Post-Game Talk: Jets 4 - Habs 1

[GeorgeJETson]

is the world about to end? moneypuck never likes the jets

So, we're now guaranteed to lose in the first round?

 

[Buffdog]

The end result though was Stanley broke even with Pionk, while Fleury was - a few there. Ideally you get past the deadline and there is someone better to promote into the top 4. I think the whole RD Stanley experiment is measuring the impact of his shot and defensive chops vs. Miller's to make a different kind of competition and depth on the right side, while keeping a skater on the left side, to have speed coming from all 3 pairings.

Here's the pairings that we've tried so far (minum 50 minutes at 5v5, which is about 3 games for a bottom pairing)

I chose xGF% (since I've been told that being on the ice for actual goals for and actual goals against is just a matter of "luck"), but I'll wait for @Gm0ney to come around and criticize it since the results won't match his narrative. He'll tell us which stat we SHOULD use so that he can be "right"

From that, i think it's clear that Miller should be 3RD. All the lefties struggle with each other to some degree. That said, Fleury seems to drag everyone else down (Miller, Stanley and Pionk all have their worst results with him)

I'd like to see more of Heinola - Miller to see what's there, but it seems to me like there isn't any case to be made for Stanley being so bad as to not be in the line up with Miller

Edit: I'd still be looking for an upgrade on Stanley to be competitive

 

[MardyBum]

I think Miller is a guy the Jets are trying to keep healthy for the playoffs. Stanley might get the start over him if he can be reasonably effective, but it would be a short leash. Both have the cannons from the point, but Stan has been better at getting them through, since switching to a shooting position in the offensive zone. I'd be interested to see what the stats say about who the better passer is. Defending in his zone Miller is much less prone to breakdowns.

I think the experiment is moving Stanley ahead of Heinola on the right side. I also think it has something to do with Josh getting beat up in a stretch, and wanting to have 5 PKers in the lineup, so Josh doesn't have to rotate in with a d-man in the box. It could be argued that Heinola might be as effective as Stanley on the PK, but is unproven, but at this point I think it's just being big, coupled with the loss of Adam Lowry, and giving Josh less wear and tear that is working in Stanley's favour. Does he play the final games down the stretch after the trade deadline? So far it's not certain by any means. It's up to Stan to prove his worth to this team before the deadline.

What does this mean? They've healthy scratched a guy over another to keep him healthy months from now? That's the plan?

Why are they "experimenting" with Stanley on the right side now when they forced Heinola to play the right side or sit(along with Coghlan) to allow Stanley to play his strong side? Wasn't that the time to do it with Miller, who is again better than them all, injured?

Stanley is bad on the PK.

Wear and tear? Fleury and Stanley played less than EVERY other player against Montreal. Less than the 4th line. Those two, the lowest. You know what that means? More minutes for the other 2 pairs.

He seems to be their #5, can knock anyone out of either side. No one seems to be able to explain it outside "he's big and he fights" but he sucks at accomplishing both of those.

 

[voyageur]

What does this mean? They've healthy scratched a guy over another to keep him healthy months from now? That's the plan?

Why are they "experimenting" with Stanley on the right side now when they forced Heinola to play the right side or sit(along with Coghlan) to allow Stanley to play his strong side? Wasn't that the time to do it with Miller, who is again better than them all, injured?

Stanley is bad on the PK.

Wear and tear? Fleury and Stanley played less than EVERY other player against Montreal. Less than the 4th line. Those two, the lowest. You know what that means? More minutes for the other 2 pairs.

He seems to be their #5, can knock anyone out of either side. No one seems to be able to explain it outside "he's big and he fights" but he sucks at accomplishing both of those.

I meant PK sir. Since Morrissey crashed into the net there, and then got ill, seems like the Jets want 5 PKers besides him in the lineup. Don't disagree that Stan isn't good out there, but he's out there, and Morrissey isn't so that's a break from the hardest shifts in hockey. Which gives him a greater 5 on 5 impact. Miller hasn't been on the PK much because he's not comfortable on his offside. Also don't know how great he is feeling after a fractured larynx.

I think there's probably some logic there from Scott Arniel, a coach who really thinks the game. I'd suspect there is some kind of strategy.

Maybe Fleury being in the lineup with Stan is to have another PKer too if Stan has to scrap. Which he likely will tomorrow, and maybe Saturday too.

 

[Buffdog]

What does this mean? They've healthy scratched a guy over another to keep him healthy months from now? That's the plan?

Why are they "experimenting" with Stanley on the right side now when they forced Heinola to play the right side or sit(along with Coghlan) to allow Stanley to play his strong side? Wasn't that the time to do it with Miller, who is again better than them all, injured?

Stanley is bad on the PK.

Wear and tear? Fleury and Stanley played less than EVERY other player against Montreal. Less than the 4th line. Those two, the lowest. You know what that means? More minutes for the other 2 pairs.

He seems to be their #5, can knock anyone out of either side. No one seems to be able to explain it outside "he's big and he fights" but he sucks at accomplishing both of those.

Fleury is a better option on the PK, but Stanley is better 5v5 (see above post)

The problem is that Samberg and Pionk are OK on the PK, then it drops off. Yes Stan is bad, but not way out of line from JoMo and Demelo, for example. xGF is bad for Stan (just unlucky?) but the shot metrics are strikingly similar for all the d men

What's really interesting is that Miller has only played 7 minutes on the PK for some reason this year.

 

[TS Quint]

If thats the level that youre holding kova to then stanley has had zero good games in his career...

SDS. Everything needs to be about Stanley for you LMAO. I don't even understand what you are saying you are trying to shoehorn him in so hard into this comment.

Me: Kovacevic was worth a 4th 2 years after leaving the Jets.

You: then Stanley has had no good games.


We really need to separate all Stanley conversations to one thread. People are so obsessed with him they feel the need to force every comment to be about him.

 

[TS Quint]

Those of us who were following him in Montreal knew he was an NHL regular d-man who actually moved the needle the right way, he had been consistently putting up great performances since moving off of the Jets including his time at Montreal. Infact many posters used to point out his good performance with the Habs, which many would handwaive as "but the Habs are shit, they have no better options to play in the top-4" or some variation thereof.

Great work by NJ acquiring him and getting 1 year of value out of where he is giving you top-4 performances for league minimum against the cap. There's a reason Habs are a bottom dweller and NJ is a cup contender.

A broken clock is right twice a day. There are always a handful of people who just want the Jets to be wrong about every decision. I'm sure these are the same people who said Petan and Niku were mistakes by the Jets too. Now you want to say the whole league was wrong .

If you think the Devils are on top of the league because of Kovacevic and not because they sucked for a decade is don't know what to tell you.

 

[Guardian17]

 

[Jets 31]

So out of 32 teams only 14 are in the plus side of goals for / against and 5 of those are only single digit. Jets lead the NHL at +59 And that's with Stanley playing to boot.

 

[Cnile]

So out of 32 teams only 14 are in the plus side of goals for / against and 5 of those are only single digit. Jets lead the NHL at +59 And that's with Stanley playing to boot.

The first line has put up amazing offensive numbers this season.

Helle is the main reason for the low GA
Montreal game for example …first period, he shut the door when we couldn’t get out of neutral.
Not many goalies can give you that consistency.
We have seen Helle do that for several seasons ( boy it’s going to suck when he retires, we are very spoiled )

Other the JoMo especially and Pionk to some extent there has been inconsistency on the blue line.
DeMelo was bad for a long stretch.
Samberg has had a few stinky games plus injury time.
Stanley is what he is and while he has the occasional good game he has terrible games.
Calgary game decent.
Montreal game beyond awful.
Most of the time inconsistent.
No sense in sweating it, he’s TNSE’s big guy

 

[Jets 31]

The first line has put up amazing offensive numbers this season.

Helle is the main reason for the low GA
Montreal game for example …first period, he shut the door when we couldn’t get out of neutral.
Not many goalies can give you that consistency.
We have seen Helle do that for several seasons ( boy it’s going to suck when he retires, we are very spoiled )

Other the JoMo especially and Pionk to some extent there has been inconsistency on the blue line.
DeMelo was bad for a long stretch.
Samberg has had a few stinky games plus injury time.
Stanley is what he is and while he has the occasional good game he has terrible games.
Calgary game decent.
Montreal game beyond awful.
Most of the time inconsistent.
No sense in sweating it, he’s TNSE’s big guy

Oh agree that Helly is a huge part of the goals against but i have liked our overall team defense this season and we are scoring goals, alot of goals. Not so much when Comrie is in net though but we have scored the most goals in the NHL.