Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -VI President Cam Speaks: Monty, Donny, & Charlie too!

[Gee Wally]

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As this situation continues to drag on:

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Debate about the management of the salary cap and the performance of the general manager fits into the context of the conversation, but we’ll avoid dividing fans into camps like “pro-player” and “team apologist”.

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[Lobster57]

63-37-46-33 and many more have all taken team friendly deals to keep the team competitive Mr Jeremy has to do the same

and the team used those savings to bring in impactful signings such as <checks notes> Matt Belesky and the ghost of David Backes. If i saw how the money i left on the table has been spent, i'm getting every last nickel i can

 

[yazmybaby]

Perhaps because Swayman was asking for way too much?

If rumors are correct and he wants an 8 year deal, we are looking at 8.5-9M per year.
I cannot see Swayze settling for anything less.
Using a starting point of 7M in year one and adding 5% each year, it averages out to 8.35M over an 8 year term.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I’m a card carrying member of Sway Nation

6:50 M or 8:64

I’d pay him it right now back at practice tomorrow (what’s his agent cut ? Flat fee or dreaded %?)

Is more than fair

I’d give it to him now and spring for lunch at the Stock Yard with Marchy & Pasts & McAvoy to get them all back in love

Who's the mark?

Doyle Lonnegan.

Flat rate.

i hope Lohrei and Poitras are

and the team used those savings to bring in impactful signings such as <checks notes> Matt Belesky and the ghost of David Backes. If i saw how the money i left on the table has been spent, i'm getting every last nickel i can

Actually, they usually used those savings to stay under the Cap.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

So two minutes into the new season of Behind the B Sweeney said both goalies want to play 55+ games and that obviously wasn't possible, and both deserve to play 55 plus games in a season, hence the Ullmark deal

Perhaps some of you need to change the narrative that the Bruins don't feel he can handle the workload and that's why he's not signed? I know that's been a big crutch for the Swayman max year deal deniers, so I'm happy to help although it was obvious last year when they traded Ullmark for him only to void it

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

One was a rental that was often a healthy scratch and one had 2 more seasons at 2.75 mil per that was often a healthy scratch

Miller is signed for the next two seasons.

Not a rental.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Miller is signed for the next two seasons.

Not a rental.

he was then.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

If rumors are correct and he wants an 8 year deal, we are looking at 8.5-9M per year.
I cannot see Swayze settling for anything less.
Using a starting point of 7M in year one and adding 5% each year, it averages out to 8.35M over an 8 year term.

The discussion was about last year's negotiations.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

he was then.

My apologies.

You are correct.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

My apologies.

You are correct.

all good man, I appreciate the banter.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

all good man, I appreciate the banter.

That's what we're here for, right?

 

[BradPark22]

Who's the mark?

Doyle Lonnegan.

Flat rate.



Actually, they usually used those savings to stay under the Cap.

Watched that movie last night, an all-time favorite.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Watched that movie last night, an all-time favorite.

Best card game ever.

 

[goldenblack]

I've never seen The Sting. Now feels like I should.

 

[LSCII]

Don't think that is true.

Even last season his numbers (2.53 GA, .916 SP) were nearly identical to Ullmark's (2.57 GA, .915 SP).

This top 5 stuff is based solely on a very short playoff run.

Still, I feel the Bruins will get him signed to a somewhat reasonable contract.

I’ve already provided why and it had nothing to do with playoffs and everything to do with his save perecentages every year.

 

[Hookslide]

I've never seen The Sting. Now feels like I should.

Good movie, good acting, not seen much anymore.

 

[goldenblack]

Good movie, good acting, not seen much anymore.

Weirdly I couldn't agree less. The last few years in Hollywood have been gigantic. I agree the decade before that was putrid. But there seems to be a comeback underway.

 

[DKH]

So two minutes into the new season of Behind the B Sweeney said both goalies want to play 55+ games and that obviously wasn't possible, and both deserve to play 55 plus games in a season, hence the Ullmark deal

Perhaps some of you need to change the narrative that the Bruins don't feel he can handle the workload and that's why he's not signed? I know that's been a big crutch for the Swayman max year deal deniers, so I'm happy to help although it was obvious last year when they traded Ullmark for him only to void it

My plan was

Swayman 2/3rds @ 7.5 Mish (55 games)
Korpi 1/3 rd at 3 M (27 games)

About 10% of cap give or take a % or two

I’d go as high as 8.3 M 6/50 because I’m a Sway truther

35-15-5 2.10 GAA .925 SV %

(Full disclose my last 5 predictions on HF point totals I came in under so Swayman probably beats this)

Let’s go boys !!!!! 6/50 very very fair

 

[Scotto74]

So two minutes into the new season of Behind the B Sweeney said both goalies want to play 55+ games and that obviously wasn't possible, and both deserve to play 55 plus games in a season, hence the Ullmark deal

Perhaps some of you need to change the narrative that the Bruins don't feel he can handle the workload and that's why he's not signed? I know that's been a big crutch for the Swayman max year deal deniers, so I'm happy to help although it was obvious last year when they traded Ullmark for him only to void it

I don't think most (can't speak for all) think the Bruins don't feel he can handle the workload. its more He has not proven to the Bruins he can handle the workload. two different things and I am in the camp that he only has played what 44 games as a season high and 132 total games.

He has never had to be THE guy alone and play 55-60 games. he always had a safety net in Ullmark just in case he got cold or had a bad few games. The team would be fine because they had a great SET of goalies.

I am willing to pay a little for unproven potential but not make them one of the highest paid at that position. prove it first if you want to be a top 2 paid for your position. $7M would still make him the 6th highest paid which is as far as I would go for unproven potential with one playoff round win.

My plan was

Swayman 2/3rds @ 7.5 Mish (55 games)
Korpi 1/3 rd at 3 M (27 games)

About 10% of cap give or take a % or two

I’d go as high as 8.3 M 6/50 because I’m a Sway truther

35-15-5 2.10 GAA .925 SV %

(Full disclose my last 5 predictions on HF point totals I came in under so Swayman probably beats this)

Let’s go boys !!!!! 6/50 very very fair

I am pretty much in line with you but my max would the $7.5 and would want him for closer to $7M

 

[DKH]

I don't think most (can't speak for all) think the Bruins don't feel he can handle the workload. its more He has not proven to the Bruins he can handle the workload. two different things and I am in the camp that he only has played what 44 games as a season high and 132 total games.

He has never had to be THE guy alone and play 55-60 games. he always had a safety net in Ullmark just in case he got cold or had a bad few games. The team would be fine because they had a great SET of goalies.

I am willing to pay a little for unproven potential but not make them one of the highest paid at that position. prove it first if you want to be a top 2 paid for your position. $7M would still make him the 6th highest paid which is as far as I would go for unproven potential with one playoff round win.



I am pretty much in line with you but my max would the $7.5 and would want him for closer to $7M

Agree ~ I thought going in he got Saros deal but all changed when he started talking and the Chicklets podcast

I think he’s a great kid and spectacular talent but his agent should have told him what you say can and will be used against you - and we will handle this privately

Unfortunately the radio is killing him and Felger & Mazz can get a huge huge afternoon audience this time of year and they have him as greedy and most of the callers I’ve heard are against him ~ they are naturally feeding off his comments - pretty funny stuff by Felger on it but not a good look for the Swaychise

 

[Scotto74]

Agree ~ I thought going in he got Saros deal but all changed when he started talking and the Chicklets podcast

I think he’s a great kid and spectacular talent but his agent should have told him what you say can and will be used against you - and we will handle is privately

Unfortunately the radio is killing him and Felger & Mazz can get a huge huge afternoon audience this time of year and they have him as greedy and most of the callers I’ve heard are against him ~ they are naturally feeding off his comments - pretty funny but not a good look

agree on how this looks for him in the media and with the fans. i can't remember the last time a young guy went from golden boy of the future to trade the cheap prick so fast.

 

[TD Charlie]

Agree ~ I thought going in he got Saros deal but all changed when he started talking and the Chicklets podcast

I think he’s a great kid and spectacular talent but his agent should have told him what you say can and will be used against you - and we will handle this privately

Unfortunately the radio is killing him and Felger & Mazz can get a huge huge afternoon audience this time of year and they have him as greedy and most of the callers I’ve heard are against him ~ they are naturally feeding off his comments - pretty funny stuff by Felger on it but not a good look for the Swaychise

They also control the calls coming in. They might as well be the Chiclets podcast over the air, just without any knowledge of the game.

 

[Scotto74]

They also control the calls coming in. They might as well be the Chiclets podcast over the air, just without any knowledge of the game.

true to a point but I think Felger gets off on arguing and telling callers they are stupid so I can't see him only letting callers on that agree with him.

if anything i think he would let only callers that oppose his view on so he can bash them.

 

[DKH]

agree on how this looks for him in the media and with the fans. i can't remember the last time a young guy went from golden boy of the future to trade the cheap prick so fast.

He signs in next 7-10 days remains engaging and happy all good

If he signs for 50 M or more and comes across upset at the shit that went on (Bruins I think got in the mud as well) the fans are going to turn on him. A bunch of people already hate Sweeney so what’s he care - but anyone flipping on Swayman is a bummer

Attitude is everything ~ be positive be grateful and avoid missing real games he will be fine

Once he gets past real games it’s a problem

The one thing that makes me hopeful he’s gone radio silence about this and sounds like is pushing for a deal

I disagree he has leverage ~ he’s an RFA passed on arbitration- no one is going to fork over 4 first round picks on an offer sheet (the main board they are barely offering a second and B prospects)

His future is at stake - the Bruins are very good and the situation is perfect for him.

To blow it up for the unknown is freaking stupid - he’s not that

 

[TD Charlie]

true to a point but I think Felger gets off on arguing and telling callers they are stupid so I can't see him only letting callers on that agree with him.

if anything i think he would let only callers that oppose his view on so he can bash them.

Depending on topic, absolutely. In this case I think even he would get tired of himself screaming "BUT HE HASNT PLAYED A WHOLE SEASON AS THE GUY!" over and over, while the callers on the other end are put on forced mute.

I only assume that's how it has played out thus far, I haven't listened to 98.5 in ages.

 

[DKH]

They also control the calls coming in. They might as well be the Chiclets podcast over the air, just without any knowledge of the game.

Haha - so true….but they have a humongous audience

They say a lot of head scratching stuff about all 4 teams much of it trolling and tongue in cheek but it’s still forming opinions