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Jeremy Bracco next year?

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^ Since when does Babcock have a particular dislike of non huge wingers? None of the Leafs guys are of particularly large size except the 4th line...

As for Bracco, He doesn't get a lot of parficular love on here - but I still think he's got good potential. I would t read too much into his dip in production post trade, that seems to be more a result of his new environment than anything else.

Regardless he will need probably another couple years of development in the AHL. He may very well end up a trade asset but he won't hold a lot of value u tim he can show he can score at the pro level. The Marlies will need to give him plenty of PP time to help get his offensive numbers up.
 
Mess said:
Babcock is not a big fan of small undersized wingers.

Can't see much future in the Leafs organization for Bracco.
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They sure have a bunch of them for him not being a fan.
 
ACC1224 said:
They sure have a bunch of them for him not being a fan.
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That was the starting point only.. I think in time they will attempt to replace the prospect pool with bigger/stronger skilled players, to provide talent for the parent team.

All these little waterbugs (mostly wingers) in the organization are more then likely to be used as bargaining chips in add-ons in trades as sweeteners.

The inherited organization prospect pool was pretty bleak previously, and they drafted skill with all disregard for size and strength, I believe we will see this change now as you can only have so many Bracco's in the feeder system.
 
saltming said:
Really?
I see Johnsson making a good push for the nhl next camp.
Grundstrom and aaltonen certainly have nhl potential as does korshkov.
If Tima takes another step next year he should be considered a hopeful as well.
Lindberg could also be a 4th line with his size and skating.
Yes optimistic but I think all those kids have a chance and could push through to the nhl
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This is just not an unusual or particularly good AHL pipeline.

When it contained Leivo, Nylander, Brown, Hyman, Leipsic, and Connor Carrick, it was ridiculously good.

Getting excited about the AHL pipeline now is basically the same as getting excited at Robbie Earl and Chad Rau.
 
TheProspector said:
This is just not an unusual or particularly good AHL pipeline.

When it contained Leivo, Nylander, Brown, Hyman, Leipsic, and Connor Carrick, it was ridiculously good.

Getting excited about the AHL pipeline now is basically the same as getting excited at Robbie Earl and Chad Rau.
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well, sort of...the Leipsic/Rychel tier has much more AHL success than Earl or Rau ever did and at quite a young age, and there's a lot more depth of prospects of that level than we had in that era - Timashov, Johnsson, Nielsen, Dermott already there, Grundstrom, Bracco, Korshkov, Brooks on the way. Lots of those guys will never be NHL'ers, but if some end up being decent players who can supplement the NHL core at low cap hits that would be ideal

It probably doesn't have any future NHL superstars in it, but that's really not what the big club is going to need it to produce either
 
Mess said:
That was the starting point only.. I think in time they will attempt to replace the prospect pool with bigger/stronger skilled players, to provide talent for the parent team.

All these little waterbugs (mostly wingers) in the organization are more then likely to be used as bargaining chips in add-ons in trades as sweeteners.

The inherited organization prospect pool was pretty bleak previously, and they drafted skill with all disregard for size and strength, I believe we will see this change now as you can only have so many Bracco's in the feeder system.
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Seems little indication that there's a any particular bias (other than perhaps wishful thinking?) within the coaching staff or management against smaller players - quite the opposite in fact.
 
Menzinger said:
Seems little indication that there's a any particular bias (other than perhaps wishful thinking?) within the coaching staff or management against smaller players - quite the opposite in fact.
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If anything what we are seeing Small is better than useless big size. I hope managment doesnt draft slow as snail playoff choker size players. Small and skill wins championships, not big size guys.
I think you will see Hunter continue to do the right way and draft skill players especially by watching the playoffs. Size players arent good enough to perform in the playoffs.

I love the new skill approach as these players have looked good for us in the system.
Something pathetic Nonis wouldnt ever do. In Nonis we dont trust.
Size mantra is for people who want to get dangled out of their skates on the ice.
Leave the size players to the lost on the ice system. Big Giants dont have a place in the NHL
 
ACC1224 said:
They sure have a bunch of them for him not being a fan.
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Small and skill is better than size and thats been proven over and over again. Too bad some have a narrative for size love all though size makes a system weaker.
Babcock likes skill and competitiveness. No wonder he loves guys like Marner and Kadri. Small, skill, and tenacity. Babcock loves small and skill players
 
Menzinger said:
Seems little indication that there's a any particular bias (other than perhaps wishful thinking?) within the coaching staff or management against smaller players - quite the opposite in fact.
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Hyman is a perfect example of coach preference, where there are numerous smaller skilled wingers in the organization, but don't expect them to replace Hyman any time soon.

Bracco won't be one of those types that would have the coach changing his mind any time soon.

Leafs should be focused on finding higher skilled Hyman style players that also can do all the other heavy lifting, forechecking and crashing the net job responsibilities. Little perimeter waterbugs that can't win puck battles or play in traffic or the blue paint will be depth/injury fill-ins and only a small amount of these types on the roster at one point in time intentionally. IMO
 
Randy Randerson said:
I don't think I agree with this, he's a guy that gets asked about by other fanbases. The whole windsor team sucked after they loaded up, and had Bracco finished his season at the pace he was on in Kitchener that very likely would have counted as his "breakout" performance where his production was finally matching his talent.

Agree that a good AHL debut is a big boost to his value but I don't think his value is near nil right now
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Small scoring forwards are a dime a dozen though. Brooks scored 120pts as a 19 year old and they got him with a 4th. A guy who stumbles hard after being traded is likely worth something less than that. The sucking of Windsor wasn't his fault but it sure didn't help his stock. I'm not saying he's no longer a prospect, they signed him after all, but when you are putting together trade packages I think Brooks would be worth more, and that is still very little. Trade bait has to be attractive and moving Bracco after this season is just selling way low.
 
Mess said:
Hyman is a perfect example of coach preference, where there are numerous smaller skilled wingers in the organization, but don't expect them to replace Hyman any time soon.

Bracco won't be one of those types that would have the coach changing his mind any time soon.

Leafs should be focused on finding higher skilled Hyman style players that also can do all the other heavy lifting, forechecking and crashing the net job responsibilities. Little perimeter waterbugs that can't win puck battles or play in traffic or the blue paint will be depth/injury fill-ins and only a small amount of these types on the roster at one point in time intentionally. IMO
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Hyman is at best average in size for an NHL player. He's aggressive on the forecheck but he's not a big power forward. If anything his play shows you don't need to be a huge guy to play that sort of role.
 
It's funny how things have changed in Leaf land. With so much real talent in the organization we don't have to get excited about decent project type prospects any longer. 4 years ago I would have been convincing myself this guys is the second coming of Kane.
 
BeLeafer11 said:
It's funny how things have changed in Leaf land. With so much real talent in the organization we don't have to get excited about decent project type prospects any longer. 4 years ago I would have been convincing myself this guys is the second coming of Kane.
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Too true! What a great time to be a Leafs fan!
 
nuck said:
Small scoring forwards are a dime a dozen though. Brooks scored 120pts as a 19 year old and they got him with a 4th. A guy who stumbles hard after being traded is likely worth something less than that. The sucking of Windsor wasn't his fault but it sure didn't help his stock. I'm not saying he's no longer a prospect, they signed him after all, but when you are putting together trade packages I think Brooks would be worth more, and that is still very little. Trade bait has to be attractive and moving Bracco after this season is just selling way low.
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They are sorta, but projection of tools weighs in. No one was going to be shocked if Bracco was taken 22nd OA in his draft year because there was thought to be a pretty good projectability of his tools to the NHL, and the chance that he could be a bonafide NHL star if he turned out. We were lucky enough to get him at the bottom of his expected range.

I really do believe that his term in Windsor will be taken with a grain of salt because there were a bunch of really big prospects who were also bad after the trade deadline, eerily similar to Timashov in Shawinigan last year

I think there's a big difference in what Bracco and Brooks could be as NHL'ers in the eyes of most scouts, and I think there would be teams willing to let a prospect like Bracco fill a gap in a trade because of the upside. No doubt that a big AHL year next year pumps his value up considerably, but I think he's got value now too
 
Mess said:
Hyman is a perfect example of coach preference, where there are numerous smaller skilled wingers in the organization, but don't expect them to replace Hyman any time soon.

Bracco won't be one of those types that would have the coach changing his mind any time soon.

Leafs should be focused on finding higher skilled Hyman style players that also can do all the other heavy lifting, forechecking and crashing the net job responsibilities. Little perimeter waterbugs that can't win puck battles or play in traffic or the blue paint will be depth/injury fill-ins and only a small amount of these types on the roster at one point in time intentionally. IMO
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Babcock likes drive trains, if Bracco has a good 200 foot "motor", he will do quite well. Personally, I don't see it, but it won't be size that Babcock rejects.
 
Everyone thought Kapanen was trade bait as well.

My prediction is Bracco plays a top 9 role with the Marlies next season.

This management group drafted him pretty high, they won't just toss him into a trade because he isn't developing as fast.
 
Mess said:
Babcock is not a big fan of small undersized wingers.

Can't see much future in the Leafs organization for Bracco.
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Babcock is not a fan of players who don't compete. If you're small and compete he will favour you instead of a big non-compete player.
 
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