Value of: Jay Bouwmeester

[Toronto makebeleifs]

So in looking at St. Louis' situation with shattenkirk, I personally think they try and keep him. Now if that does happen, they'll have an excellent defensive corps with some decent prospects coming up as well. Could management consider moving Jay bow for some assets up front for another potential cup run? From the leafs I'd offer jvr+marincin+michalek for jbow+ lehtera+ Fabbri.

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[Toby Flenderson]

That makes the blues significantly worse

 

[longchange]

So in looking at St. Louis' situation with shattenkirk, I personally think they try and keep him. Now if that does happen, they'll have an excellent defensive corps with some decent prospects coming up as well. Could management consider moving Jay bow for some assets up front for another potential cup run? From the leafs I'd offer jvr+marincin+michalek for jbow+ lehtera+ Fabbri.

I hope that's a joke...

 

[Meatwagon]

So in looking at St. Louis' situation with shattenkirk, I personally think they try and keep him. Now if that does happen, they'll have an excellent defensive corps with some decent prospects coming up as well. Could management consider moving Jay bow for some assets up front for another potential cup run? From the leafs I'd offer jvr+marincin+michalek for jbow+ lehtera+ Fabbri.

St. Louis will not move Fabbri. He's our future Giroux.

 

[stl76]

So in looking at St. Louis' situation with shattenkirk, I personally think they try and keep him. Now if that does happen, they'll have an excellent defensive corps with some decent prospects coming up as well. Could management consider moving Jay bow for some assets up front for another potential cup run? From the leafs I'd offer jvr+marincin+michalek for jbow+ lehtera+ Fabbri.

Terrible offer. TBH I would not consider this offer for Fabbri ALONE, much less with Bouwmeester and Lehtera.

 

[Brendonhayden]

Fabbri is worth that plus alone but to include the other two is terrible if you want jay bow and or lethera that's fine but unless we get one of nylander or marener plus you can't have fabbri just for future reference here are our untuchables in no order fabbri tarasenko Parayko pietrangelo and Schwartz unless it is a huge op you can't have any of those players.

 

[hamzarocks]

Lock this up please. No a good trade for the blues and majority of leaf fans understand that. Fabbri is obviously part of the big 3 for the blues moving forward (tank, schwartz)

 

[BA Carroll]

Here's the skinny on Jay Bouwmeester.
He's being paid as a top pairing defender, and there's no doubt he's a steady player who eats a lot of minutes, against top players. And he's still got a great outlet pass, and his hockey IQ and leadership are underrated.

But he hasn't produced enough offensively to justify his contract, and he's beginning to lose a step. And, for all that he has great size, he's never been a bruising stay-at-home defender. His game was largely reliant on his mobility, which isn't what it used to be.

The Blues have a fantastic stable full of up-and-coming young defenders who project, at some point, to step into the lineup--but they're not quite ready.

All that considered, Bouwmeester still has more value to the Blues than reasonable return he might bring in trade.

They'll keep him for now, expose him in the expansion draft, and he will almost certainly be taken. His contract will help Las Vegas get to the cap floor, and his leadership will be very valuable to that team.

 

[BA Carroll]

Lock this up please. No a good trade for the blues and majority of leaf fans understand that. Fabbro is obviously part of the big 3 for the blues moving forward (tank, schwartz)

I agree that the thought of the Blues trading Jay Bouwmeester is laughable. I just posted a reply, politely explaining why that is so.

That said, I really resent it when posters shut down conversation by demanding mods "lock" a thread that they dislike. It's a public forum. Unless there is hate speech, vulgar remarks or over-the-top personal attacks involved, who does any poster (or mod!) think they are to silence opinions on an open forum?

It's amazing how tolerant we've become of intolerant people.

 

[hamzarocks]

I agree that the thought of the Blues trading Jay Bouwmeester is laughable. I just posted a reply, politely explaining why that is so.

That said, I really resent it when posters shut down conversation by demanding mods "lock" a thread that they dislike. It's a public forum. Unless there is hate speech, vulgar remarks or over-the-top personal attacks involved, who does any poster (or mod!) think they are to silence opinions on an open forum?

It's amazing how tolerant we've become of intolerant people.

It isn't bouwmeester that I bet the blue fans care about. I wouldn't do jvr for bow. It's trading fabbri (the main loss) along with lethra (top 9 center) and bouw(top 4 dmen) for jvr (1st liner), marincin(current bottom pairing dmen), and michalek (cap dump). I said to lock it up because blues fans already said they wouldn't do the trade for Fabbri. He's a huge part of there future and they have no reasons to move him. I said to lock it up because threads like this always evolve into a mess with fans from both teams calling out opposing players teams. The leafs don't have an asset that they can afford to make available to get fabbro. We have our core guys and they aren't for sale, and fabbri is a core guy in St Louis and he's not for sale judging from the early replies in this thread.

 

[longchange]

They'll keep him for now, expose him in the expansion draft, and he will almost certainly be taken. His contract will help Las Vegas get to the cap floor, and his leadership will be very valuable to that team.

Hmm they could still get a decent return on him, even if it isn't exactly market value. Also, his cap hit is 5.4 million for 3 more years...that shouldn't be a problem for some teams to take on. They could leave a number of other guys exposed and on top of that they have a decent D prospect pool. Seems strange to just give him up unless there's absolutely no team willing to take a fair chunk of his salary on (I doubt that's the case).

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Fair, I was given the impression by blues fans that lehtera was approaching cap dump territory. My justification is that jvr helps offset the loss of Backes, marincin is cost controlled for another 3 yrs and is currently a decent #5, michalek is there to offset $ and is still going to provide depth scoring. Granted, I get where st.louis is coming from on Fabbri. Going back to the point of the post, would you move jbow to keep shatty, and what is he worth?

 

[BlueDream]

I agree that the thought of the Blues trading Jay Bouwmeester is laughable. I just posted a reply, politely explaining why that is so.

That said, I really resent it when posters shut down conversation by demanding mods "lock" a thread that they dislike. It's a public forum. Unless there is hate speech, vulgar remarks or over-the-top personal attacks involved, who does any poster (or mod!) think they are to silence opinions on an open forum?

It's amazing how tolerant we've become of intolerant people.

You must be new here.

He said that because how many times do Blues fans and neutral fans (maybe even some Leafs fans too, apparently) need to come in and say it's a terrible trade over and over? It's just going to promote attacks, and everyone knows it's a bad offer. There's no point in keeping threads like this open, it happens a lot.

 

[Brendonhayden]

Fair, I was given the impression by blues fans that lehtera was approaching cap dump territory. My justification is that jvr helps offset the loss of Backes, marincin is cost controlled for another 3 yrs and is currently a decent #5, michalek is there to offset $ and is still going to provide depth scoring. Granted, I get where st.louis is coming from on Fabbri. Going back to the point of the post, would you move jbow to keep shatty, and what is he worth?

I would not because jay now is a lefty and shatty is not good on his off side at all. Just a heads up fabbri is very valuable we value him like he will become giroux. On lethera had a bad season and his cap hit is high but he is not a cap dump yet in a year he may be but if he gets good conditioning he will be a top sixer if not he will be a cap dump

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Ntc.

 

[BA Carroll]

Hmm they could still get a decent return on him, even if it isn't exactly market value. Also, his cap hit is 5.4 million for 3 more years...that shouldn't be a problem for some teams to take on. They could leave a number of other guys exposed and on top of that they have a decent D prospect pool. Seems strange to just give him up unless there's absolutely no team willing to take a fair chunk of his salary on (I doubt that's the case).

Perhaps you're right. Actually, I may have misspoken earlier--if I remember correctly, J-Bo has some form of trade protections in place that might preclude exposing him in the expansion draft. I'll have to do some digging and find out. In any event, the general sentiment among Blues fans is that we're likely stuck with him for the life of his contract, for better or worse. And it's not as though he's a fan whipping boy--Jay is still a great player--we just look forward to having the opportunity to move some of that salary from defense and apply it towards upgrading some forward positions.

But for now, we may be stacked on RHD, but LHD isn't an area where we have much depth. I don't relish the idea of seeing Gunnarson or Edmundson playing top pairing minutes, and I'd rather not force Pietrangelo or Parayko to play their off-side. Until better options emerge, I just don't see any realistic scenario where he gets moved.

 

[BA Carroll]

Ntc.

Beat me to it.

 

[The Examiner]

You must be new here.

He said that because how many times do Blues fans and neutral fans (maybe even some Leafs fans too, apparently) need to come in and say it's a terrible trade over and over? It's just going to promote attacks, and everyone knows it's a bad offer. There's no point in keeping threads like this open, it happens a lot.

Interesting.

I guess you're new here too because the whole point of this thread was to see what value JBo has and NOT the specific trade the OP proposed.

I say this because how many times do people NOT read the whole post and jump to whatever part of the post gets them enraged and proceed to derail the thread? It happens a lot.

As far as JBo (the whole point of the thread) and the Leafs go:

Do.Not.Want.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

Thread title says Bouwmeester, but the biggest chip in the hypothetical trade is Fabbri. I can't make sense of this.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Perhaps you're right. Actually, I may have misspoken earlier--if I remember correctly, J-Bo has some form of trade protections in place that might preclude exposing him in the expansion draft. I'll have to do some digging and find out. In any event, the general sentiment among Blues fans is that we're likely stuck with him for the life of his contract, for better or worse. And it's not as though he's a fan whipping boy--Jay is still a great player--we just look forward to having the opportunity to move some of that salary from defense and apply it towards upgrading some forward positions.

But for now, we may be stacked on RHD, but LHD isn't an area where we have much depth. I don't relish the idea of seeing Gunnarson or Edmundson playing top pairing minutes, and I'd rather not force Pietrangelo or Parayko to play their off-side. Until better options emerge, I just don't see any realistic scenario where he gets moved.

Well, makes sense. If you could trade him for a LHD and add a sweetner to try and upgrade what (if he waives his nmc) would the blues be looking for? Fowler? Again, this is all on the inclusion of shattenkirk going forward- dispite the planet saying he gets traded

 

[Finnish your Czech]

So in looking at St. Louis' situation with shattenkirk, I personally think they try and keep him. Now if that does happen, they'll have an excellent defensive corps with some decent prospects coming up as well. Could management consider moving Jay bow for some assets up front for another potential cup run? From the leafs I'd offer jvr+marincin+michalek for jbow+ lehtera+ Fabbri.

Your proposal is bad. Bouwmeester wouldn't be a bad fit, but he doesn't really fit the Leafs timeline and might cost a lot

 

[The Examiner]

Thread title says Bouwmeester, but the biggest chip in the hypothetical trade is Fabbri. I can't make sense of this.

It's pretty clear, actually. He made his point about JBo and made his offer from the Leafs.

It's really not that hard to understand. You're obsessing over his proposal when you should be either offering a counter-proposal, adding your 2 cents on what JBo is worth or giving your opinion on whether they should keep Shattenkirk over JBo.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

It's pretty clear, actually. He made his point about JBo and made his offer from the Leafs.

It's really not that hard to understand. You're obsessing over his proposal when you should be either offering a counter-proposal, adding your 2 cents on what JBo is worth or giving your opinion on whether they should keep Shattenkirk over JBo.

Wow, someone that get it. Kudos sir.

 

[Meatwagon]

Someone else mentioned it in here, but there's something popping up about JBow that's been driving me crazy lately and that's his contract.

I've seen on multiple occasions poster talking about his contract and how expensive he is, etc,etc. He's isn't being paid like a #1 anymore, I would actually consider JBow a bargain for what he can offer a team with less defensive depth than St. Louis. He's making 5.4 mil for 3 more years, that's a freaking bargain for a player fully capable of playing 1st pairing minutes. He can still skate like the wind and move the puck, his production has dipped, but he's making less than Smid. Let that sink in for a minute, Ladislav Smid makes more than Jbow(I think they signed their respective contracts within the same year) Jbo is no longer a franchise #1 defenseman, but he's a damned good #2 on a really good contract, and could easily be a #1 for a non cup caliber team.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

It's pretty clear, actually. He made his point about JBo and made his offer from the Leafs.

It's really not that hard to understand. You're obsessing over his proposal when you should be either offering a counter-proposal, adding your 2 cents on what JBo is worth or giving your opinion on whether they should keep Shattenkirk over JBo.

Wow, someone that get it. Kudos sir.

OK, counter-proposal to acquire Joffrey Lupul:

Jbo+Lehtera+Upshall for Lupul+Michalek+Matthews