Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[TD Charlie]

Yet again, his agent didn’t “refute” anything. He *disputed* it. I know, I know, “semantics”. Except it isn’t. It’s as annoying af.

Now we get another two weeks of half of us saying Gross refuted Neelys 64mil offer claim

 

[bearcountry17]

Does anyone think 8x8 for a guy like Swayman is "ruining the market" for goaltenders? I would say that's closer to setting the market as all the guys in the top 5 have some hardware to show for it.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

I'm gonna guess no announcement on a signing tonight.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I feel sorry for you

I already pointed out his lies. Feel sorry for him

 

[khanomcat]

Been turning this over on and off all day. I think there are solid arguments to make on both the side of the player, and on the side of management. But I think it comes down to one thing, for me. I don’t want my team to end up like the Maple Leafs, where they seem to give players anything they ask, and are a perpetual failure come playoff time. Swayman asking for and getting the moon doesn’t sit well with me. So I have to side with management.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Step away from the ledge. It’s all going to be ok, no matter if he's in Boston or somewhere else. Not worth losing your mind over this.

I love whodunnit and mystery stuff. This is great. My mind is immersed in numbers and formulas all day this is a great escape

 

[AlpineLager]

I just cant see Neely tossing that number out of his ass. Cannot be a complete fabrication, right? I beleive the guy has more integrity than that as a human being let alone business man.

 

[BTO]

it was probably $63,999,992 and 8 reasons

Maybe it was $8/8yrs. Maybe they never said $64, maybe they just said 8. Then Gross is technically right, even though he’s actually a turd.

 

[TD Charlie]

Maybe it was $8/8yrs. Maybe they never said $64, maybe they just said 8. Then Gross is technically right, even though he’s actually a turd.

Such a lovely time for a miscommunication.

 

[LiseL]

I could’ve sworn I read that both sides prefer a long-term deal but 99% of what’s been floating around the internet seems to be BS

A couple of insiders stated that: Lebrun and Dreger I believe.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Just now from Friedman:


SO WHERE ARE WE?

Until Monday, this is where I believe everything stood:

• Neely said he directly asked Swayman if the goalie wished to be a Bruin, and the answer was a resounding yes. I’m under the impression Swayman has always pushed for maximum term. After initially offering contracts of various lengths, the Bruins were satisfied with Swayman’s response and focused on eight years.

• Despite that, the two sides remain so far apart on salary that this won’t be solved unless player or team completely caves in or changes their minds. I’ve heard some softening of positions, but the gap was millions per season to start with.

• Gross’s statement claims that, prior to the media conference, the Bruins never got to $64M. I think they were close, maybe around $60M-$62M. Swayman/Gross probably aren’t as annoyed about the number itself as they are about it being mentioned in the first place. I read what Neely said as this: “We’re going to 64 and no farther. That’s it.” We will see. David Pastrnak pushed the Bruins farther than they wanted to go, but he was unrestricted. Swayman saw that success, but he is restricted.

• Two weeks ago, I started to hear rumours of a possible trade. The Bruins wouldn’t comment, but it was clear they told teams they weren’t considering it and wanted to keep him. Again, we will see if anything has changed. Remember, other teams are allowed to speak to Swayman because he’s an unsigned free agent. They know what he wants.

...

We know Swayman wants to be a Bruin, albeit on his terms, and we’re not anywhere close to that. For the moment, however, money is secondary. During this pause, he must ask himself, “Can I move past the bitterness of this negotiation?”

If the answer is yes, he can be a Bruin. An excellent one. If the answer is no, he will flourish somewhere else.

What comes next in the Bruins, Swayman standoff?

Cam Neely and the Boston Bruins made headlines when he commented on the standoff between the team and Jeremy Swayman. Elliotte Friedman has some thoughts on where the two parties can go from here.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Number8]

Exactly my point why it would be easier for Neely to prove.

You guys realize these contracts are signed over docusign or something similar right? There’s an internet trail for all of these.

If there’s an offer it’s written and documented somewhere.

Stop it. Please just stop. No one is going to do this. No one. Not Gross, not Neely. It is not going to happen.

Using the old “it has to be a lie because otherwise they’d just show the offer if it was true. Why don't they?” argument is ridiculous.

 

[CDJ]

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840801742616690967

This guy only exists to stick it to hockey clubs and make his clients not play hockey.

 

[UncleRico]

Stop it. Please just stop. No one is going to do this. No one. Not Gross, not Neely. It is not going to happen.

Using the old “it has to be a lie because otherwise they’d just show the offer if it was true. Why don't they?” argument is ridiculous.

It’s against the CBA so if Gross is intentionally not disclosing contracts offers like people here are claiming they did. Bruins should report him to the league.

 

[Ladyfan]

I never cared for soap operas.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Was this whole thing Neelys way of letting Sway know what they’ve offered in the event it hasn’t gotten back to him through his agent?

I guess we’ll find out if the next piece of news is Sway fired Gross

You would think Neely has Swayman phone number and he has voice mail right?

 

[BMC]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840892188177416616

 

[Number8]

It’s against the CBA so if Gross is intentionally not disclosing contracts offers like people here are claiming they did. Bruins should report him to the league.

I beg you to stop.

No one is going to file a complaint against the Bruins. No one is going to file a complaint against Gross.

This is about them having a nasty battle over a contract. Not who is f***ing lying and when. You think they going to table getting ready for the season and spend time gathering evidence and making filings with League or whoever else? Please. Stop.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

As a pro wrestling fan, I am craving for a tag team match playah!

 

[TD Charlie]

As a pro wrestling fan, I am craving for a tag team match playah!

Swayman has to go one on one

With the Undertaker

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Gross's stable is underwhelming at best. RIP Gaudreau, but other than Nylander, it's JAG's. Krug unfortunately might never play again, but at his best, he wasn't a top 10 D-man.
No wonder he wants his client to cash in, it may lead to more high level clientele. More reasons not to trust him.

 

[UncleRico]

I beg you to stop.

No one is going to file a complaint against the Bruins. No one is going to file a complaint against Gross.

This is about them having a nasty battle over a contract. Not who is f***ing lying and when. You think they going to table getting ready for the season and spend time gathering evidence and making filings with League or whoever else? Please. Stop.

No I don’t because as I said I don’t think anyone is lying I think it was a miscommunication and it’s absurd to this Gross would risk his license for swayman

However there’s a bunc u people calling Gross a liar. I’m saying to all the people rhat are claiming gross is lying to his client and withholding info, thag it’s easily verifiable if he is lying and the team should file a report if that’s the case.

 

[BruinDust]

What comes next in the Bruins, Swayman standoff?

Cam Neely and the Boston Bruins made headlines when he commented on the standoff between the team and Jeremy Swayman. Elliotte Friedman has some thoughts on where the two parties can go from here.

www.sportsnet.ca

Thank goodness that all this negotiation stuff really is just a friendly back-and-forth of comparable goalie contracts and nothing else like personal feelings or how the team truly values the player ever enters into the equation.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Just now from Friedman:


SO WHERE ARE WE?

Until Monday, this is where I believe everything stood:

• Neely said he directly asked Swayman if the goalie wished to be a Bruin, and the answer was a resounding yes. I’m under the impression Swayman has always pushed for maximum term. After initially offering contracts of various lengths, the Bruins were satisfied with Swayman’s response and focused on eight years.

• Despite that, the two sides remain so far apart on salary that this won’t be solved unless player or team completely caves in or changes their minds. I’ve heard some softening of positions, but the gap was millions per season to start with.

• Gross’s statement claims that, prior to the media conference, the Bruins never got to $64M. I think they were close, maybe around $60M-$62M. Swayman/Gross probably aren’t as annoyed about the number itself as they are about it being mentioned in the first place. I read what Neely said as this: “We’re going to 64 and no farther. That’s it.” We will see. David Pastrnak pushed the Bruins farther than they wanted to go, but he was unrestricted. Swayman saw that success, but he is restricted.

• Two weeks ago, I started to hear rumours of a possible trade. The Bruins wouldn’t comment, but it was clear they told teams they weren’t considering it and wanted to keep him. Again, we will see if anything has changed. Remember, other teams are allowed to speak to Swayman because he’s an unsigned free agent. They know what he wants.

...

We know Swayman wants to be a Bruin, albeit on his terms, and we’re not anywhere close to that. For the moment, however, money is secondary. During this pause, he must ask himself, “Can I move past the bitterness of this negotiation?”

If the answer is yes, he can be a Bruin. An excellent one. If the answer is no, he will flourish somewhere else.

What comes next in the Bruins, Swayman standoff?

Cam Neely and the Boston Bruins made headlines when he commented on the standoff between the team and Jeremy Swayman. Elliotte Friedman has some thoughts on where the two parties can go from here.

www.sportsnet.ca

In reading this, for the 1st time I think it's possible that the Bruins may actually be forced to trade Swayman if he indeed is holding out for 9 mil/ year plus, that's crazy money for his resume and I'm a big Swayman fan. Fortunately the Bruins D is much stronger then it has been in prior years to support Korps.