Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII- Swayman's agent basically calls Cam a liar

[TD Charlie]

People seem surprised to hear sport agents can be shady. Just look at the whole Freddie Freeman saga during the Braves/Dodgers contract negotiations.

Yeah, they’re jerks by design. It’s in the job requirements.

“All they care about is themselves and the money”

Well…yeah, that’s the job.

 

[yazmybaby]

Ethically I absolutely agree with you. But they aren’t exactly the same. In real estate there would be a written offer. In sports, unless an offer sheet, there isnt. Just verbal until actual contract is written up.
In this case there is no written‘receipt’. Just I said , you said.

As an agent, I would request all contract offers to be in writing.
Both sides are covered.
" Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see"

 

[Gee Wally]

Guys, move non Swayman related topics to other threads please. Keep this one on track.

 

[GatorMike]

FWIW, Frank Seravalli is reporting that the Bruins' most recent offer is 8-years, $62.5 million.

Swayman is at 8-years, $68 million.

 

[Gee Wally]

As an agent, I would request all contract offers to be in writing.
Both sides are covered.
" Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see"

Yep, but thats not how its done. Otherwise this would be simple. Side A or B would show the receipt. Case closed on who is full of poop.

 

[Therewolf31]

FWIW, Frank Seravalli is reporting that the Bruins' most recent offer is 8-years, $62.5 million.

Swayman is at 8-years, $68 million.

$7.81M vs $8.5M per. Could it seriously be that close?

 

[Hookslide]

While the Bruins could ship Swayman to any team that will offer them what they want, that team will want to know if Swayman would actually sign with them. Are they willing to pay him what he wants? Does he want to sign there? You could look at a team like Anaheim... is Swayman going to sign up to be there for 8 years?

So it has to work for all parties. The Bruins, Swayman, the acquiring team. I just doubt that there is a team that can check all the boxes at this time of year. Which is one of the big reasons I'm assuming things eventually get sorted out with Boston.

Welcome to having our own Mitch Marner, well in one regard: A player who might push the contract envelope and help nudge his team towards a less than ideal cap situation. Leafs fans do not like him as much as they might if he hadn't held their feet to the fire. But of course Swayman is not Marner in that he doesn't suck in big games

I have been wondering myself how that would work for the team trading for Sway, do you sign him first and then trade him. I am sure the team trading for him would need to let the Bruins know what they would pay for a contract. I know he has NTC until he is 27, so that would not hold up a deal. Now please I do not know all of these contract's work, I am just putting my commonsense hat on.

 

[Ladyfan]

To me he’s very naive, gullible whatever and getting bad advice

This is what I believe.

I still hope Sway signs here.

 

[UConn126]

I have no proof and no one else does either that Gross is lying, but if he is he is the type that has no shame about doing so, that is how his type roll. Sayman's image will never be the same, might restore it somewhat but will never be what it was. He screwed up, if had success in this town he might have owned it.

If we trade him I will certainly be rooting aggressively for him to fail lol. I don't think his image will never be the same if he stays though. I think he gets some boos first game he plays but if he performs the fans will forget about it in no time. If he comes out and sucks though he'll be the most hated man in Boston.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

I'm as tired of this as everyone else and this becoming a sideshow circus was the worst case scenario.

All of this is making me feel petty and honestly my ideal outcome at this point is that he's traded somewhere else, signs a big deal, then has a horrendous season.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I can sympathize with their frustration, but it’s still all their fault. They put themselves in this spot and obviously failed a major calculus at some point along the way. Surely they will try to paint another picture but I’m not sure why anyone would believe it.

If they’d done their homework on this, they’d still have Ullmark and Swayman would already be in another sweater.

How is it their fault?

They moved Ullmark to sign all the guys they did is the offseason. To think they didn't do their homework is flat out wrong.

I will say Swayman most likely thinks he had the Bruins backed into a corner after Ullmark was traded. I guess he did in some degree because if 8x8 is on the table that's a hell of a lot more than he deserves based on his body of work.

I want the guy gone asap and move on with the team that wants to be in Boston, this kid wants to be a martyr for the goalie union let him do it somewhere else.

 

[Hookslide]

I wouldn't be shocked at all if Sweeney doesn't already have an agreed upon trade deal from his buddy Bill Guerin out in Minnesota.

Minnesota has no cap room.

 

[NDiesel]

FWIW, Frank Seravalli is reporting that the Bruins' most recent offer is 8-years, $62.5 million.

Swayman is at 8-years, $68 million.

So the agent saying they never got 64 mil is really just semantics if this is true, and Neely exaggerated the offer by 1.5 mil on the Bruins end.

If that is the ask and offer they should just stfu and come to a deal rather than squabbling over like 500k season.

What a shit show

 

[LSCII]

FWIW, Frank Seravalli is reporting that the Bruins' most recent offer is 8-years, $62.5 million.

Swayman is at 8-years, $68 million.

There are now a few reports out there that Boston’s biggest offer was $62mill (4 if you count this one of 62.5). Which isn’t $64 mill, which means Neely was lying. Even if it’s a small amount, he still was dishonest when saying they gave the player $64 million reasons to sign because they didn’t.

 

[DKH]

This is what I believe.

I still hope Sway signs here.

Best place for him lol

But gone sideways

Heading over Cliff but still time to hit the brakes

Nylander resolved Nylander issues I believe how ended - so maybe Swayman going to have to put his future in his own hands not leave to agent

 

[Therewolf31]

I have been wondering myself how that would work for the team trading for Sway, do you sign him first and then trade him. I am sure the team trading for him would need to let the Bruins know what they would pay for a contract. I know he has NTC until he is 27, so that would not hold up a deal. Now please I do not know all of these contract's work, I am just putting my commonsense hat on.

I believe he can only get 8 years from the Bruins. Max 7 years elsewhere.

 

[bp14]

How is it their fault?

They moved Ullmark to sign all the guys they did is the offseason. To think they didn't do their homework is flat out wrong.

I will say Swayman most likely thinks he had the Bruins backed into a corner after Ullmark was traded. I guess he did in some degree because if 8x8 is on the table that's a hell of a lot more than he deserves based on his body of work.

I want the guy gone asap and move on with the team that wants to be in Boston, this kid wants to be a martyr for the goalie union let him do it somewhere else.

If you don’t know Sways asking price and where it fits into your cap, you don’t trade Ullmark. This is entirely their fault.

And if do know his ask, and you in turn traded Ullmark knowing it, how are we here today?

 

[Hookslide]

To Utah for Josh Doan would be a solid trade. Young natural RW to fill the open roster spot.


I could see something with Calgary. Maybe a 1st + Huberdeau with ~2mil retained. They get out of that contract, B's take a risk on a struggling top 6 forward but get a high pick as well.

Ducks for Zegras would be good. One head case for another. I'd like to see what Zegras can do when the games actually matter instead of going through the motions on a losing team.

Zegras !!! Marchand would knock him on his ass with his first step in the locker-room message delivered.

 

[Patdud]

Well what everyone really needs to know is that I got one of all three of the centennial jerseys last year

1) DeBrusk Away
2) Swayman Home
........3) McAvoy three


Close to 2/3s, scared if thats a trend or an anomaly.

 

[TD Charlie]

As an agent, I would request all contract offers to be in writing.
Both sides are covered.
" Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see"

I assume that does happen. I also assume many guys try to skirt around it with small talk. In theory i love the idea but would be difficult to stick to it in practice.

 

[Patdud]

There are now a few reports out there that Boston’s biggest offer was $62mill (4 if you count this one of 62.5). Which isn’t $64 mill, which means Neely was lying. Even if it’s a small amount, he still was dishonest when saying they gave the player $64 million reasons to sign because they didn’t.

leaks are coming from the agent, so anything the media is reporting is from Gross' mouth not the teams.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

If you don’t know Sways asking price and where it fits into your cap, you don’t trade Ullmark. This is entirely their fault.

And if do know his ask, and you in turn traded Ullmark knowing it, how are we here today?

You do understand you need other players to fill out a team other than two goalies?

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Swayman's quote last month about him going to business school and wanting to reset the goalie market make me think him and Gross are on the same page.

 

[LSCII]

So the agent saying they never got 64 mil is really just semantics if this is true, and Neely exaggerated the offer by 1.5 mil on the Bruins end.

If that is the ask and offer they should just stfu and come to a deal rather than squabbling over like 500k season.

What a shit show

But it’s not. Neely said they gave Swayman an 8x8 offer but they didn’t. No semantics, just reality.

 

[yazmybaby]

My gut says it’s over. This is too much of a distraction and will affect team chemistry to start the season. I like Sway, but I LOVE the Bruins, and if he’s too dumb to realize that it’s not just about money, too bad for him, we’ll survive and make the playoffs. And maybe pick up a few great pieces in a trade and with the extra cap space.

Trade him to the Flyers for Konecny and a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
He moves right up to our second line.....mark him down for 30-35 goals.
Cap works for us this season and leaves us with a bit of room.