Post-Game Talk: Jets 4- Yotes 3 in OT

[Buffdog]

El Bono.

Boner

 

[Buffdog]

That is a fun analogy, but I do not believe the bolded is true. If you read the posts here, many people simply believe that you don't argue with success. Plus, goals-for are much easier (on the eye) to attribute to a line or player than goals-against.

In my line of work work, we expect a high degree of success every day or the consequences would be deadly. Even though we almost always "win", all our work is measured and we are expected to improve bad numbers, or explain why not. "Look how many wins we have" doesn't cut it in the real world ...but then maybe the NHL is more like House of the Dragon than a reality show after all...

I don't think that people like me are saying "don't argue with success". What I'm saying personally (so as to not put words into anyone else's mouth) is that there is a "heirchy of concern" but at the end of the day, winning is most important

I have a feeling that most people who are harping on the first line losing its matchups will simply move on to harping on something else if that were to change, simply because they are the type of person that always has to have something to harp on. It wouldn't surprise me if they are the same people crying over losing our 8th defenceman to waivers

I personally think that the Jets need to get back to the structure and team defense we saw in December. BUT the fact that they can work on that while piling up wins and points is something that I'm happy about.

Can schief and KFC be better defensively? Yes. Will I let that fact dominate my mindset while the team finds a way to win 6 out of 7? Nope. Do I find it supper annoying when people ask themselves questions and then answer them? Only when it's other people and not me

 

[JetsFan815]

 

[SUX2BU]

Wow, do you remember every stupid thing I've done and then shared with you?

I brushed a light layer of snow off the window, then scraped the ice underneath, all without hitting myself with any implements nor skidding on the icy patch behind the car. Got to campus safely, negotiated my first cup of coffee without spilling anything, and tackled today's edits with enthusiasm and grace.

It was an okay Monday until I discovered @kanadalainen's photos from Florida and, while grumbling about that, discovered a large, light stain on the leggings that I thought were clean when I pulled them on.

Now I'm wasting one of my afternoon breaks by revealing just how boring my life really is.


No estoy sorprendida...

Glad you do that

Now if a lot more city drivers clear their windows, roof and their hoods before going on their way; there would be fewer winter incidents

By the way, it will be the same tomorrow so don’t put away the snow brush yet

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Man does this dude have hands, what a goal.

Vilardi had been planting the seeds for that goal for weeks now.
If the other team is watching our "tapes" the play down low to Vilardi to pull it across the front of the net happened many many times. I think he even scored once or twice that way.
Plus that move where he actually passes it across the net.
Now he throws in the deke back against the grain to his backhand for this beauty and the goalie really needs to worry about a lot of things from that spot.
Beautiful.

 

[Snowboy]

Enjoy!
What will we do without your prose?

.......and poetry too.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Avgard posted on main board called The Laine. Priceless drivel.

The best part is the post "MODS don't you lock this" and then about 10 posts later it was locked. There wasn't even time for Matthews fans to get upset.
The thread was like a feel good love in of ridiculous proportions.
Alas it was over before it began...

 

[bustamente]

Its a lovely place. View attachment 825459This is outside the kitchen, looking down on the golf course.

 

[Gm0ney]

I don't think that people like me are saying "don't argue with success". What I'm saying personally (so as to not put words into anyone else's mouth) is that there is a "heirchy of concern" but at the end of the day, winning is most important

I have a feeling that most people who are harping on the first line losing its matchups will simply move on to harping on something else if that were to change, simply because they are the type of person that always has to have something to harp on. It wouldn't surprise me if they are the same people crying over losing our 8th defenceman to waivers

I personally think that the Jets need to get back to the structure and team defense we saw in December. BUT the fact that they can work on that while piling up wins and points is something that I'm happy about.

Can schief and KFC be better defensively? Yes. Will I let that fact dominate my mindset while the team finds a way to win 6 out of 7? Nope. Do I find it supper annoying when people ask themselves questions and then answer them? Only when it's other people and not me

Wins are definitely the goal - but how we're winning is important in terms of long-term success.

Since Bones became head coach:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
Connor-Scheifele	1127:40	2.82	2.93	2.76	3.00	53	55	-2
Ehlers-Scheifele	489:27	3.43	1.72	3.47	2.98	28	14	+14

To compare with other top C-W combos on contenders:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
MacKinnon-Rantanen	1647:19	3.72	2.77	3.19	2.69	102	76	+26
Eichel-Marchessault	710:28	3.12	2.45	2.80	2.75	37	29	+8
Eichel-Stone	522:47	4.25	2.07	3.03	2.10	37	18	+19
Reinhart-Barkov	1005:06	3.10	2.21	2.93	2.09	52	37	+15
Bergeron-Marchand	724:34	3.06	1.32	3.53	2.20	37	16	+21
Krejci-Pastrnak	721:03	3.83	1.91	2.52	2.74	46	23	+23

 

[DRW204]

Wins are definitely the goal - but how we're winning is important in terms of long-term success.

Since Bones became head coach:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
Connor-Scheifele	1127:40	2.82	2.93	2.76	3.00	53	55	-2
Ehlers-Scheifele	489:27	3.43	1.72	3.47	2.98	28	14	+14

To compare with other top C-W combos on contenders:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
MacKinnon-Rantanen	1647:19	3.72	2.77	3.19	2.69	102	76	+26
Eichel-Marchessault	710:28	3.12	2.45	2.80	2.75	37	29	+8
Eichel-Stone	522:47	4.25	2.07	3.03	2.10	37	18	+19
Reinhart-Barkov	1005:06	3.10	2.21	2.93	2.09	52	37	+15
Bergeron-Marchand	724:34	3.06	1.32	3.53	2.20	37	16	+21
Krejci-Pastrnak	721:03	3.83	1.91	2.52	2.74	46	23	+23

pretty sure this is a well-known hf poster...

 

[WolfHouse]

I still think you have to bring Nino-Names-Ehlers back.. Boner needs to move away from his hard checking line and balance the lineup again - TOI is a mess now after we were rolling 4 lines consistently in December

CSV - because it seems untouchable...
Nino-Names-Ehlers
Iafallo-Lowry-Apples
Barron-Monahan-Perfetti

Three scoring lines and your '4th line' shouldn't have to be sheltered...

 

[DRW204]

I still think you have to bring Nino-Names-Ehlers back.. Boner needs to move away from his hard checking line and balance the lineup again - TOI is a mess now after we were rolling 4 lines consistently in December

CSV - because it seems untouchable...
Nino-Names-Ehlers
Iafallo-Lowry-Apples
Barron-Monahan-Perfetti

Three scoring lines and your '4th line' shouldn't have to be sheltered...

lowry says no

 

[Romang67]

Its a lovely place. View attachment 825459This is outside the kitchen, looking down on the golf course.

Only thing keeping you safe from a gloating warning is the fact that I would end up losing like 5 balls in those hazards.

And the lack of a rule against gloating, I suppose, but that's correctable.

 

[Buffdog]

Wins are definitely the goal - but how we're winning is important in terms of long-term success.

Since Bones became head coach:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
Connor-Scheifele	1127:40	2.82	2.93	2.76	3.00	53	55	-2
Ehlers-Scheifele	489:27	3.43	1.72	3.47	2.98	28	14	+14

To compare with other top C-W combos on contenders:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
MacKinnon-Rantanen	1647:19	3.72	2.77	3.19	2.69	102	76	+26
Eichel-Marchessault	710:28	3.12	2.45	2.80	2.75	37	29	+8
Eichel-Stone	522:47	4.25	2.07	3.03	2.10	37	18	+19
Reinhart-Barkov	1005:06	3.10	2.21	2.93	2.09	52	37	+15
Bergeron-Marchand	724:34	3.06	1.32	3.53	2.20	37	16	+21
Krejci-Pastrnak	721:03	3.83	1.91	2.52	2.74	46	23	+23

OK, nobody is disputing any of this. Personally, my issue is that if you replace Connor with ehlers on the top line, what does that do to the second line?

Connor and Schief are a saw-off with other teams in terms of actual goals at even strength. If you care to, why not run what happens to Connor on the second line when Ehlers is bumped up?

It would probably be tough to find data on that this year, but IIRC he had a great stretches with PLD which shows that Bones isn't completely adverse to separating him from schief, as long as the chemistry and the matchups allow for it

I think the fundamental disagreement I'm having with posters surrounds the necessity of having a dominant top line. I think the org is looking to win with depth (multpiple lines winning matchups instead of just the 1st), structure and strong goaltending. Winning special teams battles would be a bonus

 

[Snowboy]

Jets made the playoffs in 2017?

It was 2019 then.......when they ended the season with 99 points, after busting their buts to get into the playoffs only to be booted out first round by the Blues.......They came into that series exhausted from the run-up, thus the need to pace your season.........I thought Wheeler's lungs would spill out on the ice in that game.

 

[WolfHouse]

OK, nobody is disputing any of this. Personally, my issue is that if you replace Connor with ehlers on the top line, what does that do to the second line?

Connor and Schief are a saw-off with other teams in terms of actual goals at even strength. If you care to, why not run what happens to Connor on the second line when Ehlers is bumped up?

It would probably be tough to find data on that this year, but IIRC he had a great stretches with PLD which shows that Bones isn't completely adverse to separating him from schief, as long as the chemistry and the matchups allow for it

I think the fundamental disagreement I'm having with posters surrounds the necessity of having a dominant top line. I think the org is looking to win with depth (multpiple lines winning matchups instead of just the 1st), structure and strong goaltending. Winning special teams battles would be a bonus

I'd take it one step further... its not KFC or Ehlers that is the problem - its that Scheif has changed his game... he's back to taking long shifts, stick checking and gliding off the ice

Then you combine that with CSV getting 20 mins of icetime - mid-six is around 13-14 mins and 4th line 8 mins... we are back to Paul Maurice hockey.

Going back... we had full buy-in from every line and I think that influence the top line more than the other way around... now the top line is free styling - and its trickled down the roster

If one guy isn't playing the system, its tricky - if two guys on your top line are not playing it, it crashes the entire system because everyone is playing catchup when they get on the ice

 

[BoneDocUK]

OK, nobody is disputing any of this. Personally, my issue is that if you replace Connor with ehlers on the top line, what does that do to the second line?

Connor and Schief are a saw-off with other teams in terms of actual goals at even strength. If you care to, why not run what happens to Connor on the second line when Ehlers is bumped up?

It would probably be tough to find data on that this year, but IIRC he had a great stretches with PLD which shows that Bones isn't completely adverse to separating him from schief, as long as the chemistry and the matchups allow for it

I think the fundamental disagreement I'm having with posters surrounds the necessity of having a dominant top line. I think the org is looking to win with depth (multpiple lines winning matchups instead of just the 1st), structure and strong goaltending. Winning special teams battles would be a bonus

I agree with you that balance and winning with structure and depth is exactly what the team should be aiming for, since it's the approach that took them to the top of the league and is more likely to carry them through the POs than the old Helle + shooting % + close yer eyes and pray approach of 2019 - 23 that got them to the POs and no further.

I'm not sure that the execution of that plan at the moment is working out the way they're hoping, though maybe as Monahan beds in we something closer to balanced lines -- and less Top 6 Iafallo.

I'd really like to see Nino get a shot with Monahan and Ehlers -- he's much sharper in the NZ and OZ than Al. Yeah, tears for the Great Lowry Line, but honestly they're not lighting the lamp as consistently and Iafallo can forecheck and hustle plenty.

Also, it's a discussion board. Folks gonna cheer, folks gonna moan. I reckon it's better overall to just scroll past the moans (or the cheers, or both) rather clogging up the feed moaning about the moaners or the glass half-fullers and just talk about the team on the ice already. Otherwise, MoanSquared.

Thus ends this brief and well-meant calling out of the callers-out who call out the callers-out for calling out the callers-out who called out in the first place. To say nothing of the outcallers like myself who still do house calls. Sometimes.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Wins are definitely the goal - but how we're winning is important in terms of long-term success.

Since Bones became head coach:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
Connor-Scheifele	1127:40	2.82	2.93	2.76	3.00	53	55	-2
Ehlers-Scheifele	489:27	3.43	1.72	3.47	2.98	28	14	+14

To compare with other top C-W combos on contenders:

	5v5 TOI	GF/60	GA/60	xGF/60	xGA/60	GF	GA	+/-
MacKinnon-Rantanen	1647:19	3.72	2.77	3.19	2.69	102	76	+26
Eichel-Marchessault	710:28	3.12	2.45	2.80	2.75	37	29	+8
Eichel-Stone	522:47	4.25	2.07	3.03	2.10	37	18	+19
Reinhart-Barkov	1005:06	3.10	2.21	2.93	2.09	52	37	+15
Bergeron-Marchand	724:34	3.06	1.32	3.53	2.20	37	16	+21
Krejci-Pastrnak	721:03	3.83	1.91	2.52	2.74	46	23	+23

Can you find Chapman's, Chevy's and Bowness' email addresses and send this to them?

 

[Jets 31]

I don't think that people like me are saying "don't argue with success". What I'm saying personally (so as to not put words into anyone else's mouth) is that there is a "heirchy of concern" but at the end of the day, winning is most important

I have a feeling that most people who are harping on the first line losing its matchups will simply move on to harping on something else if that were to change, simply because they are the type of person that always has to have something to harp on. It wouldn't surprise me if they are the same people crying over losing our 8th defenceman to waivers

I personally think that the Jets need to get back to the structure and team defense we saw in December. BUT the fact that they can work on that while piling up wins and points is something that I'm happy about.

Can schief and KFC be better defensively? Yes. Will I let that fact dominate my mindset while the team finds a way to win 6 out of 7? Nope. Do I find it supper annoying when people ask themselves questions and then answer them? Only when it's other people and not me

This is how i feel as well, we aren't winning all the corsi but we are still winning. I honestly think some on here would be happy with a 36-15-5 coach being fired right now. And i get spotting problems in our game but sometimes it feels like we have just been pumped 10-0 in games we have actually won . Anyway it is a discussion board so everyone is allowed to have their opinion, now i will shut the hell up .

 

[Buffdog]

I agree with you that balance and winning with structure and depth is exactly what the team should be aiming for, since it's the approach that took them to the top of the league and is more likely to carry them through the POs than the old Helle + shooting % + close yer eyes and pray approach of 2019 - 23 that got them to the POs and no further.

I'm not sure that the execution of that plan at the moment is working out the way they're hoping, though maybe as Monahan beds in we something closer to balanced lines -- and less Top 6 Iafallo.

I'd really like to see Nino get a shot with Monahan and Ehlers -- he's much sharper in the NZ and OZ than Al. Yeah, tears for the Great Lowry Line, but honestly they're not lighting the lamp as consistently and Iafallo can forecheck and hustle plenty.

Also, it's a discussion board. Folks gonna cheer, folks gonna moan. I reckon it's better overall to just scroll past the moans (or the cheers, or both) rather clogging up the feed moaning about the moaners or the glass half-fullers and just talk about the team on the ice already. Otherwise, MoanSquared.

Thus ends this brief and well-meant calling out of the callers-out who call out the callers-out for calling out the callers-out who called out in the first place. To say nothing of the outcallers like myself who still do house calls. Sometimes.

 

[DRW204]

kc-scheifele-iafallo weren't exactly lighting the world on fire to start the year, hovering around even but;
the lowry line was producing (11 GF first 22 gp)
the namestnikov line was producing

now, CSV has been hovering around even in GF vs GA similarly to CSI but
the lowry line has not been producing (which may really be argued as the 2nd line)
the other 2nd line has been hit or miss (usually miss)

honestly i feel like the 2nd line had a better rate of chances or GF w/ namestnikov on it w/ either perfetti, iafallo or ehlers.

the 4th line in both instances really just doing cardio out there.

 

[Buffdog]

Can you find Chapman's, Chevy's and Bowness' email addresses and send this to them?

You don't think they know? That plus 1000 things we don't?

There's a reason NHL teams don't start their searches for new head coaches by scouring all anonymous internet hockey forums for candidates

 

[Gm0ney]

Only thing keeping you safe from a gloating warning is the fact that I would end up losing like 5 balls in those hazards.

And the lack of a rule against gloating, I suppose, but that's correctable.

Just wade in an retrieve those balls - it's only about 5 alligators deep...

 

[Buffdog]

kc-scheifele-iafallo weren't exactly lighting the world on fire to start the year, hovering around even but;
the lowry line was producing (11 GF first 22 gp)
the namestnikov line was producing

now, CSV has been hovering around even in GF vs GA similarly to CSI but
the lowry line has not been producing (which may really be argued as the 2nd line)
the other 2nd line has been hit or miss (usually miss)

honestly i feel like the 2nd line had a better rate of chances or GF w/ namestnikov on it w/ either perfetti, iafallo or ehlers.

the 4th line in both instances really just doing cardio out there.

I'd actually love to see rolling 5 game averages of every forwards stats covering the whole season

There is much handwringing about the top line's underlyjng numbers recently but my eye test tells the entire line up has dropped off as much or more as it has.

I think it all goes back to buy in, effort level, structure, etc over who is on who's line

 

[Jets 31]

So I spent 10 minutes scraping snow and ice off my car, drove to campus, opened up my laptop to this charming photograph and also a notice that tomorrow it will be -28C in Winnipeg.

And to think that I used to enjoy @kanadalainen .....