Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

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@Gee Wally

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[DKH]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841933797316530524

I’m Swayman I’m wearing a mask when out

Hilarious but they eviscerated him

Utah might be a nice quiet place for him

 

[LSCII]

some truth to that but not always the case.

1. 2022 the flames signed Johathan Huberdeau to 8 years 10.5M cap hit per year. 5 years leading up to the contract had goals of 27, 30, 23, 20 (Covid), 30. he then signed and the last two years has goal totals of 15 in 2022 and 12 in 2023. if his production stays on this trend they have a 10.5M cap hit until 2031 for locking up a core player to a long term deal.

That trend will not end up saving them money later for locking up a core player long term.

2. 2022 Oilers sign goalie Jack Campbell to a 5 year $25M contract. was supposed to be their long term goalie fix. Played 4 seasons with LA and TO before signing with the oilers. Had about 133 of NHL games exp.
year games SV%
2018 31 .928
2019 26 .904
2020 22 .921
2021 49 .914

boy those number of games and good save % reminds me of another young goalie i know.

after signing with the oil he played 36 games in 2022 with a save % of .888 then in 2023 5 games .873 was then bought out in 2023 and is now dead cap space of 1.5M or more through 2030.

That didn't end up saving them money later for locking up a core player long term.

3. Capitals Tom Wilson signed 7 years 45.5M or $6.5M hit a year can't get 20 gaols anymore and is a -13 and -19 last two years singed though 2031-2032 will be 37.

That has not and will not end up saving them money later for locking up a core player long term.

4. Sean Couturier Philly signed 8 years 62M in 2021 $7.75 cap hit until 2030-2031
after two years of 30+ goals then another 22 goals and 18 now had 6 and 11 in the last two years with a -10, -6 and -4 rating.

That has not and will not end up saving them money later for locking up a core player long term.

5. zach parise signed 13 year 98M will MIN $7.5 cap hit. 9 years later bought out 2021. dead cap space by year
2021-2022 - $2.4M
2022-2023 - $6.4M
2023-2024 - $7.4M
2024-2025 - $7.4M

similar for suter in min. Both thought to be the core locked up long term both caused Cap hell and did not save the team money later.

for every long term deal that works out to save the team money there is an example of one that didn't and cost the team long term dead cap space.

just because you feel a guy is core and will stay playing at the same level for 8+ years does not mean it will always work out that way. I hope Pasta & Mac stay at the level although to be honest Mac has me a bit nervous after his playoffs last year.

How many long term contracts are you willing to gamble on at the same time?

what if like Min two of them drop totally off at the same time and your only option is to buy them out and pay dead cap space for the next 10 years. You can't ASSume it will always save the team cap space long term unless your batting 1000 on every long term deal you give out.

Sorry if this wasn't clear, but I wasn't talking about signing other teams high priced UFA's. When I said you don't get into trouble signing your top of the roster types, I specifically meant your own players to extensions. Guys you know work well and fit into your system. A high priced UFA is always going to be an overpayment and it's a complete unknown.

High priced UFAs are a total crapshoot. Which is why my expectations for Lindholm are very muted. He could be good, but he could just as easily be awful. We don't know yet, especially since he hasn't played.

To bring it around fully and back on topic, I feel way more confident that if they resign Sway, he'd be good here since we have a track record to draw from. Lindholm, who knows?

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Jim Murray is spot on! GenZ sense of entitlement. How dare you criticize me drama...blah, blah, blah.

 

[Midship]

Protect Big Jim Murray at all costs.

 

[Number8]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841933797316530524

I’m Swayman I’m wearing a mask when out

Hilarious but they eviscerated him

Utah might be a nice quiet place for himI think Sway should sign 8x9.

Sway should sign $8Mx8 now and then immediately give $2M to whatever group owns the documentary they discussed here in hopes they edit him out of everything.

The whiner/p***y stuff is going to go on superdrive.

Seriously, it's not good this is coming out. Going to make him such a laughing stock he might not be able to handle being in Boston regardless of deal.

Silly, silly, silly.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Sorry if this wasn't clear, but I wasn't talking about signing other teams high priced UFA's. When I said you don't get into trouble signing your top of the roster types, I specifically meant your own players to extensions. Guys you know work well and fit into your system. A high priced UFA is always going to be an overpayment and it's a complete unknown.

High priced UFAs are a total crapshoot. Which is why my expectations for Lindholm are very muted. He could be good, but he could just as easily be awful. We don't know yet, especially since he hasn't played.

To bring it around fully and back on topic, I feel way more confident that if they resign Sway, he'd be good here since we have a track record to draw from. Lindholm, who knows?

So do they, that’s why they offered him an 8 year deal that makes him one of the highest paid goalies in the league.

 

[Over the volcano]

Sway should sign $8Mx8 now and then immediately give $2M to whatever group owns the documentary they discussed here in hopes they edit him out of everything.

The whiner/p***y stuff is going to go on superdrive.

Seriously, it's not good this is coming out. Going to make him such a laughing stock he might not be able to handle being in Boston regardless of deal.

Silly, silly, silly.

Looking at which other players are in that doc is a good insight as to what he thinks he's worth and it's not good for him or for Boston

 

[Scotto74]

Sorry if this wasn't clear, but I wasn't talking about signing other teams high priced UFA's. When I said you don't get into trouble signing your top of the roster types, I specifically meant your own players to extensions. Guys you know work well and fit into your system. A high priced UFA is always going to be an overpayment and it's a complete unknown.

High priced UFAs are a total crapshoot. Which is why my expectations for Lindholm are very muted. He could be good, but he could just as easily be awful. We don't know yet, especially since he hasn't played.

To bring it around fully and back on topic, I feel way more confident that if they resign Sway, he'd be good here since we have a track record to draw from. Lindholm, who knows?

fair enough but a couple on my list were not expensive UFAs.

Sean Couturier was drafted by philly and is still there

Tom wilson drafted by the Caps still there

Jack Campbell while yes he was a UFA had a very similar resume to what Swayman has now in terms of games played both regular season and playoffs at the time of signing the big contract.

campbell played 135 regular season and 14 playoffs to Swaymans 132 regular season and 18 playoffs. so i feel that they are very comparable.

campbell got a 5 year 5M per contract. the cap was $82.5M that year so he was 6.1% of the total team cap and he was a UFA.

if Swayman gets 8x8 the cap is 88M this year so that 9.1% of the cap. very similar numbers when signing. RFA vs. UFA and Sawman would get 3 years longer and be a much larger portion of the overall team cap hit.

point still stands that you can't assume locking up your core guys to big money and term contracts will always benefit the team in the long run.

to me the lower % of total cap in later years (assuming it continues to climb each year) is a hedge bet against declining performance.

in the cases like i stated above the long term contract benefits the player and hurts the team not the other way around which is how you HOPE it works out.

 

[nORRis8]

I'm with you here, just get it done, what's an extra 250-500k when it comes to making a core guy happy?

Precisely.
With the extra 500,000.00 Jeremy will know for sure his family's future is secure.
Just 8 million? Not as much.

 

[LSCII]

So do they, that’s why they offered him an 8 year deal that makes him one of the highest paid goalies in the league.

Did they though? Cam throwing a hissy fit and alluding that they did when they hadn’t doesn’t scream sincere offer to me.

 

[DKH]

Sway should sign $8Mx8 now and then immediately give $2M to whatever group owns the documentary they discussed here in hopes they edit him out of everything.

The whiner/p***y stuff is going to go on superdrive.

Seriously, it's not good this is coming out. Going to make him such a laughing stock he might not be able to handle being in Boston regardless of deal.

Silly, silly, silly.

They are shitting all over him right now playing sound bites from him

He might want to request a trade to Utah

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Did they though? Cam throwing a hissy fit and alluding that they did when they hadn’t doesn’t scream sincere offer to me.

You have Neely Derangement Syndrome

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

Thing that bugs me the most about this is all year we heard how Swayman has shown he has the "mental toughness" to be an NHL starter and a playoff goalie. I don't know about you guys but I remember hearing this many many times, how he had the "mental toughness" but now it's all about his "hurt feelings". He's supposed to understand "business" so he just comes off like a mentally fragile kid here so maybe he doesn't have the mental toughness you'd want and he's not what we thought he was.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Not everyone.

Yeah you definitely face palmed those signings I remember!

Swayman situation is so weird. If he’s signed it will be a fun zero to hero story but let’s be honest if he signs but is the backup opening night at the Garden I bet he’s booed when announced.

I can’t believe it’s come this far and he won’t do 8x8.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Did they though? Cam throwing a hissy fit and alluding that they did when they hadn’t doesn’t scream sincere offer to me.

I haven’t seen one legit source that say the offer is under 8X8 right now.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Swayman and agent are doing it themselves. One week ago I imagine nearly every fan was Team Swayman and wondering what on earth Sweeney is doing.

I mean you can go back to July and find more people defending Sweeney than not.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

To pull this after we signed Zadorov is crazy. Or take a short deal and reset the market in a couple of years.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I just think a lot of fans are gonna turn on him when we have to constantly read about how bad his feelings are hurt, and then meanwhile he has a 64mil contract ready and waiting for him. If he didn't want that to happen, him and Gross shouldn't have been negotiating through the media all summer.

Interesting because the only mention of the B's offering 64 million dollars was a self-serving snide comment in front of the media.

Nobody knows if that contract was actually offered or if it was, what the particulars are.

 

[DKH]

Did they though? Cam throwing a hissy fit and alluding that they did when they hadn’t doesn’t scream sincere offer to me.

What hissy fit ? The 64 million reasons ?

Are you rounding up comment into hissy fit.

 

[Fenian24]

So, who does Utah have that can help us this year that Sweeney is capable of getting? I like Shane Doan's kid but they have to get more than that, ideally someone that could help right now.

 

[Mad-Marcus]

This docu-series is not doing him any favors. Some teams may accept the drama, but most won't touch it. The NHL for the most part has not been the 'Diva" league that the NFL and NBA have.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

So, who does Utah have that can help us this year that Sweeney is capable of getting? I like Shane Doan's kid but they have to get more than that, ideally someone that could help right now.

Just get the first. McKenna would be a steal. Rosters pretty set we’ll be sending good players to Prov. Tufte Lysell etc. top 6 D are set in stone.

Can’t believe we couldn’t get the higher Senators pick and only got our own back for Ully.

Add if you have to.

 

[Hookslide]

I love Swayman, but he’s not bigger than the Bruins.

Swayman has read to many of these posts on HOF, from the fanboy posters, he has the ability to be a top goalie in this league, but the longer this goes on, the more I realize this kids ego has gotten out of hand. The fans unintentionally built this kid up so much that he and his agent felt they had public support on their side thinking they had management over a barrel. I suggest this kid whethe he stays in Boston or moves on he needs to reassess what he has accomplished. What he has accomplished is that he has shown that he could be a very good goaltender in this league, but paying this kid is still a big gamble with his limited resume. there is a reason for a salary cap so crazy unearned contracts are just thrown around and be paying players who busts, will Sway be a bust doubt it, but he should prove a little more that he is the real deal, sorry small sample sizes do not do it for me with the kind of cotract he wants.

 

[DKH]

So, who does Utah have that can help us this year that Sweeney is capable of getting? I like Shane Doan's kid but they have to get more than that, ideally someone that could help right now.

Matias Maccelli would be a good add - get a young winger

Maccelli & Doan

 

[BigGoalBrad]

This docu-series is not doing him any favors. Some teams may accept the drama, but most won't touch it. The NHL for the most part has not been the 'Diva" league that the NFL and NBA have.

NFL and NBA plauers are actually interesting people. WNBA too it’s my favorite league for storylines. I’m at Mandalay Bay rn for UNLV-Syracuse football tonight and want to cry that I can’t attend Aces-Liberty tonight. I love that league and the players are awesome and fun.

NHL is just brats that had rich parents that also didn’t work and could drive them to multiple practices per day. We’re extremely lucky that the Bruins actually have personalities Brad Pasta Charlie etc aren’t cookie cutter dudes. So disappointed Swayman did this to us.