Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman II

[Hookslide]

Swayman and a '25 2nd for Oettinger?

why the second,

 

[UncleRico]

What terrible thing did Swayman do? Did he kick someone's dog or something?

Haha dude gets in a contract dispute and now he’s a bad person

 

[PB37]

Allright, I'll throw it out there. Oettinger for Swayman?

I imagine the Stars would part with DeBoer and keep Oettinger, but both appear that they may benefit from a change in scenery. And it would be the easiest trade in the history of the salary cap as they have identical cap hits.

At their best, I think Swayman is the better goalie.

With everything that happened last season with Swayman and his recent comments about having a fragile mental state, I would be *ok* with them moving on from Swayman. But in a perfect world, Swayman stays, works his way back to form and helps lead the team back to playoff contention.

 

[Ladyfan]

I hear you, and I'm sure that's the case with a lot of folks.

But I do think there was a lot of ill will built up with the fan base. Every time he says something, fans are suspicious. Is he taking shots at my team, kind of stuff. There's a distrust there. I think it's on his side too. He didn't say he heard people saying shit about him, he just felt like they were saying shit about him. There's something there he needs to get over or process... or he's always going to hear those voices.

Stange enough, most of the fans at the games still were cheering for Sway. The kids love him.

There were a few ...One guy was pounding on the glass right near Sway and was over the top screaming at him. He got taken out.

I hope winning has helped his confidence. IMO confidence is HUGE for all hockey players.

If the player is playing for the Bruins, I will not boo them (well...maybe Zac Rinaldo). I want them to play well and booing them isn't helpful as usually already know they aren't playing well (and IMO most do care). Fans can do whatever they want but I will not boo them.

 

[goldenblack]

Untill he has a 2nd bad year, last year was the anomaly and his great play of all the other seasons the norm.

My sense is he won't recover in Boston. I want him to, but I don't think he can.

If he does well, geat, for the money "you were supposed to"

But if he has a bad stretch, all the same "reset the market" jokes and boos come out. He has so little room for error in this market due to this.

I think he can absolutely earn this contract. But it seems quite unlikely that it's going to happen in Boston long term. And he got very bad career advice that set him up for this exact disaster. He was better advice away from 7M times 8 and zero drama. And you have to wonder what this is actually truly going to cost him (career, peace of mind, happiness, quality of life, etc).

 

[LJReborn]

Haha dude gets in a contract dispute and now he’s a bad person

I remember when fans used to cheer for the players and be anti-management. Harry Sinden would have loved to been GM of this team the past decade.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

What terrible thing did Swayman do? Did he kick someone's dog or something?

Nothing of the sort...but I'm sure you've come across people in your life that you cringe every time they open their mouths or see their faces ....he's that for me....and for a lot of people from the sounds of it .... the only way to get me and those others back is to keep quiet, work hard and succeed. Chalk it up to the stupidity of being young maybe, he's got a second chance and I hope he succeeds. He was god awful this year without question and I'm not against moving him...pretty sure the brass wouldn't mind either... the look on Cam's face when he said the $64 million reasons why remark was the angry face Cam would make just before he pummeled someone on the ice... kid's got on uphill battle to fight IMO.

 

[LJReborn]

Why? What did he do other than treat a business like it's a business? The fact the fans, with some not so subtle nudging from the bruins management, turned on him the way they did shows you how shitty and stupid they can be. Sway needs to do nothing to make peace with the most petulant babies in this town because he did nothing wrong.

TL;DR: f*** those fans, they're not really fans.

They started all the shit with the "Swayman wants 10 million" plant.

 

[BruinDust]

Nothing of the sort...but I'm sure you've come across people in your life that you cringe every time they open their mouths or see their faces ....he's that for me....and for a lot of people from the sounds of it .... the only way to get me and those others back is to keep quiet, work hard and succeed. Chalk it up to the stupidity of being young maybe, he's got a second chance and I hope he succeeds. He was god awful this year without question and I'm not against moving him...pretty sure the brass wouldn't mind either... the look on Cam's face when he said the $64 million reasons why remark was the angry face Cam would make just before he pummeled someone on the ice... kid's got on uphill battle to fight IMO.

Did you feel that way about him before last summer?

 

[Guelph Bruin]

Did you feel that way about him before last summer?

Yup I did. Was excited about his play however. Specially after his playoff performance but still didn't like the person which can be overlooked if performance wasn't an issue.... it's definitely an issue now.

 

[Ladyfan]

Sway is young and IMO naive. Perhaps his agent did not help.

He should probably keep quiet about talks about salary.

I hope he plays well for the Bs.

 

[BruinDust]

Yup I did. Was excited about his play however. Specially after his playoff performance but still didn't like the person which can be overlooked if performance wasn't an issue.... it's definitely an issue now.

That is fair.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Yup I did. Was excited about his play however. Specially after his playoff performance but still didn't like the person which can be overlooked if performance wasn't an issue.... it's definitely an issue now.

This is odd to me, because Swayman the person was pretty darn awesome and had a pretty incredible reputation as teammate prior to the contract situation. His interviews in the postseason last year were absolutely remarkable. Well stated, no ego, team first, best interviews in the organization

 

[Hookslide]

My sense is he won't recover in Boston. I want him to, but I don't think he can.

If he does well, geat, for the money "you were supposed to"

But if he has a bad stretch, all the same "reset the market" jokes and boos come out. He has so little room for error in this market due to this.

I think he can absolutely earn this contract. But it seems quite unlikely that it's going to happen in Boston long term. And he got very bad career advice that set him up for this exact disaster. He was better advice away from 7M times 8 and zero drama. And you have to wonder what this is actually truly going to cost him (career, peace of mind, happiness, quality of life, etc).

No Bruins fan is rooting against him, I think he brought a lot of this on himself, and the cure is unknown, he had not proven that he could handle the load and that has not been proven even today. I do not root against a player getting his payday, all I ask is earn it, he has not done that in my eyes. Swayman, was the beneficiary, of good rotation with Ullmark, yet he felt even unproven he deserves to be paid, his comments blew up in his face and I do not think they will be forgotten quickly. I do not think the Bruins should gamble on keeping him, it will be too costly if he has another like last year and his value tanks. I would rather be on the wrong side of trading him and he has success somewhere else than be on the wrong side of him failing for the next 7 years here.

 

[PlayMakers]

What terrible thing did Swayman do? Did he kick someone's dog or something?

This whole idea he had of re-setting the goalie market rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way. The whole, I went to business school stuff. The list of things he was told that he needed to improve or areas where he was untested that he took offense to. "Play well in the playoffs... check!" I don't want to rehash it all but to a lot of folks he came off as arrogant, entitled, immature... and then he backed up all that bravado with a disastrous performance this season.

Now, you can say none of that is a fair take and Swayman came off to you as a super stand up guy, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is that Swayman himself feels like he is viewed in the negative way and because of that is uncomfortable when he walks down the street.

He said that feeling loved again by the fans in Stockholm took a big weight off his shoulders and was a big reason he got his game back at the Worlds.

What has to happen here for the fans to feel good about him again, and more importantly, what has to happen for him to feel comfortable and well liked again?

 

[BruinDust]

This whole idea he had of re-setting the goalie market rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way. The whole, I went to business school stuff. The list of things he was told that he needed to improve or areas where he was untested that he took offense to. "Play well in the playoffs... check!" I don't want to rehash it all but to a lot of folks he came off as arrogant, entitled, immature... and then he backed up all that bravado with a disastrous performance this season.

Now, you can say none of that is a fair take and Swayman came off to you as a super stand up guy, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is that Swayman himself feels like he is viewed in the negative way and because of that is uncomfortable when he walks down the street.

He said that feeling loved again by the fans in Stockholm took a big weight off his shoulders and was a big reason he got his game back at the Worlds.

What has to happen here for the fans to feel good about him again, and more importantly, what has to happen for him to feel comfortable and well liked again?

I guess the thing for me personally is I really don't care about any of words or actions taken during his contract negotiation, not from either side. And I'm not in the room so I don't know what is said behind close doors which is 99.9% of it.

Business is business. At the end of the day the player needs to do what they feel is best for them, as does the for-profit organization they are negotiating with. As a fan I don't let that side of the hockey business bother me. To each their own.

 

[PB37]

This whole idea he had of re-setting the goalie market rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way. The whole, I went to business school stuff. The list of things he was told that he needed to improve or areas where he was untested that he took offense to. "Play well in the playoffs... check!" I don't want to rehash it all but to a lot of folks he came off as arrogant, entitled, immature... and then he backed up all that bravado with a disastrous performance this season.

Now, you can say none of that is a fair take and Swayman came off to you as a super stand up guy, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is that Swayman himself feels like he is viewed in the negative way and because of that is uncomfortable when he walks down the street.

He said that feeling loved again by the fans in Stockholm took a big weight off his shoulders and was a big reason he got his game back at the Worlds.

What has to happen here for the fans to feel good about him again, and more importantly, what has to happen for him to feel comfortable and well liked again?

The Stockholm comments worry me. Swayman has to be able to shut out the outside noise as an athlete. The best way to win hearts and minds is to do the job and do it well.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

This is odd to me, because Swayman the person was pretty darn awesome and had a pretty incredible reputation as teammate prior to the contract situation. His interviews in the postseason last year were absolutely remarkable. Well stated, no ego, team first, best interviews in the organization

Like I said, sometimes you just don't take to a person, he's simply not my type of person. My gut said so from the get go and last year just put some real evidence behind it. Goalie wise Tukka was my type of person, TT was my type of person. Both salty, genuine, and low key hilarious. Sway to me seems more Leafs like identify wise ..skilled, content, not a leader in the making. Can he win? Absolutely possible, he's shown flashes but not consistency. Would I hitch my long term train to him? Absolutely not. The term on his contract is not desirable.

 

[Hookslide]

I guess the thing for me personally is I really don't care about any of words or actions taken during his contract negotiation, not from either side. And I'm not in the room so I don't know what is said behind close doors which is 99.9% of it.

Business is business. At the end of the day the player needs to do what they feel is best for them, as does the for-profit organization they are negotiating with. As a fan I don't let that side of the hockey business bother me. To each their own.

Generally, I would agree words mean nothing to me, but he still was bitter over the year before with his RFA negotiations and just don't think I want take chance with this kid anymore move on.

 

[LSCII]

This whole idea he had of re-setting the goalie market rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way. The whole, I went to business school stuff. The list of things he was told that he needed to improve or areas where he was untested that he took offense to. "Play well in the playoffs... check!" I don't want to rehash it all but to a lot of folks he came off as arrogant, entitled, immature... and then he backed up all that bravado with a disastrous performance this season.

Now, you can say none of that is a fair take and Swayman came off to you as a super stand up guy, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is that Swayman himself feels like he is viewed in the negative way and because of that is uncomfortable when he walks down the street.

He said that feeling loved again by the fans in Stockholm took a big weight off his shoulders and was a big reason he got his game back at the Worlds.

What has to happen here for the fans to feel good about him again, and more importantly, what has to happen for him to feel comfortable and well liked again?

Is this league a business? Does Jacobs (and family) treat it like a business? You having a double standard and expecting the players to be loyal to the town and team is a you problem, not Swayman's. He learned the year before in arbitration that the team was about business. Holding it against him is bullshit.

 

[Gee Wally]

Tomorrow’s Globe:

Swayman high on Warsofsky​

Jeremy Swayman’s read on Ryan Warsofsky, the Team USA bench boss at the world championship that concluded last Sunday: “Since [the time] I walked through the door, he was incredible.”

Warsofsky, who’ll begin his second season as the Sharks coach this fall, was raised in Marshfield and played high school hockey for his hometown Rams, followed by a season at Cushing Academy. He moved into the top job in San Jose last summer after two years as one of David Quinn’sassistant coaches.

With Swayman in net for Warsofsky, the Yanks rubbed out Switzerland, 1-0, in OT in Stockholm. It gave the US its first world gold medal since 1933.

“I’ve got nothing to say but great things about Warsy,” offered Swayman, “the way he carried himself and he’s just so well spoken. I think he takes over a room very well. Every one of the guys in there would do anything he asked — and it takes a special kind of human to get 25 or 30 guys all on the same page within three weeks. That’s a testament to his coaching ability and his style.”

Credit, too, added Swayman, to the entire Team USA staff for such a successful effort, including adapting to the bigger (200x100 feet) European/Olympic ice sheet.

“And you’re playing against guys, a lot of them who’ve been playing with each other for a long time,” continued the Bruins’ backstop. “They have their game plans, know how to play on the [bigger sheet]. To see [Warsofsky] articulate the game and get us to play to our strengths … every one of us knew that we could have a serious chance of winning with him at the helm.

“That’s something I’ll never forget from him — and he’s stuck with me for life now. We’re pretty tight … that’s pretty cool.”

 

[BruinDust]

Tomorrow’s Globe:

Swayman high on Warsofsky​

Jeremy Swayman’s read on Ryan Warsofsky, the Team USA bench boss at the world championship that concluded last Sunday: “Since [the time] I walked through the door, he was incredible.”

Warsofsky, who’ll begin his second season as the Sharks coach this fall, was raised in Marshfield and played high school hockey for his hometown Rams, followed by a season at Cushing Academy. He moved into the top job in San Jose last summer after two years as one of David Quinn’sassistant coaches.

With Swayman in net for Warsofsky, the Yanks rubbed out Switzerland, 1-0, in OT in Stockholm. It gave the US its first world gold medal since 1933.

“I’ve got nothing to say but great things about Warsy,” offered Swayman, “the way he carried himself and he’s just so well spoken. I think he takes over a room very well. Every one of the guys in there would do anything he asked — and it takes a special kind of human to get 25 or 30 guys all on the same page within three weeks. That’s a testament to his coaching ability and his style.”

Credit, too, added Swayman, to the entire Team USA staff for such a successful effort, including adapting to the bigger (200x100 feet) European/Olympic ice sheet.

“And you’re playing against guys, a lot of them who’ve been playing with each other for a long time,” continued the Bruins’ backstop. “They have their game plans, know how to play on the [bigger sheet]. To see [Warsofsky] articulate the game and get us to play to our strengths … every one of us knew that we could have a serious chance of winning with him at the helm.

“That’s something I’ll never forget from him — and he’s stuck with me for life now. We’re pretty tight … that’s pretty cool.”

TSNs Overdrive had Warsofsky on the other day. Interesting path he took to becoming a head coach in the NHL, played hockey in leagues none of the hosts of the show had even heard of. I agree with Swayman in that Warsofsky is well spoken.

 

[Ludwig Fell Down]

At their best, I think Swayman is the better goalie.

With everything that happened last season with Swayman and his recent comments about having a fragile mental state, I would be *ok* with them moving on from Swayman. But in a perfect world, Swayman stays, works his way back to form and helps lead the team back to playoff contention.

That would be ideal.

I am probably biased because I've been a big fan of Oettinger for years. I think Oettinger is a bit better than Sway, but when Sway is on his game he is certainly an elite goalie.

 

[Hookslide]

Tomorrow’s Globe:

Swayman high on Warsofsky​

Jeremy Swayman’s read on Ryan Warsofsky, the Team USA bench boss at the world championship that concluded last Sunday: “Since [the time] I walked through the door, he was incredible.”

Warsofsky, who’ll begin his second season as the Sharks coach this fall, was raised in Marshfield and played high school hockey for his hometown Rams, followed by a season at Cushing Academy. He moved into the top job in San Jose last summer after two years as one of David Quinn’sassistant coaches.

With Swayman in net for Warsofsky, the Yanks rubbed out Switzerland, 1-0, in OT in Stockholm. It gave the US its first world gold medal since 1933.

“I’ve got nothing to say but great things about Warsy,” offered Swayman, “the way he carried himself and he’s just so well spoken. I think he takes over a room very well. Every one of the guys in there would do anything he asked — and it takes a special kind of human to get 25 or 30 guys all on the same page within three weeks. That’s a testament to his coaching ability and his style.”

Credit, too, added Swayman, to the entire Team USA staff for such a successful effort, including adapting to the bigger (200x100 feet) European/Olympic ice sheet.

“And you’re playing against guys, a lot of them who’ve been playing with each other for a long time,” continued the Bruins’ backstop. “They have their game plans, know how to play on the [bigger sheet]. To see [Warsofsky] articulate the game and get us to play to our strengths … every one of us knew that we could have a serious chance of winning with him at the helm.

“That’s something I’ll never forget from him — and he’s stuck with me for life now. We’re pretty tight … that’s pretty cool.”

Swayman, to San Jose, book it