Post-Game Talk: Jets 5 - Flames 2

[johnnyonthspot]

I've chosen your post to respond to, Jets 31, because you are clearly a great fan, with good intentions.

Calling a Jets fan who is pessimistic about the team's playoff chances a troll (as others have done, or insinuated), or non-fan is the HF equivalent of McCarthyism. Look it up and you will see the damage that is done in any society (including this 'play society') when the people who don't think like the majority are scorned, interrogated and rejected.

Almost everyone here is a Jets fan. A minority are constructively critical or pessimistic, based on past performance, analytics, or just good old-fashioned anxiety. So what? If you can't enjoy the difference of opinion, just ignore them. But don't join the attacking mob--you are too good for that.

Very well said. I am one the posters consistently ridiculed by others for wanting the best for the Jets but get accused of trolling or being a Leafs fan for a different opinion. I have thick skin and enjoy the interaction and passion most of the posters have our here. Try posting a thread in the main NHL chat and that will open your eyes to a whole new world of keyboard warriors!

 

[kanadalainen]

That KFC coal was a butte! A BUTTE I tell ya!

Great win.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

There’s room for all opinions on the Jets - good, mid and bad - IMO. As long as posters are not dicks about it, some healthy and respectful debate is fine and welcome in my view.

 

[Jets 31]

I've chosen your post to respond to, Jets 31, because you are clearly a great fan, with good intentions.

Calling a Jets fan who is pessimistic about the team's playoff chances a troll (as others have done, or insinuated), or non-fan is the HF equivalent of McCarthyism. Look it up and you will see the damage that is done in any society (including this 'play society') when the people who don't think like the majority are scorned, interrogated and rejected.

Almost everyone here is a Jets fan. A minority are constructively critical or pessimistic, based on past performance, analytics, or just good old-fashioned anxiety. So what? If you can't enjoy the difference of opinion, just ignore them. But don't join the attacking mob--you are too good for that.

You are right i shouldn't do that, i just get frustrated with being down on the tied for best team in the NHL. I guess because if we aren't going to be happy with what this team is doing right now when are we ? I have never put anyone on ignore because i do want to read everyone's opinion on here , i will try to not get as frustrated.

 

[Buffdog]

Once again, the Jets are a good team but I am not convinced their pre-playoff season play can be replicated in the playoffs. I hope I am wrong.
I am definitely not a leafs fan but can still think they will win the cup. I would not be happy if they did but have a feeling they will based on having an easier road than the Jets

I hope that clears up the confusion and just because my pom poms are not as big as @gojetsgo does not mean I do not want the Jets to go!!

I understand the "once bitten, twice shy" mentality of being bounced in the first round the past couple of seasons

My hopes aren't super high for a deep playoff run, either. But I still enjoy watching the season that this team is having

Looking back at last year, at the 51 game mark the Jets had 69 points. They had yet to hit the crazy part of their schedule (they played 17 games between Feb 29 and Mar 30 - that's where the 6 game skid happened) but we're already through that patch this clear and we have 71 points

I also think the system they're playing this year is less likely to leave them burnt out (like Nino noted) come April. Everyone (except JoMo, Connor and Helle) are going to have nice long breaks to heal up their little dings.

If you look closely enough, there are some little reasons to maybe be a little optimistic

 

[Jets 31]

I would say Connor's goal song answers this question, what a goal.

 

[Weezeric]

I've chosen your post to respond to, Jets 31, because you are clearly a great fan, with good intentions.

Calling a Jets fan who is pessimistic about the team's playoff chances a troll (as others have done, or insinuated), or non-fan is the HF equivalent of McCarthyism. Look it up and you will see the damage that is done in any society (including this 'play society') when the people who don't think like the majority are scorned, interrogated and rejected.

Almost everyone here is a Jets fan. A minority are constructively critical or pessimistic, based on past performance, analytics, or just good old-fashioned anxiety. So what? If you can't enjoy the difference of opinion, just ignore them. But don't join the attacking mob--you are too good for that.

There’s a big difference between being critical of the team, and constantly being negative about their playoff chances, while going on about how the leafs of all teams are going to win the cup.

 

[voyageur]

You are right i shouldn't do that, i just get frustrated with being down on the tied for best team in the NHL. I guess because if we aren't going to be happy with what this team is doing right now when are we ? I have never put anyone on ignore because i do want to read everyone's opinion on here , i will try to not get as frustrated.

For real. I don't see any team after this year's edition ever being as good as this team is, hitting their prime in full speed, with contracts to be earned, All Star and Olympic considerations going into play, and coaching tuning the team up in every way.

Maybe with Buff there was more swagger, but this year's team has been a blast to watch. No one predicted the Jets to come out better with the offseason losses. It's quite remarkable. I'm looking forward to my first ever playoff game this year.

 

[Howard Chuck]

First of all, I didn't get to see much of the game, but what I saw I liked! Fleury has wheels that I didn't know about, man can he skate!

Secondly, I think I only have one person on ignore, but I manually ignore anything not Jets related by just scrolling past those conversations. I do a similar version in my day to day life

 

[Gm0ney]

Winnipeg Jets tied for 1st in the NHL with 71 points, most goals scored in the NHL with 180 , best goals for /against in the NHL at +56 . Toronto 30-18-2 for 62 points , 152 goals scored, and a solid +10 in goals for /against. And you think Toronto is a better team and will go farther in the playoffs than the Jets. I think you are a Leafs fan pure and simple. As a matter of fact I've seen you post on the Leafs board pumping their team so you can see the confusion that some on here might have . Go Jets Go.

A Leafs fan?!

 

[gojetsgo]

You are right i shouldn't do that, i just get frustrated with being down on the tied for best team in the NHL. I guess because if we aren't going to be happy with what this team is doing right now when are we ? I have never put anyone on ignore because i do want to read everyone's opinion on here , i will try to not get as frustrated.

you don't need to apologize for anything, your post was 100% valid, that poster you called out only predicts losses and is far more then just pessimism, like he always goes back to how the playoffs went for us but then he chooses the leafs to win the cup, because you know the leafs have had a great history in the playoffs... make it make sense

 

[DRW204]

So what advanced stats are you looking at? I just checked Natural Stat Trick and while Ehlers counting numbers are up, his basic underlying 5 on 5 numbers have fallen off. And Pionk actually rates out a little better.

According to Natural Stat Trick

CF%
Ehlers 50.48%
Pionk 50.51%

HDCF%
Ehlers 46.41%
Pionk 49.84%

xGF%
Ehlers 49.34%
Pionk 50.17%

All the while with the ice tilted against Pionk with only 38.46% offensive zone starts compared to 65.82% for Ehlers.

Ineffective Math's sGoals stat which has been posted a few times has Pionk pretty low. you can search Whileee's post history and im sure to find it from a few weeks ago.

is using on-ice stats to individually compare fwds and defenseman the really best criteria here? do you not see potential limitations or issues with this?

i swear, people apply some of these stats to seem cool and hip b/c it's 5v5.... but there's similar drawbacks in application as these on-ice stats as the vaunted traditional plus/minus.

Wow ! I a flattered you have been following me. To err is human , to forgive is devine.
I hope you can forgive me and point out what I have been wrong about? In general I know which teams the Jets will beat and lose too plus their schedule also is a give away for predicting W and L's. I have said I am trying to enjoy the pre-real season success and not look to far ahead. I also think the last 2 games were closer than the score indicated. I am concerned about the 3 game road trip and smell a 1-2 record but hope I am wrong.

it's ok to be a Jets fan and enjoy wins.

 

[Crocket]

I understand people's trepidation about predicting playoff success, but I will add that many teams who barely got in have gone to the finals or won it all. Even the Panthers snuck in the year before, losing, then following up.
There is so much luck and unlucky with injuries and timing.
We have many of the right ingredients, but there is no magic formula besides perseverance, luck, and just wanting it more.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Romang67]

I'm convinced that the consternation about the Jets' record since the incredible start stems considerably more from the 2022/23 season and plain not paying attention to the rest of the league than anything else.

You know which other teams are hovering a little over .500 if you remove the part of the season where they're firing on all cylinders?

The good ones. The bad ones do considerably worse.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Ineffective Math's sGoals stat which has been posted a few times has Pionk pretty low. you can search Whileee's post history and im sure to find it from a few weeks ago.

is using on-ice stats to individually compare fwds and defenseman the really best criteria here? do you not see potential limitations or issues with this?

i swear, people apply some of these stats to seem cool and hip b/c it's 5v5.... but there's similar drawbacks in application as these on-ice stats as the vaunted traditional plus/minus.


it's ok to be a Jets fan and enjoy wins.

Was using hockeyviz and hocket reference... not really interested in arguing adv stats with @KingBogo though... if he sees spmething different thats cool

I'm convinced that the consternation about the Jets' record since the incredible start stems considerably more from the 2022/23 season and plain not paying attention to the rest of the league than anything else.

You know which other teams are hovering a little over .500 if you remove the part of the season where they're firing on all cylinders?

The good ones. The bad ones do considerably worse.

Vegas and wild are .500 teams for a while now...

 

[ps241]

And yet I would welcome him with open arms if he were in a JETS jersey and doing his Schlick against the likes of Vegas, Colorado, Dallas and Edmonton!!!!

I would really like the player but his personality is not my cup of tea. Hey I cheered for Kane’s Jersey when he played for Winnipeg so cheering for Raspberry beret’s Jersey is probably doable.

 

[Buffdog]

I'm convinced that the consternation about the Jets' record since the incredible start stems considerably more from the 2022/23 season and plain not paying attention to the rest of the league than anything else.

You know which other teams are hovering a little over .500 if you remove the part of the season where they're firing on all cylinders?

The good ones. The bad ones do considerably worse.

Two season ago, this is about the time of year where the wheels fell off.. that team never was able to right the ship

Last season, it was a little later... but they managed to go on a 7 game heater prior to shitting the bed in the playoffs

To me, that's at least moving in the right direction. Hopefully both management and the players have learned from the past two seasons

It's extremely common for teams to have to go through failures in order to learn how to succeed. There's that famous story about the oilers after losing to the isles in their 2st trip to the finals... then there the Avs being perennial playoff disappointments before winning it all

 

[Gm0ney]

I'm convinced that the consternation about the Jets' record since the incredible start stems considerably more from the 2022/23 season and plain not paying attention to the rest of the league than anything else.

You know which other teams are hovering a little over .500 if you remove the part of the season where they're firing on all cylinders?

The good ones. The bad ones do considerably worse.

I think there's a bit of a sense of waiting for the other shoe to drop just based on the Jets' recent history. The annual Dog Days of Winter Swoon. But the Jets built a huge cushion with their start and hopefully got the worst out of the way in the Pre-Christmas Swoon.

Now it's playoff anxieties...if these regular season Jets turn up, I like our chances.

 

[Bladerunner62]

It is not and was not the travel. it is and was playing against certain teams that forecheck the Jets, clog the middle and keep the forwards to the outside. No doubt the Jets are playing well enough to win the past few games without the captain. It is still going to come down to playoff matchups at the end of the day.

15 games in 15 different cities in 30 days, is not the travel. Come on pal, give your head a shake. that's an insane schedule.

 

[tbcwpg]

A Leafs fan?!

We can't all be perfect.

Two season ago, this is about the time of year where the wheels fell off.. that team never was able to right the ship

Last season, it was a little later... but they managed to go on a 7 game heater prior to shitting the bed in the playoffs

To me, that's at least moving in the right direction. Hopefully both management and the players have learned from the past two seasons

It's extremely common for teams to have to go through failures in order to learn how to succeed. There's that famous story about the oilers after losing to the isles in their 2st trip to the finals... then there the Avs being perennial playoff disappointments before winning it all

Washington perennially were booted out by the 2nd round, usually to Pittsburgh, until they figured it out and won. Carolina for all the respect they get around the league every year, generally collapse in the playoffs. They've made the conference finals twice since 2018-19, which is a decent clip, but they've been swept both times. That's why teams don't just "blow it up" when they're a consistent playoff team.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

We can't all be perfect.



Washington perennially were booted out by the 2nd round, usually to Pittsburgh, until they figured it out and won. Carolina for all the respect they get around the league every year, generally collapse in the playoffs. They've made the conference finals twice since 2018-19, which is a decent clip, but they've been swept both times. That's why teams don't just "blow it up" when they're a consistent playoff team.

Rantanen is going to make a huge difference in the playoffs for the canes... i think they make the finals

 

[voyageur]

I would really like the player but his personality is not my cup of tea. Hey I cheered for Kane’s Jersey when he played for Winnipeg so cheering for Raspberry beret’s Jersey is probably doable.

When Mackinnon says Lowry is an honest player, and Lowry injured him in the Heritage game, there's probably something there. He seems like a future Canuck or Leaf.

 

[ps241]

I understand the "once bitten, twice shy" mentality of being bounced in the first round the past couple of seasons

My hopes aren't super high for a deep playoff run, either. But I still enjoy watching the season that this team is having

Looking back at last year, at the 51 game mark the Jets had 69 points. They had yet to hit the crazy part of their schedule (they played 17 games between Feb 29 and Mar 30 - that's where the 6 game skid happened) but we're already through that patch this clear and we have 71 points

I also think the system they're playing this year is less likely to leave them burnt out (like Nino noted) come April. Everyone (except JoMo, Connor and Helle) are going to have nice long breaks to heal up their little dings.

If you look closely enough, there are some little reasons to maybe be a little optimistic

On my new enjoyable (watching maybe 50% of the games) journey I am loving this season. These are the good old days and our replacements are not necessarily in the pipeline so I am taking this golden age for what it gives me.

That being said our playoff record has been way worse than bad. Our lack of compete has been soul crushing. Being skeptical of this teams playoff chances is the most rational position. That being said every post season brings a new change to flip the script and yes that can happen here even with this core who have an allergy to White outs.

Either way I don’t care because 82 games and six months of a hockey journey through our dark winters brings me the vast majority of Jets content. I won’t let a playoffs or bust mentality be the thief of joy. The Jets have never won an NHL Stanley cup and they may never win one with all the head winds. Do I still like being a fan………..yes.

For me the journey is the destination.

 

[tbcwpg]

Rantanen is going to make a huge difference in the playoffs for the canes... i think they make the finals

We'll see, I'm in they have to prove it territory with Carolina. They're everyone's sexy pick to win it all every year and then they go out with a whimper. People said the same when they got Guentzel last year.