Post-Game Talk: Jets 4 - Sens 2

[Howard Chuck]

I’d like to see how pp operates if you take away any one piece. What does pp look like without villardi, schief, Connor, mo. Hopefully you won’t and everyone else stay healthy.

Fair enough. It just looks completely different to me with Ehlers there.

 

[bustamente]

Great break out pass. Give it to ehlers and let ehlers do all the work. It was a nice break out pass.
If Heinola had done that we would have gone nuts around here.

Coach says he likes the way Stanley moves the puck out of the zone, that was a great example

 

[Adam da bomb]

Fair enough. It just looks completely different to me with Ehlers there.

It does and we are very lucky to have him there. He is an important part of the top unit in the league. An equally important part.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Coach says he likes the way Stanley moves the puck out of the zone, that was a great example

With the way the team is performing, it makes no sense to not listen to Arniel.

 

[CorgisPer60]

The only reason I'm in the "anti-Stan" club is because he's been given so much rope to prove his ceiling, but Heinola has never gotten that same rope despite having the higher ceiling. It feels like the organization is constantly trying to validate that one draft pick to the exclusion of all else. It's frustrating to watch.

 

[surixon]

IMO, Ehlers is the difference maker on the PP. I’d like to see the PP success rate with and without Ehlers in the lineup this year.

If I remember correctly, we had a killer PP until Ehlers went down, then everyone went stagnant and static again. Ehlers comes back plays his usual chaotic game and shakes the whole thing up, pulling the PK out of position.

He is incredibly valuable even if he doesn’t score or set up a beauty.

They crafted that hybrid bumper position exactly for him and it shows. When Cole was there they had him playing a more traditional bumper role. Once Ehlers went back there it went right back to the hybrid one where is roaming is encouraged. Good coaching by the pp coach.

 

[Adam da bomb]

The only reason I'm in the "anti-Stan" club is because he's been given so much rope to prove his ceiling, but Heinola has never gotten that same rope despite having the higher ceiling. It feels like the organization is constantly trying to validate that one draft pick to the exclusion of all else. It's frustrating to watch.

But isn’t that also timing? Heinola has received an unfair hand with injuries, he is trying to come in when the team is competing for 1st in league and Stan is more experienced. If it was the opposite that Heinola was the vet they wouldn’t be bumping him so Stan could get in the line up.
Stan got in at the right time, which is often the case in everything in life.
They are not willing to see this as an experimental time because of league position and their 3 year window with schief and Helly.

 

[bustamente]

The only reason I'm in the "anti-Stan" club is because he's been given so much rope to prove his ceiling, but Heinola has never gotten that same rope despite having the higher ceiling. It feels like the organization is constantly trying to validate that one draft pick to the exclusion of all else. It's frustrating to watch.

That's on Chevy he moved up and reached and wants to be proven right

 

[Buffdog]

I remember that assist: passed it to Ehlers while in his zone and it was Ehlers who skated up the ice and scored

Stan also played a 2 on 1 coming down the Jets way perfectly, leading to no scoring chance immediately before that very nice pass to Ehlers

 

[Stumbledore]

So, does Comrie get the start against the Preds?

I know the philosophy of B2B and the importance of winning the first game but is it fair to throw Little Eric out there against the Avs?

Ottawa's AHL goalie last night should provide sufficient warning.

 

[surixon]

Totally agree. He is doing everything but scoring at a high rate, and looks great doing it. Super smart and he is much faster as well.


I’m really enjoying every minute of this. We haven’t seen a season like this in Winnipeg and who knows how long it will last.

Drink it in while we can.

The foundation is there now with Cole. He's turning into a very good all around player that you didn't notice a difference in play between him at wing and center last night.

Not worried about points, those will really start to come as he continues to get more experienced and continues to impose his will on games.

I like that each player in our top 6 has a unique set of skills.

 

[bustamente]

Koal trending up, Heinola trending out of the lineup

 

[KingBogo]

Fair enough. It just looks completely different to me with Ehlers there.

I give the biggest credit to coaching. Our PP is so much more dynamic creating open space and having players backfill for each other. Arniel talked a little bit about this yesterday. Also how they adjust this rotation to the defensive system the other team plays.

 

[KingBogo]

So, does Comrie get the start against the Preds?

I know the philosophy of B2B and the importance of winning the first game but is it fair to throw Little Eric out there against the Avs?

Ottawa's AHL goalie last night should provide sufficient warning.

They might default to what is easier on Helly’s workload. Starting at home after a day off rather than having to start after a long travel on a B2B. The team is unlikely to get to the hotel until the middle of the night.

 

[surixon]

I give the biggest credit to coaching. Our PP is so much more dynamic creating open space and having players backfill for each other. Arniel talked a little bit about this yesterday. Also how they adjust this rotation to the defensive system the other team plays.

Seems Arniel was the right person to take what Bones laid and expand upon it.

I'm glad he's running with the opportunity. He also hired the right assistants and looks to have given them autonomy to do their jobs.

 

[Whileee]

Real nice win against a red hot team. Team played well top to bottom.

Helle was great, made the key saves when he needed to.

Thought this might have been the best the Ville/Stanley pairing has looked. Both seemed to read well off of each other after the first handful of shifts. Ville is getting more and more confident with the puck on his stick. Stanley was making the right reads and some nice passes. He also was allowed to play his physical game infront and it made a big difference.

Miller was a bit out of sorts on his offside but Pionk played well and carried that pairing.

JoMo and DeMelo look back in sync again. Real nice game by that pairing. JoMo should get a Norris nod.

Top line continues to be on fire. Some real nice puck and player movement/interchanges. Scheifele should be first up for Team Canada.

Second line had a nice game as well and with a bit more luck have more then the one goal they scored. Cole's game continues to mature in a very positive and all around way. He contributes positively even when not scoring. Whether it was by design or due to a knock to Namestnikov he pretty much played center the entire last two periods and looked very good doing it. I would like to see him get a run there as his game might now be mature enough to seize the role. Ehlers was flying again and forced the Sens to back off and he made them pay.

Third line with a typical third line.

Fourth line was good in limited minutes.

Nice summary. Perfetti has continued to elevate his play. He took some face-offs last night. I wonder if the Jets might give him a bit of run at C and consider moving a bigger winger to that line with Fetts and Ehlers.

 

[Buffdog]

The only reason I'm in the "anti-Stan" club is because he's been given so much rope to prove his ceiling, but Heinola has never gotten that same rope despite having the higher ceiling. It feels like the organization is constantly trying to validate that one draft pick to the exclusion of all else. It's frustrating to watch.

Stanley and Heinola have had very different post-draft development paths, but at the end of the day, Stanley "made" the NHL in his D+5 season and Ville in his D+6. You could argue that he needed an extra season just based on body types alone

But in addition to that, Ville really got f***ed over during the covid seasons. In both 2019-20 (total of 40 games played) and 2020-21 (total of 43 games played), his play was spread over 3 different teams in three different leagues

Add his injury troubles on top of all that

 

[surixon]

Nice summary. Perfetti has continued to elevate his play. He took some face-offs last night. I wonder if the Jets might give him a bit of run at C and consider moving a bigger winger to that line with Fetts and Ehlers.

I noticed that when Ehlers was out he was taking on more and more of the defensive responsibilities of his line as well as learning to drive it offensively. I'm wondering if the plan was always to get him comfortable and then slowly increase his responsibilities as he showed he could handle them with the goal of ultimately converting him back to center.

Wouldn't that make life so much easier for Chevy at the deadline if Cole is able to thrive in the role. I agree that a big gritty forward that can get to the paint would complement him and fly well.

 

[Jet]

That's on Chevy he moved up and reached and wants to be proven right

I actually think that's a bullshit argument. Chevy has made mistakes but I don't think he's ever put ego over team performance.

I think that Heinola just has had some really shit luck and bad timing.

 

[voyageur]

Koal trending up, Heinola trending out of the lineup

I just thought this would be a tough matchup for Ville. Not a lot of teams have the physicality up front that the Sens do.

I'd really like to see the kid hit someone though. I don't know if you can play effective defense in the NHL without playing the body. Phil Housley is probably the ceiling there, but he was - alot for his career

 

[Flair Hay]

I noticed that when Ehlers was out he was taking on more and more of the defensive responsibilities of his line as well as learning to drive it offensively. I'm wondering if the plan was always to get him comfortable and then slowly increase his responsibilities as he showed he could handle them with the goal of ultimately converting him back to center.

Wouldn't that make life so much easier for Chevy at the deadline if Cole is able to thrive in the role. I agree that a big gritty forward that can get to the paint would complement him and fly well.

Perfetti has always measured well defensively. Him and Namestnikov are strong in the neutral zone. They are pretty much a shut down line we don't play as a shut down line. Perfetti us still slowly getting better and better. He is not a guy anyone should worry about imo

 

[Jets 31]

This made me laugh from the Senators board, I can't wait until Helly retires.

 

[DRW204]

I thought Perfetti was playing really well and was dangerous. Once that kid puts it together and puts on more man size he might be scary.

He had some good plays without the puck last night and was getting a bit physical which was nice to see. imo they have two of really good support guys, and one guy who is dynamic offensively on that line. I think they can use another consistent threat on offense. whether it be C or Wing though not sure, depends who is available.

Great break out pass. Give it to ehlers and let ehlers do all the work. It was a nice break out pass.
If Heinola had done that we would have gone nuts around here.

yup so true. ppl in the game day thread were actually applauding heinola's whiffs on offense last night. such a joke with the hypocrisy.

how many posts did we have to read through about stanley's useless point shots that lead to nothing. meanwhile, heinola can barely get a dangerous shot off, but it's all good!

 

[DRW204]

Would you keep Stanley over him? Legit asking.

Given Stanley's development time and opportunity vs. Heinola, do you keep Stan instead?

I don't think the Jets really have a burning need for another smallish, puck moving defenseman, but if we end up parting ways with Pionk after the season maybe Heinola fits that role a bit better??

think the answer is keep neither, and someone better at 3LD heading into the POs

 

[SUX2BU]

Nice 2 goal comeback, 1st line and PP played very good and another good job by the Lowry line against Ottawa's first line. Oh and Helly was Helly, now we boogie.

We were down 2-0