Post-Game Talk: Jets 4 - Sens 2

[TS Quint]

Good to see we have pages of Stanley getting raked because he was left alone on a 3 on 1 on the PK. I could only imagine what this would look like if he got burned on a brutal pinch at his own blue line, fell down and took a penalty.

 

[LowLefty]

The only reason I'm in the "anti-Stan" club is because he's been given so much rope to prove his ceiling, but Heinola has never gotten that same rope despite having the higher ceiling. It feels like the organization is constantly trying to validate that one draft pick to the exclusion of all else. It's frustrating to watch.

Or maybe they see a need for a big dman on the blueline and they are working hard to try to make that happen.
I'd see that as more of a possibility than the org thinking they need to validate anything that would not be in the best interest of the team.

 

[scelaton]

I actually think that's a bullshit argument. Chevy has made mistakes but I don't think he's ever put ego over team performance.

I think that Heinola just has had some really shit luck and bad timing.

I agree that Chevy is not at all the type to put ego over performance. So, what could be other reasons for him seemingly sticking with Stanley when it seems to many (but not all) here like a bad idea with significant lost opportunities for the team?

The most obvious answer is that he/they know something we don't know about player development and the impact of size in the playoffs.

The sunk cost fallacy/bias is another reason and is closely related to the Jets loyalty bias.

It is even possible that Chevy relates personally to Stanley, having been drafted as a big, tough D in the first round but never having the chance to make it himself, due to injury.

Who knows--just having a bit of fun here, on a rare day when I have some time on my hands. The bottom line is that we are all human and prone to making decisions that, in retrospect, don't make a lot of sense.

 

[raideralex99]

The only reason I'm in the "anti-Stan" club is because he's been given so much rope to prove his ceiling, but Heinola has never gotten that same rope despite having the higher ceiling. It feels like the organization is constantly trying to validate that one draft pick to the exclusion of all else. It's frustrating to watch.

Totally agree here.
I have no problem with any players making mistakes everyone does it and lots of times I give credit to the other team for making a great play. Lately thou I have been crapping on Stanley because every game he makes more mistakes than good plays and some of them are comical too.
How many years has Stanley been with the Jets?
This is the first year where I have been down on him. He should be improving right?
I have not said anything negative on Heinola (ok maybe his size) because he has only played 46 games compared to Stanley's 162 games.
In the end it is silly to complain about a player when the team has the best record in the league so I promise no more Stanley bashing from me.
Back to happy happy joy joy.

 

[Moloch]

Hearing from Mike Mcintyre that Lowry got injured during practice today..

 

[raideralex99]

This made me laugh from the Senators board, I can't wait until Helly retires.

That's what I said about Gretkzy when the Jets were in the Smythe Division ... man did I hate that guy.

Hearing from Mike Mcintyre that Lowry got injured during practice today..

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Coach says he likes the way Stanley moves the puck out of the zone, that was a great example

I've been harping away at Stan for 8 years. (Nothing personal Stan) But I have quite often stopped to acknowledge that he is not completely useless. The biggest problem with him is quickness. Lack of top end speed shows up only rarely so I don't see that as the issue. It is lack of foot speed and sometimes brain speed. Teams that attack with speed and forecheck with speed will defeat him. See Avs last PO.

The problem is not Stanley himself. He would be an adequate 6/7 tweener if we didn't have any better options or hadn't lost better players in order to keep him.

So coach finding reasons to praise him is OK. There are real reasons.

 

[Jets 31]

That's what I said about Gretkzy when the Jets were in the Smythe Division ... man did I hate that guy.

Hopefully Lurch is ok .

 

[Jets 31]

We were down 2-0

Yes, down 2-0 and we came back from a 2 goal deficit.

 

[Howard Chuck]

It’s really telling that our main discussion revolves around who is going to be on our bottom pair D.

Nice that this is our biggest issue.

 

[Jet]

I agree that Chevy is not at all the type to put ego over performance. So, what could be other reasons for him seemingly sticking with Stanley when it seems to many (but not all) here like a bad idea with significant lost opportunities for the team?

The most obvious answer is that he/they know something we don't know about player development and the impact of size in the playoffs.

The sunk cost fallacy/bias is another reason and is closely related to the Jets loyalty bias.

It is even possible that Chevy relates personally to Stanley, having been drafted as a big, tough D in the first round but never having the chance to make it himself, due to injury.

Who knows--just having a bit of fun here, on a rare day when I have some time on my hands. The bottom line is that we are all human and prone to making decisions that, in retrospect, don't make a lot of sense.

Interesting and thoughtful pondering, indeed!

Probably part of my inherent bias for supporting guys like Stan, Forbort, Bogosian etc. is that I'm a big physical plug defenseman

Hopefully Lurch is ok .

We've been very lucky not to experience what it would be like to be Lowryless for any real stretch of time. I don't think we'd like it - he's really the straw that stirs the Jets drink.

 

[snowkiddin]

The Stanley/Heinola debate is tiresome.

Stanley is a decent seventh D who has gotten an insane amount of rope. Heinola looks like a decent seventh D who hasn’t shown much more in the much-shorter length of rope he’s been given.

IMO neither should be in the Jets starting lineup when healthy. I suspect Stan will be in over Heinola and Fleury, so may as well just deal with it. I’m not gonna let who the team plays at the #6 D position impact my enjoyment of watching the team when I’m sure it has a marginal impact on the team’s W/L record.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

The Stanley/Heinola debate is tiresome.

Stanley is a decent seventh D who has gotten an insane amount of rope. Heinola looks like a decent seventh D who hasn’t shown much more in the much-shorter length of rope he’s been given.

IMO neither should be in the Jets starting lineup when healthy. I suspect Stan will be in over Heinola and Fleury, so may as well just deal with it. I’m not gonna let who the team plays at the #6 D position impact my enjoyment of watching the team when I’m sure it has a marginal impact on the team’s W/L record.

You may be correct but Fleury's usage in Samberg's absence seems to say otherwise.
Fleury played top 4 minutes until his injury.
During that time Stan was on the bottom pair and even hung out in the press box a bit.

I would assume that Haydn has earned a place above both Stanley and Heinola at this point but that's just my assumption.

I know Samberg is close so hopefully he's back in for the Avs game or sooner!!!

 

[BoneDocUK]

The Stanley/Heinola debate is tiresome.

Stanley is a decent seventh D who has gotten an insane amount of rope. Heinola looks like a decent seventh D who hasn’t shown much more in the much-shorter length of rope he’s been given.

IMO neither should be in the Jets starting lineup when healthy. I suspect Stan will be in over Heinola and Fleury, so may as well just deal with it. I’m not gonna let who the team plays at the #6 D position impact my enjoyment of watching the team when I’m sure it has a marginal impact on the team’s W/L record.

Well put. Fleury has shown well and should be in over either Stan or Ville at this point. Has done more over more varied situations and plays a reliable game for the most part.

Stan is what he is. Ville may develop into a useful PMD but it’s a position the Jets don’t really need now or in the near future — especially with a likely Pionk re-signing.

More likely than a Ville or Stan breakout is a TDL add if previous years are anything to go by.

Anyway, team is winning and Sambergs return is nigh hopefully so here’s to a very Jetsy new year.

 

[howkie]

Remember we lost 2 better D-men over Stanley die waivers

 

[Adam da bomb]

Remember we lost 2 better D-men over Stanley die waivers

And montreal practically gave away that D too and now he is getting his revenge.

 

[KingBogo]

You may be correct but Fleury's usage in Samberg's absence seems to say otherwise.
Fleury played top 4 minutes until his injury.
During that time Stan was on the bottom pair and even hung out in the press box a bit.

I would assume that Haydn has earned a place above both Stanley and Heinola at this point but that's just my assumption.

I know Samberg is close so hopefully he's back in for the Avs game or sooner!!!

I think at this point it is clear the LHD pecking order is Morrissey, Samberg and Fleury with Stan and Heinola fighting it out for injury fill in scraps. The bigger question is if Chevy tries to land a player that pushes Fleury down.

 

[ps241]

Interesting and thoughtful pondering, indeed!

Probably part of my inherent bias for supporting guys like Stan, Forbort, Bogosian etc. is that I'm a big physical plug defenseman


We've been very lucky not to experience what it would be like to be Lowryless for any real stretch of time. I don't think we'd like it - he's really the straw that stirs the Jets drink.

Building a hockey team takes guys that can play different roles. I don’t think there has ever been a NHL hockey team that couldn’t figure out how to use Adam Lowry effectively on their team.

 

[TS Quint]

Remember we lost 2 better D-men over Stanley die waivers

I don't remember that. Please explain

 

[Jet]

I don't remember that. Please explain

Yeah, this should be good.

 

[Bob E]

I think at this point it is clear the LHD pecking order is Morrissey, Samberg and Fleury with Stan and Heinola fighting it out for injury fill in scraps. The bigger question is if Chevy tries to land a player that pushes Fleury down.

Though I agree with you, I think the Jets want Stan in the bottom pairing regardless. They know Stan can’t play top 4 minutes, so Fleury moved up, but Stan is their choice for bottom pairing.

Therefore if everyone is healthy, I think they see the LHD pecking order as:

Morrissey
Samberg
Stanley
Fleury
Heinola

Question is who do they waive to send to the Moose when everyone is healthy.

 

[voyageur]

Though I agree with you, I think the Jets want Stan in the bottom pairing regardless. They know Stan can’t play top 4 minutes, so Fleury moved up, but Stan is their choice for bottom pairing.

Therefore if everyone is healthy, I think they see the LHD pecking order as:

Morrissey
Samberg
Stanley
Fleury
Heinola

Question is who do they waive to send to the Moose when everyone is healthy.

Room for everyone and Cap space to add to the 23 man roster after the deadline when rosters can expanded. Coghlan so far has been the only waiver choice the Jets had to make since the season started.

I still think Fleury is ahead of Stan on the road, unless it is a tougher team on the schedule. Stanley's injuries have been timely in this regard. Also makes me wonder what the extent of his injuries are. Since he's had 3 so far this year.

 

[howkie]

I don't remember that. Please explain

Love my phone, meant due waivers, but Chisholm and Kovacevic, both actually able to play and fill in for top4 minutes and dont look lost.

 

[Cnile]

So, does Comrie get the start against the Preds?

I know the philosophy of B2B and the importance of winning the first game but is it fair to throw Little Eric out there against the Avs?

Ottawa's AHL goalie last night should provide sufficient warning.

Eric gets paid to be a backup and should be counted upon to win a few games here and there, even/especially divisional games.
He’s played ok but he needs to win more.
Helle again is playing a shit ton of games and we can only hope he has some fuel left in his tank for post season.
Anyone else concerned that history is repeating itself?

 

[Thechozen1]

Just got back from the game. I'm now 3 for 3 when attending a game this season.

Jets should invite me to all the home games so we won't lose.

Just go to all their playoff games HOME and AWAY!!!