Aladyyn
they praying for the death of a rockstar
It's worth noting that Skinner still dominated xG share when playing with Ryan. Worries about sustainability are very overblown.
The other part of me looks at the fact that Skinner has consistently underperformed his expected goals throughout his career (scoring less than we would expect based on his shot locations) and then drastically outperformed them in 2018-19
30 goal winger with consistently elite offensive impact and penalty differential.Not to re-litigate this whole thing, but his scale of pay demands he produce at an elite level regardless of who he plays with. His career has shown us he's typically a 30 goal winger. Could he score 35 goals playing with Eichel? That is certainly possible. It's also very possible we get a Derek Ryan-eque center and the new coaching staff puts Skinner there. Maybe he plays with Marcus Johanssen and Jimmy Vesey and struggles.
The problem is, we simply can't reliably depend on him to produce at an elite level. Which is why this contract is just so damn awful.
I know this team has a history of doing amazingly stupid things but why in God's name would they break up Jack and Jeff? And let's just assume you are right that it takes being with Jack for him to be a 40 goal scorer. Unless you expect Jack to be run over by a speeding car tomorrow he's playing the entire contract with him so who cares? When he scores a goal with Jack is it only going to count as half a goal on the scoreboard? If he's putting up numbers he's putting up numbers.Not to re-litigate this whole thing, but his scale of pay demands he produce at an elite level regardless of who he plays with. His career has shown us he's typically a 30 goal winger. Could he score 35 goals playing with Eichel? That is certainly possible. It's also very possible we get a Derek Ryan-eque center and the new coaching staff puts Skinner there. Maybe he plays with Marcus Johanssen and Jimmy Vesey and struggles.
The problem is, we simply can't reliably depend on him to produce at an elite level. Which is why this contract is just so damn awful.
The hate came a lot quicker than 3 years.From the dollars behind the Leino, Moulson, and Okposo deals, comes the Skinner UFA contract!
It's bigger!
It's badder!
And boooooooy are we gonna hate it in 3 years!
Come one, come all, see the spectacle of the Pegula's literally lighting money on fire!
Think so?(I think Jack benefits from playing with Jeff more than the other way around)
Well, I wasnt a fan of this deal from day one, but even I didn't see him falling off this much. Still, Im not sure why Krueger is so hesitant to put him with Eichel. That's where he had the most success, and he brought what we're currently lacking the most- ES scoring.I cant deny, I feel similar, and I know the strong majority disagree. I hope I'm wrong. I like Skinner's attitude, but he disappears for long stretches. Hopefully a better team will bring out the best in him.
Contact being bad is self evident at this point but not sure I'd be any happier about it if it were $7M per or $6M per even if it would have seemed a bargain the day it were signed.Since signing the contract:
72 games
14 goals
10 assists
24 points
He's not getting younger but a new coach could probably turn him into a 20 goal scorer.
BUYOUT DATE | BASE SALARY REMAINING | S.BONUS REMAINING | YEARS REMAINING | BUYOUT LENGTH | AGE | BUYOUT RATIO | TOTAL COST | TOTAL SAVINGS | ANNUAL COST |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jun 15, 2023 | $32,000,000 | $0 | 4 | 8 | 31 | 2/3 | $21,333,333 | $10,666,667 | $2,666,667 |
SEASON | INITIAL BASE SALARY | INITIAL CAP HIT | SIGNING BONUS | BUYOUT COST | POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS | SAVINGS | CAP HIT (
|
2023-24 | $10,000,000 | $9,000,000 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | $7,333,333 | $1,666,667 |
2024-25 | $10,000,000 | $9,000,000 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | $7,333,333 | $1,666,667 |
2025-26 | $7,000,000 | $9,000,000 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | $4,333,333 | $4,666,667 |
2026-27 | $5,000,000 | $9,000,000 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | $2,333,333 | $6,666,667 |
2027-28 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | -$2,666,667 | $2,666,667 |
2028-29 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | -$2,666,667 | $2,666,667 |
2029-30 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | -$2,666,667 | $2,666,667 |
2030-31 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $2,666,667 | $2,666,667 | -$2,666,667 | $2,666,667 |
TOTAL | $32,000,000 | $36,000,000 | $0 | $21,333,333 | $21,333,333 | $10,666,667 | $25,333,336 |
Deservedly.The hate came a lot quicker than 3 years.
Can we lock this thread so it goes away and doesn't further depress is?
I dunno I kinda like it being back.
Holy crap, he signed another 8 year deal? He's here through 2035?
Just use the ignore thread function.Can we lock this thread so it goes away and doesn't further depress is?
There's places you simply don't go, not even as a joke.Holy crap, he signed another 8 year deal? He's here through 2035?