Value of: Jesse Puljujärvi - Oilers can't afford to give him more time

[TheGreenTBer]

Bust. Straight up. Can’t believe Edmonton took this scrub over Tkachuk.

He was widely expected to be gone by the time Edmonton was picking at #4. He was the consensus #3 prospect in that draft and some thought he was closer to the #2 guy (which to basically everyone outside of Finland was Patrik Laine) than the #4 guy.

I personally didn't like Tkachuk pre-draft and would have been pissed had my team picked 4th. The draft lottery, of course, took care of that.

Edmonton was prepared to take Sergachev I think, who would have been a good piece for them, until JP fell into their laps.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Honestly he is working hard and learning to play a big mans game so he isn't useless by any stretch. The problem is that he isn't producing any offense and is being paid $3 million this season and then is a RFA next season. I'd sooner keep him for a 3rd line role and deal Yamamoto when he comes back from injury.

 

[RC51]

jp cant score much and gets 3 mil.
Armia cant score and get 3.5 mil
So my guy is worth more so its a even exchange.

 

[604]

Straight trade for Tyler Myers.

Throw in a 1st and the Canucks will retain 50% for the remaining 2 years.

 

[McDNicks17]

Straight trade for Tyler Myers.

Throw in a 1st and the Canucks will retain 50% for the remaining 2 years.

The only reason to trade Pulju is cap space, so trading him for a guy who costs twice as much obviously makes no sense.

 

[FF de Mars]

JP + 1st for Anderson?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I’d propose Puljujarvi to the Sens for Austin Watson. Watson would give us toughness we currently lack with Kane out, as well as he’s a good PK/shot blocker. Doesn’t do much else though…. but it’s not like Pulju is setting the world on fire.

Not sure if the Sens do it, unless they think the change of scenery could unlock something in JP? His physical tools are undeniable, but he just doesn’t have poise and doesn’t process the game quick enough, but the tools are there.

I had this exact same thought but not sure Ottawa would trade Watson... for better or for worse.

I could see something around Holden maybe?

 

[biturbo19]

Kapanen is fast at least, maybe he can do something with McDavid. I'd make that trade, KK has completely fallen out of favor here.

More so than finding something with McDavid...i could see Kapanen being useful to the Oilers if he can pot a few goals from the bottom-6 without playing with McDavid/Draisaitl. That lack of scoring depth seems like the bigger problem than finding linemates for McDavey and Drai to be productive. Though with Kane out...i'm sure the first thing they'd do, would be to try the "new guy" with one or the other of them.

I feel like Kapanen with McDavid would likely be very frustrating though. Getting in the way of what McDavid does well. I don't think it's really even "skating speed" that McDavid needs in a linemate anyway. It's "processing speed". Which neither Kapanen nor Puljujarvi has any of.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Struggling player-for-player swap? Kapanen?

Trade for a 3rd/4th rounder to gain cap space? He makes 3 mil for this year only.

The Oilers need to move this player, as it's just been too long without production.
Good defensive numbers and a large body that is slowly growing angrier on the ice, he might be worth a little something? idk

JP + 1st +? for Gavrikov.

or the oilers can wait--not Q JP and sign Gavrikov as a UFA in the off season?

The problem is Gavrikov is reportedly asking for nice pay raise and that could be a problem for the oilers. I do not see the oilers trading a 1st for a rental player

 

[belair]

The only reason to trade Pulju is cap space, so trading him for a guy who costs twice as much obviously makes no sense.

Cap neutral and a 1st to us? I'd do it. Vancouver wouldn't.

 

[Tender Rip]

More so than finding something with McDavid...i could see Kapanen being useful to the Oilers if he can pot a few goals from the bottom-6 without playing with McDavid/Draisaitl. That lack of scoring depth seems like the bigger problem than finding linemates for McDavey and Drai to be productive. Though with Kane out...i'm sure the first thing they'd do, would be to try the "new guy" with one or the other of them.

I feel like Kapanen with McDavid would likely be very frustrating though. Getting in the way of what McDavid does well. I don't think it's really even "skating speed" that McDavid needs in a linemate anyway. It's "processing speed". Which neither Kapanen nor Puljujarvi has any of.

This. Its also the role Kapanen did well in for Toronto. Not saying the trade is great either way, but Pens should do it, if it was offered.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Bust. Straight up. Can’t believe Edmonton took this scrub over Tkachuk.

Someone is rewritting history. JP was the CONSESUS number 3 pick in this draft year--I saw only one predraft ranking that had Tkachuk over him. Please post your post having Tkachuk ranked over him

 

[GOilers88]

or the oilers can wait--not Q JP and sign Gavrikov as a UFA in the off season?

The problem is Gavrikov is reportedly asking for nice pay raise and that could be a problem for the oilers. I do not see the oilers trading a 1st for a rental player

I dislike the logic behind the HF special "just sign him in the off season".

If you get him now you have much better odds of extending him as he gets to play with the team and gel with the players. Plus you have way more time to negotiate with him without 31 other teams potentially negotiating at the same time. Plus he actually helps the team this year, which we desperately need on the blue line.

That phrase always makes it sound so easy and simple to just sign whatever players you want.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Someone is rewritting history. JP was the CONSESUS number 3 pick in this draft year--I saw only one predraft ranking that had Tkachuk over him. Please post your post having Tkachuk ranked over him

Not true. CBJ said no thanks with a Finn GM. He knew because he had the scoop.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Not true. CBJ said no thanks with a Finn GM. He knew because he had the scoop.

like I said ONE and only ONE and that was the BJS

I dislike the logic behind the HF special "just sign him in the off season".

If you get him now you have much better odds of extending him as he gets to play with the team and gel with the players. Plus you have way more time to negotiate with him without 31 other teams potentially negotiating at the same time. Plus he actually helps the team this year, which we desperately need on the blue line.

That phrase always makes it sound so easy and simple to just sign whatever players you want.

I agree--Oilers trade for him only to discover that he is asking for more money than the oilers can pay--I do not see the oilers trading long term assets for a soon to be UFA

As of right now I do not see the oilers offer JP a q offer this off season

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

like I said ONE and only ONE and that was the BJS

Don't think I've ever seen an NHL team let everyone know who they had in their draft rankings before the draft.

 

[GOilers88]

like I said ONE and only ONE and that was the BJS


I agree--Oilers trade for him only to discover that he is asking for more money than the oilers can pay--I do not see the oilers trading long term assets for a soon to be UFA

As of right now I do not see the oilers offer JP a q offer this off season

I'm of the opinion that the Oilers need to focus on the short term. If they don't become legit contenders in the next couple years I don't see a real future anyways.

I'd rather take my chances on a rental than hold onto draft picks waiting for the perfectly fitting, locked into a good contract, in their prime player to fall into their laps. Cause I don't see it happening. Have some balls, make a push, take some chances and show not only your rentals, but McDrai more importantly, that you're dedicated to making the team a legit contender for the next couple years.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I'm of the opinion that the Oilers need to focus on the short term. If they don't become legit contenders in the next couple years I don't see a real future anyways.

I'd rather take my chances on a rental than hold onto draft picks waiting for the perfectly fitting, locked into a good contract, in their prime player to fall into their laps. Cause I don't see it happening. Have some balls, make a push, take some chances and show not only your rentals, but McDrai more importantly, that you're dedicated to making the team a legit contender for the next couple years.

so we trade this years first and this time next year we are facing the same problem?

For me, next off season. We let JP walk and see if we can get something for Yamamoto and Barrie to free up money.

I am all for bold moves--but not for quick fixes that will still be a problem next year

 

[abo9]

Bust. Straight up. Can’t believe Edmonton took this scrub over Tkachuk.

Crazy to think that, on one hand, Pulju is just 24 and "still figuring things out", while in the other hand, Tkachuk is a veteran of 7 seasons, had more pts in one year than in all of Pulju's NHL career, and has already been traded in a blockbuster and became a key contributor in a 2nd very good team.

Like, time is a super weird concept when discussing NHL players.

For Pulju though, his draft pedigree is really helping him keep an NHL job. He probably has value in a specific role on a bottom 6, but a potential buyer would throw deaft pedigree out the window because he's no promising prospect anymore.

 

[GOilers88]

so we trade this years first and this time next year we are facing the same problem?

For me, next off season. We let JP walk and see if we can get something for Yamamoto and Barrie to free up money.

I am all for bold moves--but not for quick fixes that will still be a problem next year

What do you think his next contract will look like? It seems like you assume it will be like 5 to 6 mil per year.

Yamo is going just like JP. The longer we hold him the less value he has. In the same way you think we'd be in the exact same spot looking for D by Gavrikov walking, we're just as likely looking at a very minimal return on Yamo and Barrie and waiting for them to leave at the end of next season like JP this season and getting no real help this year or next in the form of a legit top 4 guy.

 

[Jumptheshark]

What do you think his next contract will look like? It seems like you assume it will be like 5 to 6 mil per year.

Yamo is going just like JP. The longer we hold him the less value he has. In the same way you think we'd be in the exact same spot looking for D by Gavrikov walking, we're just as likely looking at a very minimal return on Yamo and Barrie and waiting for them to leave at the end of next season like JP this season and getting no real help this year or next in the form of a legit top 4 guy.

Whatever it is it looks to scare of the bjs. I personally think last year was an outlier for his career

 

[Fourier]

Cap neutral and a 1st to us? I'd do it. Vancouver wouldn't.

I believe the first is going to Vancouver in that proposal. Which makes it an absolute non-starter.

 

[ccman68]

we all know he is gonna become a stud the second he leaves the oilers so maybe they should just keep him

 

[Jumptheshark]

JP + 1st for Anderson?

yeah--we are not adding a first for a guy signed for 5.5 who is signed for 4 more years after this--we can not afford him--montreal is more then welcome to ask that to any other team

 

[Viqsi]

Whatever it is it looks to scare of the bjs. I personally think last year was an outlier for his career

The only tangible thing we're worried about with Gavrikov's next contract is that he hasn't signed it with us yet. Any and all proposals and offers for him basically come with the caveat of "in case we don't manage to sign him ourselves." There's a concern among fans (nothing additional to back it up, mind you) that he may not want to stick around for the rebuild/retool. But we have zero evidence for any of that speculation other than the fact that we don't have him signed yet.


EDIT: Context was unclear, so just in case you were talking about Puljujarvi - I can't speak for the draft for sure (aside from "Kekalainen just thought PLD was better", and, well, he was but that still didn't make for a happy ending here). Any hesitation about picking him up now would probably be along the lines of "he's a winger and we have eleventy billion of those". Our expectations about him are pretty much set, and they're not all that high.