Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII- As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[RI.B FAN]

By the way, at this stage I voted trade.

This is just so stupid.

It is also very sad, we believed we were all set in goal for years to come

 

[DKH]

But it's not really coming from a pro Sweeney stance. It's people just looking at the situation and seeing what they think is fair in their minds (right or wrong)

Guys like Buccigross and the nhl network show all being nice but they are ‘it’s a good fair deal and a good team’.

I think we should look at it if it was ‘would we take it’ would we offer it

If take it and I’d offer it

I probably would have wanted 6/50 at 8.3 and be FA at 30/31 but security purposes 8/66 I’d have been the ask …..but 8/64 would have reeled me in ~ I get their cap situation and 8/64 is very good ….good enough for Jack Hughes

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Guys like Buccigross and the nhl network show all being nice but they are ‘it’s a good fair deal and a good team’.

I think we should look at it if it was ‘would we take it’ would we offer it

If take it and I’d offer it

I probably would have wanted 6/50 and been a FA at 8.3 and be FA at 30/31 but security purposes 8/66 I’d have been the ask …..but 8/64 would have reeled me in ~ I get their cap situation and 8/64 is very good ….good enough for Jack Hughes

Who’s worth more to their team though - Jack Hughes or Jeremy Swayman?

 

[DominicT]

This is what it would look like if Swayman were to lose money from a year 1 $8M salary by signing later in the year and missing days from the start of the NHL season. For example, he would only be paid ~$62.9M in actual money (not $64M) over 8 years if he signed on Oct 30 from your table above.

Is that how you understand it as well?

Depends on how it is written up. There could be a large signing bonus with a low salary to make up the difference.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Depends on how it is written up. There could be a large signing bonus with a low salary to make up the difference.

Dom - not getting too in the weeds. But if the contract proration goes up, is that in sync with the cap they would accrue (assuming they replace that salary with a minimum so minus that)? I’m hoping you get what I’m asking.

 

[Saxon Eric]

I used to live at Pat's Pizza after UM games.

I have a 4.5 hour ride ahead of me I'll be happy with Wendy's

 

[DominicT]

Dom - not getting too in the weeds. But if the contract proration goes up, is that in sync with the cap they would accrue (assuming they replace that salary with a minimum so minus that)? I’m hoping you get what I’m asking.

Wow. That's a good question and I haven't done the math on it. Give me a couple of minutes.

 

[DKH]

Who’s worth more to their team though - Jack Hughes or Jeremy Swayman?

I got Jack Hughes on my SIM team and I run it like it’s real lol….and I would laugh if offered Swayman for Hughes

They aren’t even in the same stratosphere in DKH universe

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I have a 4.5 hour ride ahead of me I'll be happy with Wendy's

Hopefully there are a lot of rest stops on the way

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

Kastelic would have been over the glass and in the stands at MSG on December 23, 1979 had he been in that game

He sure seems like a great addition. I think there’s only a few of us who like the trade, but it was awesome. Kastelic was born to be a Bruin. Korpse was born to be our number 1 goaltender, apparently. I’m going to find it very east to get on the Korpisalo bandwagon.

 

[PB37]

If he signs 8 years then yes I do.

Who was the last Bruin to spend his whole career with the Bs until their mid 30s or later and play else where? Bourque?

Tim Thomas

I used to live at Pat's Pizza after UM games.

Same!

 

[Hookslide]

He sure seems like a great addition. I think there’s only a few of us who like the trade, but it was awesome. Kastelic was born to be a Bruin. Korpse was born to be our number 1 goaltender, apparently. I’m going to find it very east to get on the Korpisalo bandwagon.

Plenty of room on the bandwagon now, compliments of Swayman.

 

[RI.B FAN]

Tim Thomas



Same!

Well, he was also a 31 year old rookie

 

[DominicT]

Dom - not getting too in the weeds. But if the contract proration goes up, is that in sync with the cap they would accrue (assuming they replace that salary with a minimum so minus that)? I’m hoping you get what I’m asking.

So, I know this doesn't exactly answer your question, but if they signed him tomorrow at 8 X 8, they would bank $6,727,802 for trade deadline day.

If they signed him Oct 30 to the same contract, they will only bank $4,806,921

That's assuming Bussi or Patera as a backup until he signs. No difference because it's the same salary for both.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

So, I know this doesn't exactly answer your question, but if they signed him tomorrow at 8 X 8, they would bank $6,727,802 for trade deadline day.

If they signed him Oct 30 to the same contract, they will only bank $4,806,921

That's assuming Bussi or Patera as a backup until he signs. No difference because it's the same salary for both.

So more punitive. Interesting. Sorry to get so arcane but always wondered if that was the math they used.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Like I’ve pointed out plenty of times here, the cap issues come not from signing your best players to fair market deals, but from extending yourself on overpayments to bottom of the roster players. In this case, Korpisalo, Peeke, and Zadorov jump right to the top of the list.

I’m mean shit, would you rather overpay your starting goalie by a little bit or grossly overpay your bottom pairing dmen and your back up goalie? It’s foolhardy to be arguing over a small amount of money for an impact player when you’re paying your bottom pairing nearly $8 mill a year collectively.

Serious question:

Would you feel better about the Bruins if they traded Korpisalo, Zadorov and Peeke for draft picks and signed Swayman for $10 mil for 8 years? They would have Wotherspoon and perhaps Mitchell on D and Bussi as the backup goalie. And much more cap space.

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Depends on how it is written up. There could be a large signing bonus with a low salary to make up the difference.

Right, but in the case where they were to add signing bonus money to "make him whole" to $64M in actual paid money over 8 years, then the cap hit in years 2-8 would be $8M, not less than that. Unless there's deferred salary like the Jarvis contract, the cap hit in years 2-8 will always be (total actual money paid)/8.

 

[Number8]

I got Jack Hughes on my SIM team and I run it like it’s real lol….and I would laugh if offered Swayman for Hughes

They aren’t even in the same stratosphere in DKH universe

Fortunately, you are in this universe. You have a lot of company.

Not a GM in the league would take Swayman one for one for Hughes.

(Jeremy, if you are reading, I don’t mean that as a slight. Just reality. Please don’t put me on your list.)

 

[BruinsFTW]

I really hope Boston and Jeremy get this done...8x8 is more than fair....hell give him 8.5 is max id go

Hilarious someone has a sign behind Korpi tonight in the Kings/Bruins game "Take 64 or go". Classic

Right, but in the case where they were to add signing bonus money to "make him whole" to $64M in actual paid money over 8 years, then the cap hit in years 2-8 would be $8M, not less than that. Unless there's deferred salary like the Jarvis contract, the cap hit in years 2-8 will always be (total actual money paid)/8.

Don't you have to be 35+ to add bonuses like that? I guess signing bonus is different than those bonuses

 

[smithformeragent]

So, I know this doesn't exactly answer your question, but if they signed him tomorrow at 8 X 8, they would bank $6,727,802 for trade deadline day.

If they signed him Oct 30 to the same contract, they will only bank $4,806,921

That's assuming Bussi or Patera as a backup until he signs. No difference because it's the same salary for both.

I’m now more convinced than ever that the B’s front office staged this fake feud to circumvent the salary cap for both this year and future years.

“Yeah, we’ll sacrifice some games in Octobah and Novembah to keep Sway fresh fah the playoffs, plus save some cap space to add a wingah at the deadline.”

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Don't you have to be 35+ to add bonuses like that?

No, I'm just talking about signing bonuses that can be on any standard contract. You're thinking of performance bonuses which are only for the 35+ players.

 

[DominicT]

Right, but in the case where they were to add signing bonus money to "make him whole" to $64M in actual paid money over 8 years, then the cap hit in years 2-8 would be $8M, not less than that. Unless there's deferred salary like the Jarvis contract, the cap hit in years 2-8 will always be (total actual money paid)/8.

The actual money paid is not important to most fans, only the cap hit is.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

 

[DominicT]

I’m now more convinced than ever that the B’s front office staged this fake feud to circumvent the salary cap for both this year and future years.

“Yeah, we’ll sacrifice some games in Octobah and Novembah to keep Sway fresh fah the playoffs, plus save some cap space to add a wingah at the deadline.”

Except it's costing more this year by waiting.

I not worried about next year as they have 30 million in cap space minus what Swayman gets.

 

[ranold26]

I think the problem might be that the Bruins and Swayman have different present values of a long contract and how it's structured over time.
If the Bruins think he's a ~6.5m guy now and worth ~11m in eight years(64m total), but Swayman thinks he's worth ~7.5m now and over the term it ramps up to ~12-13m/yr.... then we have a big variance in total value.
The cap is going up to ~92.5m, which is a ~5% increase..... now compound that over eight years and you see what could be a factor in this.