Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII- As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[EverettMike]

Swayman’s the customer that holds up a till at the supermarket for an hour because the pack of gum he’s trying to buy scanned 5 cents too high. And Neely’s the store owner that yells “just buy it or f*** off” while still wanting him to be a repeat customer.

I'm trying to use sarcasm less in general, so this is a good time for me to put that into practice and be more direct.

I think this is a very bad analogy for lots of reasons. It is not "super perfect" or "totally reasonable" and therefore you did not "totally nail it."

 

[Pia8988]

I'm trying to use sarcasm less in general, so this is a good time for me to put that into practice and be more direct.

I think this is a very bad analogy for lots of reasons. It is not "super perfect" or "totally reasonable" and therefore you did not "totally nail it."

Why do you hate yourself so to do this to you?

 

[Dr Quincy]

How do you know the arbitration numbers arent less than their original offers?

My thinking was that if the arbitration numbers were less, then Swayman would have accepted the deal they were offering

But now that I think more about it... that makes sense to do as a GM. So now I'm thinking you are right and it's likely that the arbitration numbers were lower, makes more strategic sense. Either Swayman takes your offer and the case isn't heard... or you get halfway between your low arbitration number and Sway's high arbitration number.

You are right

 

[nORRis8]

Maple Leafs say hello.

Precisely.
Then heading to the bargain bin to fill gaps on lines 3-4 and defence with throw aways and 40 year olds.

Gotta overpay dem ""franchise"" guys though. You bet.

 

[BamBamCam]

I hope Sweeney screws over Swayman and his agent, but telling them we are trading you next year at the draft.

 

[Smitty93]

Guess we've got a lot of "cut off your nose to spite your face" fans here

 

[DiggityDog]

They were offering him crap. Their arbitration numbers were ridiculous and that was better than the contract offered pre-hearing. So he had 2 choices: accept as much as Andrew Peake or go to arbitration.

Now go ahead and make the case the Swayman was less valuable and important to the Bruins last year than Andrew Peake, and do it with a straight face.

Holy hyperbole Batman

I feel like the horse is well past beaten, but again arbitration was not his only option. You almost make it seem like the Bruins held him at gunpoint and made him and his agent do it. It’s silly.

As far as Peake… what? No one thinks he is worth more than Swayman. I don’t think anyone even insinuated it. What does his contract have to do with anything? The Bruins didn’t even sign him to that contract.

 

[Patdud]

As their only out to not accepting whatever offer was put in front of them. The team had time to reach a number before then, but probably tried to save every dollar for the deadline and Sway wasn't having it.

The bruins had literally $.10 of cap space last year.

 

[Kate08]

@EverettMike having the first post on page 100 is perfection.

We did it, Joe!

 

[nORRis8]

Yes ,he is a baby. Your version of being a fing man is a different than mine.

Problem is he wants to get paid "like the fing man" when he hasn't proven he is.

Key word: proven.
He hasn't.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Holy hyperbole Batman

I feel like the horse is well past beaten, but again arbitration was not his only option. You almost make it seem like the Bruins held him at gunpoint and made him and his agent do it. It’s silly.

As far as Peake… what? No one thinks he is worth more than Swayman. I don’t think anyone even insinuated it. What does his contract have to do with anything? The Bruins didn’t even sign him to that contract.

Swayman got 3.4m in arbitration. His number was likely in the 4s. The B's was likely in the 2s... which is what Peake makes. So the Bruins thought (for 1year) that Swayman was worth about the same.

That's why one of their comps was Dan Vladar who makes..... in the 2s. That's what it has to do with it.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I don’t understand what people are arguing about in this thread. Is $64M not a fair deal for a guy that’s never had a number one workload?

 

[Dr Quincy]

The bruins had literally $.10 of cap space last year.

Literally could be 8.8m over the cap during the summer. Many versions of this thread ago I showed how they could have given Sway 4.5m without much trouble at all.

I get why they didn't want to: because they didn't have to.

But it was a choice they made.

I don’t understand what people are arguing about in this thread. Is $64M not a fair deal for a guy that’s never had a number one workload?

Is there a 64m contract on the table?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Swayman got 3.4m in arbitration. His number was likely in the 4s. The B's was likely in the 2s... which is what Peake makes. So the Bruins thought (for 1year) that Swayman was worth about the same.

That's why one of their comps was Dan Vladar who makes..... in the 2s. That's what it has to do with it.

Or...the Bruins (apparently unlike Swayman and Gross) understand what happens 99% of the time in arbitration where the arbitrator splits the difference almost exactly down the middle. So they constructed their number accordingly.

 

[Grimey]

I'm trying to use sarcasm less in general, so this is a good time for me to put that into practice and be more direct.

I think this is a very bad analogy for lots of reasons. It is not "super perfect" or "totally reasonable" and therefore you did not "totally nail it."

Thanks, professor.

 

[McGarnagle]

Swayman’s the customer that holds up a till at the supermarket for an hour because the pack of gum he’s trying to buy scanned 5 cents too high. And Neely’s the store owner that yells “just buy it or f*** off” while still wanting him to be a repeat customer.

The first half at least is very accurate. Neely on the other hand just got frustrated and let something slip he probably shouldn't have said publicly. Otherwise the Bruins have been more than fair in their negotiations.

 

[Bodit9]

I don’t understand what people are arguing about in this thread. Is $64M not a fair deal for a guy that’s never had a number one workload?

Yes, apparently there are people here who think he should make more than Helle, Sorokin, and as much as Vassy. Unreal.

 

[DiggityDog]

Swayman got 3.4m in arbitration. His number was likely in the 4s. The B's was likely in the 2s... which is what Peake makes. So the Bruins thought (for 1year) that Swayman was worth about the same.

That's why one of their comps was Dan Vladar who makes..... in the 2s. That's what it has to do with it.

So a contract signed by another team, at that valuation, is a comp for a goaltender on a completely different team?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Love the Gross changed everything after Ullmark got dealt. And I’m the speculator

 

[Smitty93]

I don’t understand what people are arguing about in this thread. Is $64M not a fair deal for a guy that’s never had a number one workload?

What's fair is basically irrelevant at this point. It's about how people feel about Swayman and the negotiations as a whole, and whether certain arguments used here are in good or bad faith.

 

[Number8]

Swayman mulled potential end of Bruins tenure during 2024 playoffs

Bruins goalie Jeremy Swayman's expiring contract was on his mind when Boston was eliminated from the 2024 Stanley Cup Playoffs, according to footage from Amazon's upcoming series, "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL.""I don't want it to end. It could be the last time I wear a Bruins jersey," he said during...

www.thescore.com

 

[Dr Quincy]

So a contract signed by another team, at that valuation, is a comp for a goaltender on a completely different team?

From what I understand they can't use contract numbers as comparisons in arbitration. They can make statistical comps... with the inference being: this is what his guy is worth.

At the same time, the player uses comps of players on completely different teams that have similar stats but make more money.

yes that's how arbitration works

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Guess we've got a lot of "cut off your nose to spite your face" fans here

Yeah for sure. They just want the Swayman screwed us excuse for a bad season.

 

[ON3M4N]

22 games is a lot of games in the playoffs, but I think the Bruins should pay him more than any goalie in the league, Because I think you need a good night's sleep, and take Sway kid with you, he has bags under his eyes.

So instead of keeping the discussion focused on the point you're trying to make, you rather just try and insult me?

 

[DiggityDog]

From what I understand they can't use contract numbers as comparisons in arbitration. They can make statistical comps... with the inference being: this is what his guy is worth.

At the same time, the player uses comps of players on completely different teams that have similar stats but make more money.

yes that's how arbitration works

Surely they play the same position though