Post-Game Talk: Jets 3 - Nucks 1

[surixon]

Well looks like the NHL is more then doubling the value of their Canadian national deal. Worth something like an average of $640 million USD a year. Do people still think this is largely a gate driven league.

This puts roughly 50 to 70 million into each Canadian team if the revenue split is similar to the last deal.

 

[JetsFan815]

Well looks like the NHL is more then doubling the value of their Canadian national deal. Worth something like an average of $640 million USD a year. Do people still think this is largely a gate driven league.

This puts roughly 50 to 70 million into each Canadian team if the revenue split is similar to the last deal.

All the more reason to purge NTC/NMCs from the CBA. If players want a cut of that, then they must be willing to play in all 32 markets that contribute to making them filthy rich!

 

[voyageur]

Well looks like the NHL is more then doubling the value of their Canadian national deal. Worth something like an average of $640 million USD a year. Do people still think this is largely a gate driven league.

This puts roughly 50 to 70 million into each Canadian team if the revenue split is similar to the last deal.

Rogers taking over the Leafs means more Leafs than ever. Hopefully this deal addresses blackouts. If it includes the French language rights to Hockey Night in Canada too, it's going to be hard for Bell to stay in the NHL.

 

[KingBogo]

All the more reason to purge NTC/NMCs from the CBA. If players want a cut of that, then they must be willing to play in all 32 markets that contribute to making them filthy rich!

But who is going to make this a CBA contract issue? The CBA is a negotiated agreement. The majority of teams have no problem with NMC and NTC and the players have no concerns with it. Who is going to put it on the table as an issue during the next collective agreement? What leverage do small market teams have to make this a contract issue?

 

[RestlessYoungZero]

Rogers taking over the Leafs means more Leafs than ever. Hopefully this deal addresses blackouts. If it includes the French language rights to Hockey Night in Canada too, it's going to be hard for Bell to stay in the NHL.

This is the National TV rights. The regional TV deals are separate (i.e., Jets/Sens/Habs and some Leafs on TSN, Oilers/Flames/Canucks/some Leafs on Sportsnet). Blackouts are related to the regional telecasts, if the game is televised on the teams regional deal it is only available on TV in that region. If you reside outside the teams region its blacked out and will continue to be as long as regional TV rights are a thing.

 

[voyageur]

This is the National TV rights. The regional TV deals are separate (i.e., Jets/Sens/Habs and some Leafs on TSN, Oilers/Flames/Canucks/some Leafs on Sportsnet). Blackouts are related to the regional telecasts, if the game is televised on the teams regional deal it is only available on TV in that region. If you reside outside the teams region its blacked out and will continue to be as long as regional TV rights are a thing.

I understand the difference. Last deal Rogers sold French rights to TVA/Quebecor. Exclusive days, including Saturday night hockey. Rogers probably partitions days with other companies like Amazon again to divest some or their investment. Blackouts don't grow audiences.

Be interested to see how CBC and Bell are affected. If Bell is limited to a Quebec/Ottawa Valley/Maritime and Manitoba region for their broadcasts after losing their share of the Leafs, and the NFL/CFL is their bread and butter, how long do they last in cable sports, which in Canada hockey rules in revenues. Does Rogers still partner with CBC?

 

[RestlessYoungZero]

I understand the difference. Last deal Rogers sold French rights to TVA/Quebecor. Exclusive days, including Saturday night hockey. Rogers probably partitions days with other companies like Amazon again to divest some or their investment. Blackouts don't grow audiences.

Be interested to see how CBC and Bell are affected. If Bell is limited to a Quebec/Ottawa Valley/Maritime and Manitoba region for their broadcasts after losing their share of the Leafs, and the NFL/CFL is their bread and butter, how long do they last in cable sports, which in Canada hockey rules in revenues. Does Rogers still partner with CBC?

Yea, I'm totally on board with you. I can't stand blackouts. Its just this deal has no bearing on blackouts and we'll be stuck with them as long as regional TV deals are a thing.

I wouldn't mind Amazon getting more games, I typically can't stand that company but I've really enjoyed their coverage. I love the rink views/mic for 30 mins leading up to the game with no talking. I think the picture quality is better than Sportsnet and overall I find they keep the regular camera view during the game instead of randomly cutting to line changes during the play (I can't stand how much TSN and Sportsnet does this).

 

[raideralex99]

But who is going to make this a CBA contract issue? The CBA is a negotiated agreement. The majority of teams have no problem with NMC and NTC and the players have no concerns with it. Who is going to put it on the table as an issue during the next collective agreement? What leverage do small market teams have to make this a contract issue?

This is 100% correct and there is only one thing the small market teams can do ... OFFER SHEETS.
What the Blues did last summer is open up a can of worms and there has been talk already this year about small markets teams doing this because its a way to sign impact players.
Once you start screwing over the big market teams ... you have a bargaining chip.
Edit: No sooner than I mention it ... splitting chicklets does a podcast on it.

 

[KingBogo]

This is 100% correct and there is only one thing the small market teams can do ... OFFER SHEETS.
What the Blues did last summer is open up a can of worms and there has been talk already this year about small markets teams doing this because its a way to sign impact players.
Once you start screwing over the big market teams ... you have a bargaining chip.

But I don't think even for small market teams that NMC and NTC are that big of an issue. I would think that things like revenue sharing would be more important, and somewhere small markets are more likely want to use any leverage they have. I don't think players will have any interest in bargaining it away, unless the NHL gives on UFA and RFA rights and that would be even worse for us.

 

[JetsFan815]

But who is going to make this a CBA contract issue? The CBA is a negotiated agreement. The majority of teams have no problem with NMC and NTC and the players have no concerns with it. Who is going to put it on the table as an issue during the next collective agreement? What leverage do small market teams have to make this a contract issue?

All Canadian teams show up disproportionately on these NTC/NMCs so to start off with all the Canadian teams should make a stink about it. Canadian teams have leverage as a good amount of the HRR comes from them (either via gate sales or via tv deals such as this). Bigger markets might also like the idea of turfing NTC/NMCs as GMs giving them out have hurt them (eg Rangers, Philly, San Jose) due to not being able to move said players and thus not maximizing the impact of their cap $.

Bigger markets should also want flexibility, NTC/NMCs don't really help them, it doesn't make it that much easier for them to acquire players and instead it compromises their flexibility as FAs that sign with them expect NTC/NMCs and they have no choice but to give it to them but in the process compromising their org's flexibility.

Everyone loses with NTC/NMCs... the smaller/rebuilding markets lose due to not being able to trade for impact players, the bigger markets lose being almost forced to give them out to remain competitive in the signing market and skewering their flexibility and future options, the NHL loses as trade activity is lower and thus fewer eyeball poppint trades, the fans lose with either not being able to get the best trade value for their trade protected players, or worse being stuck with them, or being unable to get a player that has that protection. The only group that benefits is the players.

 

[10Ducky10]

Sure... but that's not the first time he's pulled off that deke.
The Vancouver fans seemed quite forgiving of that play.
Apparently he's played above his cap hit for them based on their comments.

Like I said, I am not taking anything away from Perfetti. It was a great move. It just surprises me that Forbort is still in the league to be honest.

 

[KingBogo]

All Canadian teams show up disproportionately on these NTC/NMCs so to start off with all the Canadian teams should make a stink about it. Canadian teams have leverage as a good amount of the HRR comes from them (either via gate sales or via tv deals such as this). Bigger markets might also like the idea of turfing NTC/NMCs as GMs giving them out have hurt them (eg Rangers, Philly, San Jose) due to not being able to move said players and thus not maximizing the impact of their cap $.

Bigger markets should also want flexibility, NTC/NMCs don't really help them, it doesn't make it that much easier for them to acquire players and instead it compromises their flexibility as FAs that sign with them expect NTC/NMCs and they have no choice but to give it to them but in the process compromising their org's flexibility.

Everyone loses with NTC/NMCs... the smaller/rebuilding markets lose due to not being able to trade for impact players, the bigger markets lose being almost forced to give them out to remain competitive in the signing market and skewering their flexibility and future options, the NHL loses as trade activity is lower and thus fewer eyeball poppint trades, the fans lose with either not being able to get the best trade value for their trade protected players, or worse being stuck with them, or being unable to get a player that has that protection. The only group that benefits is the players.

Its fine to have a strong opinion on it. But the NHL and NHLPA have a collective agreement which is currently binding until September 15, 2026. When it ends a new one will need to ne negotiated. Negotiations require a give and take. Players really like NMC and NTC, and most teams like them or are indifferent to them. Even for small markets its not likely to be at the top of their want list. I can't see the NHL caring near enough to fight the players on the issue.

 

[surixon]

Like I said, I am not taking anything away from Perfetti. It was a great move. It just surprises me that Forbort is still in the league to be honest.

Yeah, he wasn't very good for us years ago. But good on him for extending his career.

 

[surixon]

Its fine to have a strong opinion on it. But the NHL and NHLPA have a collective agreement which is currently binding until September 15, 2026. When it ends a new one will need to ne negotiated. Negotiations require a give and take. Players really like NMC and NTC, and most teams like them or are indifferent to them. Even for small markets its not likely to be at the top of their want list. I can't see the NHL caring near enough to fight the players on the issue.

Yeah, I'd like to have a set limit that a team is allowed to give out but imo there are more pressing matters. Also by all accounts they likely announce a CBA extension this summer. It doesn't really sound like either side is looking for anything major. So likely largely status quo.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah, I'd like to have a set limit that a team is allowed to give out but imo there are more pressing matters. Also by all accounts they likely announce a CBA extension this summer. It doesn't really sound like either side is looking for anything major. So likely largely status quo.

Yeah, that's what I have read about negotiations. Very much a status quo CBA. Some tweaking around the edges, but nothing fundamental. The feeling seems to be, revenue is strong, the league is doing well, salaries are rising and neither side wants to rock the boat.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Stan was closing the gap to force the dump. His problem was that he didn't have support in the middle of the ice. I find that happens a little with him when he steps up like that... just a bad read

He didn’t have support because miller and Barron were switching for no reason. Like miller was on a union regulated break it’s been 30 seconds that means I get my coffee break.

Stan made a bad read, miller’s controller was disconnected.

 

[WolfHouse]

This is slightly off topic but everyone always refers to winnipeg as "pegcity", which I never cared for or used, I much prefer Winncity, which also happens to be my favorite pub on grant and pembina

Youre just a bunch of peggers

 

[bustamente]

Helle named 3rd star of the week 3-0 with a shut out

 

[bustamente]

I think the flying Nino's left an impression on the city

 

[wraithsonwings]

This was my X-MAS present game.

Me too!

 

[raideralex99]

NTC are good for one thing ... it weeds out the "me" players from team players.
Players that are up front about playing for only certain teams are players you don't want on your team. Those type of players never win anyways.

 

[JetsFan815]

Its fine to have a strong opinion on it. But the NHL and NHLPA have a collective agreement which is currently binding until September 15, 2026. When it ends a new one will need to ne negotiated. Negotiations require a give and take. Players really like NMC and NTC, and most teams like them or are indifferent to them. Even for small markets its not likely to be at the top of their want list. I can't see the NHL caring near enough to fight the players on the issue.

Until the teams that are impacted by trade protection speak up there will be no change. If all Canadian teams banded together on this, they could make it happen imo. The cap is about to be $120 million, in large part powered by the new tv deal. To me it is unacceptable that players are allowed keep themselves out of certain markets. If you are getting paid that much in guaranteed contracts you should play in any of the 32 cities. Jets need to make a stink about it, they are not the only team impacted. I am willing to go as far as supporting a lockout in 2026 over this issue.

 

[KingBogo]

Until the teams that are impacted by trade protection speak up there will be no change. If all Canadian teams banded together on this, they could make it happen imo. The cap is about to be $120 million, in large part powered by the new tv deal. To me it is unacceptable that players are allowed keep themselves out of certain markets. If you are getting paid that much in guaranteed contracts you should play in any of the 32 cities. Jets need to make a stink about it, they are not the only team impacted. I am willing to go as far as supporting a lockout in 2026 over this issue.

They are already in talks over the new CBA. No one from either side has even floated this idea. It very much looks like this will be a status quo CBA with just a few minor tweaks.

 

[ps241]

They are already in talks over the new CBA. No one from either side has even floated this idea. It very much looks like this will be a status quo CBA with just a few minor tweaks.

Thankfully they aren’t doing the lock out two step. I realize the NHL had to get things right, and we wouldn’t have a team without the structure of the CBA wars so I am kind of biting the hand but watching reporters talk every day on CBA updates was painful. Next time I would not watch any of the news, I would totally ingnore it until they signed the deal.

Thankfully it appears that won’t be an issue this time.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Youre just a bunch of peggers

I'll peg you