I apologize, I misremembered it. The quote was “Jason Robertson wants 8 years at $11M AAV. THAT is the ask and he isn’t budging”. So it’s even better than I thought.
Confirmed with Link: Jason Robertson SIGNED (4 years, $7.75m AAV)
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Is your policy just to never offer someone older than 26 a contract? I wouldn't let the fact that Benn and Seguin's bodies imploded guide the decision making on every player. The aforementioned largely relied on dynamic athleticism whereas Robertson relies on intelligence.
If it is an 8 year contract at 26+, I would be very cautious if it was my decision. I imagine any team that dealt with a situation similar to our Benn/Seguin situation will be as well.
I recognize that I may be overreacting based on what has happened with Benn and Seguin but it's tough not to with the affect their play and contracts are having on the team right now.
Regarding Robertson's longevity, I can see two sides to this. Like you said, he relies on IQ more than anything else which should help his play age well. However, you could argue that he is already a slower skater and if he ever loses half a step that could be extremely detrimental. The team will have to evaluate all of that when it comes time to decide whether Robertson deserves the risk of an 8-year contract at the ancient age of 27
Power to you if you think that signing a guy that can't skate into his mid 30s is a good idea but it's time for this organization to start respecting aging curves. You're going to have to pay JRob when he's 27 for another 8 years based on how he's performed in the absolute peak of his career, there's absolutely no need to do that if you can avoid it.
Fans want to lock Hintz into a deal taking him to 34.... Now JRob too. I'm just saying that it's more likely than not that our guys aren't special enough to avoid the impact of Father Time.
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I suppose Colorado should've walked away from MacKinnon? Hey, maybe they should have. Maybe relentlessly churning the roster like a college football team is the smart play and will be looked at as a revolutionary advancement in a decade. I actually agree that players' primes are at a much younger age than is commonly thought. But that's not how hockey decision makers who take into account brand strength, team culture, continuity etc. presently operate.
You don't churn through them. You sign great players like JRob to 8 year deals when they are young instead of 4 year deals. Bet on their potential if you believe in them. You get them through their prime and then when they are likely starting to trend downward by the age of 30 you decide whether to just walk away or negotiate a new contract.
MacKinnon is different. When the player is one of the absolute best in the game you make exceptions.
Comparing MacKinnon to JRob is laughable and you know it. It's way easier for COL to re-sign him after winning the cup. If our franchise is in a similar situation, I'll have no issue with it, especially if Jason puts up several 90 point seasons (good luck Jason!!).
There's nothing wrong with moving on from players after theyre out of their primes. Especially if teams do a good job of selling exciting players in their farm system to fans (The Stars have not done this well). More and more NHL teams are doing it and it will be common place as analytics continue to be pushed. Teams are signing guys from 21/22 to 27-30 and they will move on from them.
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You have to have exciting players in your farm system first. There are no guarantees that we continue to have those players, or that our current ones pan out.
Unless you're planning to pull off a Huberdeau-for-Tkachuk style trade every time a young franchise-level talent reaches their mid to late 20s and wants term, this is a recipe for massive failure at an organizational level. Letting elite talent walk just to potentially avoid cap pain down the road obviously is not going to lead to success very often.
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Hey guys, I was just looking stats up for fun and looked at Robertson's draft year in Kingston. He's a big body, had a great year with over 40 goals, outscoring the next best scorer on his team by 30 points; why wasn't he drafted earlier? Was there any concern with him translating to the NHL?
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Assuming some of these perspectives have changed? Looks like the perfect deal to me. He's starting to produce at Hart levels, and if he does so for the next 4 years we will have gotten that production at bargain basement prices, while shedding Benn and Seguins contracts. If he keeps it up, there's no issue offering him a huge deal.
I also think part of it is we should know what we have with the likes of Johnston and Stankoven who look like tracking a similar trajectory (amazing if either somehow turn out this good lol). If they turn into genuine NHL superstars, then we should have some flexibility with what we might want to do (not saying we'd let Robertson go, but lots of things can change in 4 years).
I also think part of it is we should know what we have with the likes of Johnston and Stankoven who look like tracking a similar trajectory (amazing if either somehow turn out this good lol). If they turn into genuine NHL superstars, then we should have some flexibility with what we might want to do (not saying we'd let Robertson go, but lots of things can change in 4 years).
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This was about the most the team could give Robo. He's playing at a level i don't think we quite expected but in a more offensive system 90-100 points wasn't an unreasonable guess of what he could produce after last season. You score 41 goals in the ultimate turtle when leading system you've shown you have the talent for more.
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CBJ fan coming in peace here.
I’m baffled.
coming into this season Robertson was playing to a 1.07 PPG pace.
this season, Robertson is at a 0.58 PPG pace… that’s an absurd dip in production.
infact over an 82 game season, he’s on pace for 48 (!!!) points.
he currently sits at:
5 goals,
9 assists,
14 points in 24 games played.
he’s in the midst of just a brutal stretch of hockey…
7 points in his last 14 games played and just one goal. what’s even more baffling is… he’s barely shooting the puck. just 28 shots on goal in those 14 games is not going to cut it. this season he’s averaging 2.37 shots on goal per game. the year he was an all star (2 seasons ago) he was averaging nearly FOUR shots on goal per game. that’s an insnae dip in numbers!!
he’s signed at a whopping near 8 million a year for one more season after this one.
so for those who have watched him play this season/have any idea what to make of all of this… help me understand. has he been as putrid as his stats say?
I’m baffled.
coming into this season Robertson was playing to a 1.07 PPG pace.
this season, Robertson is at a 0.58 PPG pace… that’s an absurd dip in production.
infact over an 82 game season, he’s on pace for 48 (!!!) points.
he currently sits at:
5 goals,
9 assists,
14 points in 24 games played.
he’s in the midst of just a brutal stretch of hockey…
7 points in his last 14 games played and just one goal. what’s even more baffling is… he’s barely shooting the puck. just 28 shots on goal in those 14 games is not going to cut it. this season he’s averaging 2.37 shots on goal per game. the year he was an all star (2 seasons ago) he was averaging nearly FOUR shots on goal per game. that’s an insnae dip in numbers!!
he’s signed at a whopping near 8 million a year for one more season after this one.
so for those who have watched him play this season/have any idea what to make of all of this… help me understand. has he been as putrid as his stats say?
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First off, sorry about your fantasy team. I know it hurts when you draft a guy this high and see him putting up putrid numbers.
Second, the numbers reflect his play. It’s not like he’s just getting unlucky with shots. He’s also not getting enough shots nor enough quality shots.
Why? Well, he had foot surgery right before the season started. Is that a factor? Maybe. For sure, his already poor skating is now abysmal. He’s one of the slowest players in the league now, so his ability to get to pucks or get into open space is deteriorated.
In addition, the Stars have yet to find someone who did what Pavelski did for the line a couple of seasons ago.
Second, the numbers reflect his play. It’s not like he’s just getting unlucky with shots. He’s also not getting enough shots nor enough quality shots.
Why? Well, he had foot surgery right before the season started. Is that a factor? Maybe. For sure, his already poor skating is now abysmal. He’s one of the slowest players in the league now, so his ability to get to pucks or get into open space is deteriorated.
In addition, the Stars have yet to find someone who did what Pavelski did for the line a couple of seasons ago.
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