Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman III- still nothing

[EverettMike]

"I would never pay big money for any goaltender" is a legit point of view, but I spent way too much of my Bruins fandom watching goalies who couldn't get the job done to ever feel that way. I also grew up watching Patrick Roy and Marty Brodeur winning Cups all the time and think you have more chances to break through with a great goaltender than without, so I'd rather play the odds.

It's like in the NFL, sometimes you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer or Jeff Hostetler, but does that mean you wouldn't rather a Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers even if they also only got one each? Which pair gives you more opportunities during their career and which pair requires literally everything else to go right for a single season?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

"I would never pay big money for any goaltender" is a legit point of view, but I spent way too much of my Bruins fandom watching goalies who couldn't get the job done to ever feel that way. I also grew up watching Patrick Roy and Marty Brodeur winning Cups all the time and think you have more chances to break through with a great goaltender than without, so I'd rather play the odds.

It's like in the NFL, sometimes you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer or Jeff Hostetler, but does that mean you wouldn't rather a Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers even if they also only got one each? Which pair gives you more opportunities during their career and which pair requires literally everything else to go right for a single season?

Bingo. Hard pass on ever reliving the days of the Tallas, Grahame, Carey, Potvin, Toivonen merry-go-round of trash with the only 2 blips of hope being the 2 seasons where Dafoe and Raycroft went nuts out of nowhere

 

[TD Charlie]

Bingo. Hard pass on ever reliving the days of the Tallas, Grahame, Carey, Potvin, Toivonen merry-go-round of trash with the only 2 blips of hope being the 2 seasons where Dafoe and Raycroft went nuts out of nowhere

Yeah all respect to the guys who have done it before, but give me the young star goaltender every time.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Yeah, all you need is 2 of the 3 best players in the world to pull it off...it's soooo easy to get a Makar/MacKinnon, Crosby/Malkin, Kane/Toews/Keith.

And Binnington has a cup because ROR went God mode and destroyed Bergeron/Marchand/Pastrnak in games 4-7 with 5 goals, 7 points, +7 vs a combined 2 goals, 4 points and -5 for the Perfection Line

Are you trying to make my point for me? If so, thanks!

More than one way to win a Cup. Whichever way it's done, it ain't easy. Especially with a Cap.

 

[RoccoF14]

"I would never pay big money for any goaltender" is a legit point of view, but I spent way too much of my Bruins fandom watching goalies who couldn't get the job done to ever feel that way. I also grew up watching Patrick Roy and Marty Brodeur winning Cups all the time and think you have more chances to break through with a great goaltender than without, so I'd rather play the odds.

It's like in the NFL, sometimes you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer or Jeff Hostetler, but does that mean you wouldn't rather a Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers even if they also only got one each? Which pair gives you more opportunities during their career and which pair requires literally everything else to go right for a single season?

Fair enough. If we are gonna use NFL analogies though, I'd equate Goaltending to being the Special Teams of hockey. Not the QB.

They can bail you out when your Offense/Defense shit the bed, and they can even steal the odd game for you with a clutch kick/kick return.

 

[Number8]

Fair enough. If we are gonna use NFL analogies though, I'd equate Goaltending to being the Special Teams of hockey. Not the QB.

They can bail you out when your Offense/Defense shit the bed, and they can even steal the odd game for you with a clutch kick/kick return.

Wow.

 

[NDiesel]

"I would never pay big money for any goaltender" is a legit point of view, but I spent way too much of my Bruins fandom watching goalies who couldn't get the job done to ever feel that way. I also grew up watching Patrick Roy and Marty Brodeur winning Cups all the time and think you have more chances to break through with a great goaltender than without, so I'd rather play the odds.

It's like in the NFL, sometimes you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer or Jeff Hostetler, but does that mean you wouldn't rather a Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers even if they also only got one each? Which pair gives you more opportunities during their career and which pair requires literally everything else to go right for a single season?

Very well said. We have been spoiled with goalies this past decade...I'd like to continue being spoiled rather than wondering "what if" because our goalies blew it again.

 

[Number8]

I don't really want to be that guy, but my hand has been forced.

I've lived through shitty goalies and some of you clearly have not. It hurts. A lot.

It is not a luxury to have a good goalie. It's a necessity.

It's a luxury to have TWO good goalies.

He'll get signed because both sides need it. But in the meantime, please, spare me the "we don't need him" and "trade his ass to the moon" bullshit. It's silly.

 

[EverettMike]

Fair enough. If we are gonna use NFL analogies though, I'd equate Goaltending to being the Special Teams of hockey. Not the QB.

They can bail you out when your Offense/Defense shit the bed, and they can even steal the odd game for you with a clutch kick/kick return.

I sort of think this is an insane comparison, but that's also why I enjoy it so much.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

When Boston can match Vegas, Florida and Colorado with their 1-18 then call me about not needing a great goalie. Boston is built on the goalie saving their asses.

Very well said. We have been spoiled with goalies this past decade...I'd like to continue being spoiled rather than wondering "what if" because our goalies blew it again.

Kind of like the Packers in football. They probably should have won more but going favre to Rodgers to Love is kinda like going Thomas to Rask to Swayman

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Just get the deal done its not like we can use that cap space elsewhere. Go down to 3 years if the AAV is too far apart.

With the Zadorov add Swayman basically has one hand on the Vezina already unless he misses games/camp.

 

[goldenblack]

4 years 7M

One thing I definitely agree with, is that Jeremy isn't the goalie to reset the market. That honor is earned.

 

[NeelyDan]

Anyone feel like Dreger has lost an insider step or two the last couple years

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Anyone feel like Dreger has lost an insider step or two the last couple years

I think you are right, so he is bucking the trend and hoping it's done soon so he can say "look at me!" EF way more connected.

 

[nORRis8]

2 years, 7.8 per get er done

I'm caring less and less.
Swayman.
Korpisalo
Bussi
John Blue
A mannequin
A broom handle
A bag of chips

Whatever stops a puck.

 

[DKH]

Didn’t realize Swayman agent Lewis Gross represented Johnny Gudreau

He’s got to be crushed

https://x.com/i/web/status/1831701638337458685

 

[lopey]

Very well said. We have been spoiled with goalies this past decade...I'd like to continue being spoiled rather than wondering "what if" because our goalies blew it again.

Yup agreed just ask the Leafs about goalies lol

 

[Dr Quincy]

This board the last 13 years "You win in the playoffs with defense and goaltending."

In the last month it has become "Actually its just defense and depth on the 4th line."

Weird

 

[DKH]

This board the last 13 years "You win in the playoffs with defense and goaltending."

In the last month it has become "Actually its just defense and depth on the 4th line."

Weird

You win with salary cap circumvention

 

[Guelph Bruin]

I think we all want Swayman back to see if he can continue to be the promised netminder of the future, all statistical accounts say he can ....sounds like he might have a bit of an ego (likely fed by his agent) but I'd rather have my goalie not be passive mentally. He's a risk worth taking, get it done within the constraints of the cap room we have left and I'll be a happy man. Do not give him a no trade clause.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think we all want Swayman back to see if he can continue to be the promised netminder of the future, all statistical accounts say he can ....sounds like he might have a bit of an ego (likely fed by his agent) but I'd rather have my goalie not be passive mentally. He's a risk worth taking, get it done within the constraints of the cap room we have left and I'll be a happy man. Do not give him a no trade clause.

Find me any contract over 2 years and $4M per year with zero trade protection. Find me any over $6M without significant trade protection.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

Find me any contract over 2 years and $4M per year with zero trade protection. Find me any over $6M without significant trade protection.

I won't but if Sway wants to set the bar for goalies in salary bridging RFA to UFA years and the term is 4+ years then I say Bruins Management set the bar by saying we'll pay you but no trade protection. Shared risk.

 

[Hookslide]

I think we all want Swayman back to see if he can continue to be the promised netminder of the future, all statistical accounts say he can ....sounds like he might have a bit of an ego (likely fed by his agent) but I'd rather have my goalie not be passive mentally. He's a risk worth taking, get it done within the constraints of the cap room we have left and I'll be a happy man. Do not give him a no trade clause.

I honestly do not believe it is a ego thing, but you are right about the agent, he is feeding Sway, something but a mystery what that might be. I do believe some of this might be personal, carried over from last year, and just a hunch if Sway signs it might never go away. The no trade clause might be a smart move, but I, seriously doubt that would something that would ever get in a contract.

 

[DKH]

Swayman behind this defense led by Jay Leach will be historic

I’m thinking of Bernie Parent 74-75 Flyers

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Gross doesn’t sound like the miserable human some here have portrayed him to be