Value of: Jeff Skinner

[frisco]

Is his play lately enough for a contender to look at him as a decent piece? And/or can the Sabres get rid of him without having to eat too much contract?

My Best-Carey

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[capfit9]

no

 

[kanucks25]

9M for 5 more years after this one? No chance.

With his concussion history, it'd still be risky at 50% retained.

Can't see any team being interested.

 

[Zman5778]

Is his play lately enough for a contender to look at him as a decent piece? And/or can the Sabres get rid of him without having to eat too much contract?

My Best-Carey

Answer to Q1: Absolutely. Any NHL team would love to have him right now with the way he's playing.
Answer to Q2: HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL no. That contract is WAY too onerous. We'd have to eat a significant part of that deal. Pretty sure we're stuck with him for a while, we just have to hope he keeps this level of play up (and that we never hire Snake Oil Ralphie ever again)

 

[Satanphonehome]

9M for 5 more years after this one? No chance.

With his concussion history, it'd still be risky at 50% retained.

Can't see any team being interested.

Jeff Skinner has not missed a game due to concussion since 2013-14. He hasn’t missed significant time to injury at all in EIGHT years, including 37 and 40 goal seasons.

Is this really still an issue?

(The contract is another story)

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Is his play lately enough for a contender to look at him as a decent piece? And/or can the Sabres get rid of him without having to eat too much contract?

My Best-Carey

Sabres fan here. Still worth nothing. The ultimate test? Wave him. He gets unclaimed. Eat $3M to 4 M, maybe someone takes him for free but what's the point. There is none. He's ours. He should have been signed for $7 M. (Pegulas bid against themselves.) That $7 M would be $1 M to $2 M over his play now but from a rising cap era so it could be understood. The elevation of the contract to $9 M x 8 was always the problem. No one will ever be able to explain that to me. He only wanted to play near Toronto. Leafs were out. No team could over 7 years. I'm to believe some team was out there at close to $10 M x 7? LOL. It's probably the single biggest move that shows the incompetence of the Sabres and Pegulas. The owners approved it for sure.

 

[kanucks25]

Jeff Skinner has not missed a game due to concussion since 2013-14. He hasn’t missed significant time to injury at all in EIGHT years, including 37 and 40 goal seasons.

Is this really still an issue?

(The contract is another story)

If I'm trading for him, yes it's an issue.

Simply not worth the risk based on injury history & contract.

Concussion history doesn't reset in the brain just because you haven't had one in a few years, as far as I know.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I think he does have upside to a contender in a 2016 Kessel-like role; pair him with Middle 6ers against soft matchups and he could do damage in the playoffs if the bounces are going his way. Fair value for that is probably in high 6s. Positive value requires something closer to the max.

 

[tarheelhockey]

His entire career, outside of two seasons in Buffalo, he has been a consistent 25-30 goal scorer with peaks around 40.

If you can get that for $4.5M, you're doing well. It's a question of whether Buffalo is willing to eat that much in retention.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Is his play lately enough for a contender to look at him as a decent piece? And/or can the Sabres get rid of him without having to eat too much contract?

No.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don’t see why Buffalo trades him.

 

[cwede]

9M for 5 more years after this one? No chance.
With his concussion history, it'd still be risky at 50% retained.
Can't see any team being interested.

flat Cap is real, without retention he's a tough add for most teams
probably stays with Buff at least until remaining term is much shorter, AND Cap bumps in a few years

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

No real incentive for Buffalo to move him for nothing this year unless someone’s paying good value for Buffalo to retain that long, which I doubt anyone would be. Skinner for a 3rd @ 50% doesn’t move the needle. Plus at this point he’s doing well with a leadership role for the kids on the team.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

At 50%, he probably draws some interest. The question is whether Buffalo wants to eat that much salary for at most a 2nd? Probably not.

 

[Zman5778]

At 50%, he probably draws some interest. The question is whether Buffalo wants to eat that much salary for at most a 2nd? Probably not.

If Buffalo retains 50%, we get more than a 2nd. Skinner @ 50% is basically Toffoli (ignoring the Krueger years).

 

[KrisLetAngry]

9M for 5 more years after this one? No chance.

With his concussion history, it'd still be risky at 50% retained.

Can't see any team being interested.

50% would 100% get takers.

If a team is missing goal scoring a 6 million (3 million retained) Jeff Skinner would 100% garner interest.

Honestly a team that would be cool to see him on would be Edmonton.
Rack up the point beside McDavid or Drai. Shame they are right up the cap and I don't know If Edmonton would give up the assets for Buffalo to lower the cap hit.

Just my two cents but a 6 million Skinner has takers easily.

 

[YP44]

Skinner @ 50% for Koskinen and ....

You know what there is nothing the Oilers can pay to make it worthwhile for the Sabers to retain that amount.

 

[AslanRH]

Does Skinner want to be traded?

He chose Buffalo, and now he has another similarly minded running mate in Tuch.
May want to see where that leads for a year or two.

 

[bruins4thecup65]

They will have to pay somebody a 1rst and retain 50% to get out of that mess.

 

[jn]

You need players not just picks and prospects on a team. Sabres paying to get rid of him just as he is finding his game again would be really stupid. The cap is not an issue for the team right now so the fact that he is overpaid by a lot is a lesser problem for the Sabres than it is for any other team that would have an interest.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If Buffalo retains 50%, we get more than a 2nd. Skinner @ 50% is basically Toffoli (ignoring the Krueger years).

It's a good comparison, but Skinner's contract expires in '27 rather than '24. That's a pretty significant difference in terms of trade value. Getting a 1st, a blue-chip prospect, or a noteworthy roster player would mean finding a team that doesn't have much of a long-term plan for its cap space. That usually means a rebuild, which isn't the kind of team that's looking for a Skinner.

Toffoli pulled a 1st, a 2nd round prospect, and a couple of throw-ins. Those extra three years make it look more like just a 2nd and a lower-end prospect, something like that. Unless you're good with taking a roster filler (which TBH might be the best option).

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

The contract kills any value even though he's still capable of scoring 25 goals a year still. He's playing well so there's no reason for the Sabres to retain salary in trade or pay to get rid of him any time soon.

Skinner chose Buffalo for location reasons and he has a full NMC. He's pretty much a Sabre until a possible buyout when the contract is on the last year or two.

 

[Team Cozens]

His entire career, outside of two seasons in Buffalo, he has been a consistent 25-30 goal scorer with peaks around 40.

If you can get that for $4.5M, you're doing well. It's a question of whether Buffalo is willing to eat that much in retention.

The two Ralph Krueger seasons where he was mainly on the 4th line. Otherwise, Skinner has been a top scorer in the league. Sabres actually need his salary and he gets along really well with the young players to he is going nowhere.

 

[Cogburn]

That's a big cap hit, and there's a big signing bonus next year.

I like how he's looked so far this year, back on pace for his "normal" pacing. However, these drops in production over his history is troubling, as 4 times in 12 seasons he's failed to hit 20 goals, while 4 seasons he's gone 30-40 goals. He's well compensated for his "on" years, overpaid during his mean years, and an absolute albatross, each being equal odds it seems.

Cap hit, signing bonus, his NMC and his inconsistency year over year would make it very, very hard to find a team that can fit him, can use him, and that he'd agree to.

 

[tarheelhockey]

these drops in production over his history is troubling, as 4 times in 12 seasons he's failed to hit 20 goals

One of those was a 42-game season where he paced for 25 goals.