact that LA is 1st in the league for goals against. They make it very difficult to get the puck to high danger areas, which is where a line like CSV like to be

 

[DRW204]

Once again thank you for a measured and rational response. I am trying to enjoy the wins more and have to admit I thought they would take a huge step back this season not be competing for first overall. It is impressive that this smallest of small market teams is having such amazing success. I am trying to enjoy the 'flight' more after having discussions like this with posters like you on this site forum. I will add on caveat, I still reserve the right to be critical and cautious but thank you for your candor and let's hope we are passing each other at Portage and Main to celebrate a cup win in June


I am trying to enjoy the wins but cannot help but look ahead to the playoffs.

Letting shit that's not even close to the to happened yet ruining enjoyment of today. Sheesh. And apparently you have or want the Leafs winning? Any hesitation of the Jets and the PO's should be similar for the Leafs. Maybe stick to the Toronto boards.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Letting shit that's not even close to the to happened yet ruining enjoyment of today. Sheesh. And apparently you have or want the Leafs winning? Any hesitation of the Jets and the PO's should be similar for the Leafs. Maybe stick to the Toronto boards.

I don't think there's anything wrong with looking hesitantly at the playoffs while you're enjoying the wins in the regular season. We flamed out two years in a row in the playoffs. This is a completely normal thought to be having.

 

[DRW204]

I don't think there's anything wrong with looking hesitantly at the playoffs while you're enjoying the wins in the regular season. We flamed out two years in a row in the playoffs. This is a completely normal thought to be having.

Yes, looking ahead and discussing stuff is fine and common practice.

OP said it's inhibiting his enjoyment of wins and the Jets playing well (I am trying to enjoy the wins but...). That doesn't strike me as just looking ahead. That's your enjoyment/life being ruined bc of things that have not even happened yet.

 

[raideralex99]

I think its time to start questioning the refs not calling penalties on Jets opponents. I see Vilardi mentioned it in a way not to call out the refs because we know what happens when you do that. The next 2 games will be telling Montreal and Boston are the top 2 teams in penalties and the Caps are #11 in the league while the Jets are 25th and who wants to bet the 25th place team in the league will get more penalties than the top most penalized teams.

 

[Jets 31]

I've never started a thread on the mains before but Connor's goal last night has to be right up at one of the best this season.

I think its time to start questioning the refs not calling penalties on Jets opponents. I see Vilardi mentioned it in a way not to call out the refs because we know what happens when you do that. The next 2 games will be telling Montreal and Boston are the top 2 teams in penalties and the Caps are #11 in the league while the Jets are 25th and who wants to bet the 25th place team in the league will get more penalties than the top most penalized teams.

It's getting concerning i agree.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Letting shit that's not even close to the to happened yet ruining enjoyment of today. Sheesh. And apparently you have or want the Leafs winning? Any hesitation of the Jets and the PO's should be similar for the Leafs. Maybe stick to the Toronto boards.

Aww hell nah not another @gojetsgo PO! Say it ain't so. You seem like a sophisticated poster and should know I do not let Jets wins or leafs losses I mean vice versa (hahah) ruin my day! I usually get over a jets loss in 45 to 90 minutes after blowing off some steam here. I do NOT WANT the Leafs to win the cup but think they will. I will not apologize for that just as I won't apologize for picking the Jets to lose the last 3 games in the prediction contest. I will not say why I did it but any real fan will know. Hint the word beings with an 'S' and end with an 'N'!!
I also disagree with your 'hesitation' comment. The leafs have an easier road out of the East on paper than the jets but injuries, luck and fate all play a role in who ends up with the cup.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I think its time to start questioning the refs not calling penalties on Jets opponents. I see Vilardi mentioned it in a way not to call out the refs because we know what happens when you do that. The next 2 games will be telling Montreal and Boston are the top 2 teams in penalties and the Caps are #11 in the league while the Jets are 25th and who wants to bet the 25th place team in the league will get more penalties than the top most penalized teams.

Last night telecast it was interesting how many times Sawyer and Robertson mentioned the lack of power plays for the Jets in the last X games.

I’m not a conspiracy guy but I think this “game management” by the refs is definitely happening to some extent.

 

[Buffdog]

Last night telecast it was interesting how many times Sawyer and Robertson mentioned the lack of power plays for the Jets in the last X games.

I’m not a conspiracy guy but I think this “game management” by the refs is definitely happening to some extent.

It's tough to tell for sure because teams have to be aware of the danger of the Jets on the PP so they play more carefully as to not get called..

But the nature of the NHL and reffing is that every single game, stuff that should get called doesn't - and vice versa

 

[Jets 31]

It's tough to tell for sure because teams have to be aware of the danger of the Jets on the PP so they play more carefully as to not get called..

But the nature of the NHL and reffing is that every single game, stuff that should get called doesn't - and vice versa

Agreed and i honestly watch the opposing team more for penalties but It's the amount of games recently where the other team didn't get a single penalty. That seems impossible to happen in one game let alone 3 recent games.

 

[Gm0ney]

I don't think there's anything wrong with looking hesitantly at the playoffs while you're enjoying the wins in the regular season. We flamed out two years in a row in the playoffs. This is a completely normal thought to be having.