Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

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[LSCII]

There is zero proof they did or didnt offer it.

The only person saying they did is Neely. Sweeney has not confirmed it at all. The agent said no. Now there are at least 4 reports saying it was $62-62.5 offered, which isn’t 64.

Time will tell who was full of shit, but at the moment, it sure looks like it’s Cam.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I have avoided this thread but after yesterday I do not believe for one second that Cam Neely just pulled that number out of his ass. This Bruins mgmt team usually gets deals done. This is a Swayman/agent issue in my eyes. Is it possible the agent never informed Swayman of the Bruins offer? And yesterday was the agent covering his own ass by claiming they never got the offer. It's not unheard of:

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I am 100% on team management with this one.

 

[Lobster57]

Except Neely putting his credibility, reputation, and job on the line if he lied. Which is more likely?

Even if Swayman signs with the Bruins, I doubt he lasts more than 1 season here.

Neely already publicly lied during the Mitchell Miller fiasco. He's a bit of a buffoon, and that's coming from someone who is a B's fan entirely because of Cam

 

[LSCII]

Except Neely putting his credibility, reputation, and job on the line if he lied. Which is more likely?

Even if Swayman signs with the Bruins, I doubt he lasts more than 1 season here.

Why would his job be on the line? Jacob’s isn’t going to fire him for this. If anything, he’d get a raise…lol

 

[Absurdity]

Neely already publicly lied during the Mitchell Miller fiasco. He's a bit of a buffoon, and that's coming from someone who is a B's fan entirely because of Cam

I have shit on Neely for the Miller situation and how he handled Claude Julien before firing him. Neely deserves all the shit he gets, I just don't see it in this situation.

Why would his job be on the line? Jacob’s isn’t going to fire him for this. If anything, he’d get a raise…lol

It's against the CBA to do what he did if he lied.

 

[GalleryGod72]

the user name already pretty much says what side they are going to take in this.

if there was no cap to worry about then fine pay him what he FEEL's he is worth but there is a cap and I want a competing team this year and in the future. If he had a Vezina trophy, a few more years history to look at and beat a few more teams in the playoffs then sure he is worth the cap hit because you know what your getting right now you don't.

and he has one playoff win against the Leafs. not even sure that is worthy of going on a resume. The Leafs are a guaranteed playoff win pretty much every year. the have made it to the second round once in the last what 19 years.

Agreed! Imagine signing a goalie LONG TERM to a big money deal who never won a playoff series. You could end up looking like MIKE MILBURY in New York! lol

 

[UncleRico]

Except Neely putting his credibility, reputation, and job on the line if he lied. Which is more likely?

Even if Swayman signs with the Bruins, I doubt he lasts more than 1 season here.

Frank seravelli reporting the offer was 8y/62.5m

Elliott’s Friedman saying he believes the offer was between $60m-$62m

I think the number was in the high $7s and Neely rounded up in his head thinking roughly $8m a year and did quick math.

 

[DKH]

Interesting

Bruins offered 8/64

Gross didn’t tell Swayman

lol to funny

 

[Dizzay]

I'd legit offer this guy a 1 year 6.5 million dollar contract, bonus driven, to get him up to 8-8.5 if he really delivers. If he delivers, he gets 8.5 million, he gets to negotiate one more time before UFA and likely gets his 8.5-10.5 million per year he is looking for. If he shits the bed with the increased workload, maybe we move him or sign him for a shorter term at less money.

Why would he do that? He hasn't done enough to prove he's a 8.5-10.5 million dollar goalie signed long term in the NHL. That is the knock on him right now, he was a tandem guy since he's entered the league and hasn't proven he can handle the #1 goalie workload to date. If he truly believes in himself and thinks he's a top 5 goalie, then bet on yourself. Don't think the Bruins are going to shoulder all the risk on you being this stud goalie when you haven't been "the guy".

If he's nervous about injuries or sucking, then shut your mouth, take the 8x8 and focus on stopping pucks.

 

[LSCII]

I have shit on Neely for the Miller situation and how he handled Claude Julien before firing him. Neely deserves all the shit he gets, I just don't see it in this situation.

It's against the CBA to do what he did if he lied.

It’s an easy out for him. All he has to say is he was misinformed and had approved going to $64 mill. Nobody is going to fire him for this if he didn’t get shit canned for the Mitch Miller fiasco.,

 

[danpantz]

I haven’t seen this seravelli report anywhere yet

 

[Lobster57]

I'd legit offer this guy a 1 year 6.5 million dollar contract, bonus driven, to get him up to 8-8.5 if he really delivers. If he delivers, he gets 8.5 million, he gets to negotiate one more time before UFA and likely gets his 8.5-10.5 million per year he is looking for. If he shits the bed with the increased workload, maybe we move him or sign him for a shorter term at less money.

Why would he do that? He hasn't done enough to prove he's a 8.5-10.5 million dollar goalie signed long term in the NHL. That is the knock on him right now, he was a tandem guy since he's entered the league and hasn't proven he can handle the #1 goalie workload to date. If he truly believes in himself and thinks he's a top 5 goalie, then bet on yourself. Don't think the Bruins are going to shoulder all the risk on you being this stud goalie when you haven't been "the guy".

If he's nervous about injuries or sucking, then shut your mouth, take the 8x8 and focus on stopping pucks.

Swayman isn't eligible for bonuses. 35+ or ELC's only

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[Number8]

Just a few hours after team president Cam Neely seemed to suggest that the Bruins have presented Jeremy Swayman with a $64 million contract offer, the restricted free agent goaltender’s agent responded with a strongly worded statement about the state of their contract stalemate.

Swayman’s agent, Lewis Gross, posted the statement on social media on Monday night.
“Normally, I do not release statements or discuss negotiations through the media,” Gross noted. “However, in this case, I feel the need to defend my client. At today’s press conference, $64 million was referenced. This was the first time that number was discussed in our negotiations. Prior to the press conference, no offer was made reaching that level.

“We are extremely disappointed. This was not fair to Jeremy. We will take a few days to discuss where we go from here.”

Gross is a piece of work. "This was not fair to Jeremy".

He's trying to get his client the most money he can. Ergo, it's not about whether Swayman needs to be treated with respect, kindness, and a nod to fair even handed love.

He's got a shark for an agent and he picked a shark for a reason. Not "fair"?!?!?! Please. What are we on the playground????

I've been in the Swayman camp all along but 8x8 is an extremely fair deal. The bullshit of who said what when and in what mean tone of voice is just childishness.

If Swayman really thinks he deserves to be paid in the absolute upper echelon of goalies (8x8 is in pretty damn rarified air already) I think he's lost me.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Agreed! Imagine signing a goalie LONG TERM to a big money deal who never won a playoff series. You could end up looking like MIKE MILBURY in New York! lol

Did you sleep through the Toronto series Rip Van Winkle?

Interesting

Bruins offered 8/64

Gross didn’t tell Swayman

lol to funny

Hopefully Sway fires him now and gets a deal done.

 

[nORRis8]

. Is it possible the agent never informed Swayman of the Bruins offer? And yesterday was the agent covering his own ass by claiming they never got the offer.

Come now, agents are the salt of the earth. Very honest. Many have degrees in law.

What would we do without them?

 

[Scotto74]

Did you sleep through the Toronto series Rip Van Winkle?

There were responding to my post where i said the leafs are a easy playoff win and it probably shouldn't count on a resume since they have only won a single playoff round in the last 19 years. its all in fun taking a shot at the leafs.

 

[Dizzay]

Swayman isn't eligible for bonuses. 35+ or ELC's only

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I did not know that! Thank you, my bad!

 

[TD Charlie]

Who the F is Frank Seravalli and how would he know this,

Swayman is a greedy prick and his agent is a well known scum bag so lets take their side as truth lololol

Swayman said he wanted to set the goalie market months ago, Hopefully he's playing somewhere else this season not sure how he can survive this is Boston.

Never happened

 

[Fenian24]

Trade him to the Flyers for Konecny and a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
He moves right up to our second line.....mark him down for 30-35 goals.
Cap works for us this season and leaves us with a bit of room.

I can deal with this but would Philly do it? How high are they on Ersson and they just resigned Konecny for 8 years at 8.75 a year starting next season.

 

[YukonCornelius]

Neely already publicly lied during the Mitchell Miller fiasco. He's a bit of a buffoon, and that's coming from someone who is a B's fan entirely because of Cam

This is quite literally the only example of Neely/current management being disingenuous, but somehow it keeps getting rehashed like they have a lengthy history of lying.

Never happened

Well it sure seems like that’s how he’s acting, despite the semantic arguments people keep making over what was/wasn’t said.

 

[Absurdity]

Frank seravelli reporting the offer was 8y/62.5m

Elliott’s Friedman saying he believes the offer was between $60m-$62m

I think the number was in the high $7s and Neely rounded up in his head thinking roughly $8m a year and did quick math.

Who provided these numbers to Seravalli and Friedman all of a sudden after the $64M offer came out? Why didn't we hear these numbers before yesterday?

Smells like Gross is trying to save his own ass. It sounds like Neely will be on 98.5 later this afternoon so hopefully we will get some clarification.

 

[TD Charlie]

This is quite literally the only example of Neely/current management being disingenuous, but somehow it keeps getting rehashed like they have a lengthy history of lying.


Well it sure seems like that’s how he’s acting, despite the semantic arguments people keep making over what was/wasn’t said.

I’m not arguing semantics. Just stating a fact on what he did and did not say, since the lie being blasted all over these threads is vastly different from what he actually said.

 

[Number8]

Just think. While Bruins Nation has been getting all wound up, spitting out literally thousands of posts about the situation... Swayman is probably holed up in a sweet condo playing X Box games all day. Maybe occasionally calling his agent every few days to see what's new. He's probably much less bothered by all this than many fans are. It's just business.

Maybe, maybe not. Season is about to start and he is not going to be in the room and on the ice with his buddies.

He's also now going to have to confront the very real possibility of sitting out the year. Neely and Gross at loggerheads is exactly the type of scenario where people could get stubbornly entrenched and we all see December 1 come and go.

Swayman texts his buddies and says "Hey, you played a good game tonight. Playoffs coming up soon! Oh hey, I got high score on COD tonight".

"Cool, Jeremy. That's, um, really cool. Talk later."

Not to mention all that time to play COD costs him $8,000,000 minimum plus. $8,000,000.

You think he's all cool and ambivalent??? Dream on. He's got a huge pile of chips on the table and is nervously watching the roulette wheel spin alternating between "I'm gonna be rich" and "I shoulda quit while ahead before letting it all ride".

 

[Hazelwig]

Funniest part of the whole mess was reading Lewis Gross statement lol

I followed Nylander saga basically thru Leafs HF thread for months and he was a media whore

Give me the no nonsense standup RW arguably top 2-3 in his position all time in his prime over Gross

I feel it’s likely the Bruins players are not on his side here either ~ ‘the one for all and all for one’ seems to me not applying to this kid. What he reported wants will cause player or plsyers dealt.

Saros is the comp and he has the resume

I’d still offer
4/30
6/50
8/64

Tell him pick one or you can sit out and we will eventually trade you

To me he’s very naive, gullible whatever and getting bad advice

Why does the middle option have a larger avg than the longer term? shouldn't that middle option be ~$47m?

I'd legit offer this guy a 1 year 6.5 million dollar contract, bonus driven, to get him up to 8-8.5 if he really delivers. If he delivers, he gets 8.5 million, he gets to negotiate one more time before UFA and likely gets his 8.5-10.5 million per year he is looking for. If he shits the bed with the increased workload, maybe we move him or sign him for a shorter term at less money.

Why would he do that? He hasn't done enough to prove he's a 8.5-10.5 million dollar goalie signed long term in the NHL. That is the knock on him right now, he was a tandem guy since he's entered the league and hasn't proven he can handle the #1 goalie workload to date. If he truly believes in himself and thinks he's a top 5 goalie, then bet on yourself. Don't think the Bruins are going to shoulder all the risk on you being this stud goalie when you haven't been "the guy".

If he's nervous about injuries or sucking, then shut your mouth, take the 8x8 and focus on stopping pucks.

This is interesting and could help cool the bad blood that's out there right now, but ultimately this works against the team. If Swayman has an amazing year and Igor signs some massive NY contract, then the Bruins won't be able to afford Swayman long term. The trick for management is to get the medium or long term done now, with some cost certainty at a key position and HOPE Swayman is actual as good as his projection shows him to be. I'll say it again, goalies are weird. 8 years is a long time to carry $8m if he's just a high/middle level goalie, which we have to be fair here, he is most likely to be rather than a top 5. Top ten maybe, top 5...kind of doubt it but I'd love to wrong

 

[Beyonder]

You think he's all cool and ambivalent??? Dream on. He's got a huge pile of chips on the table and is nervously watching the roulette wheel spin alternating between "I'm gonna be rich" and "I shoulda quit while ahead before letting it all ride".

You're talking about a person whose job is probably the most stressful in the sport and who is counted on to win games in high pressure situations. He knows he's going to get paid eventually, sooner or later, in Boston or otherwise, at the amount he wants or less but either way a lot. He's already rich ($5.5M career earnings) and is going to get richer. I'm gonna say, he's just fine right now.