BrokenFace
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I've heard GMs say that when they're team is floundering, other GMs offer anchors not life vests. OP, Jarry is an anchor
Proposal: Jarry to Avs
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Michael Farkas
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Dipsy Doodle
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It's not a good offer. Never said it was.
One year downgrade though, with Ned and Blom to pick up the slack.
Michael Farkas
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That's easy to hope for. And I've always been a big Ned fan since his junior days, but it's just a lot of investment to make (taking on a replacement level player, retaining on Jarry for years, etc.) and it's not clear that the situation meaningfully improves. I know that everyone on the planet hates Jarry right now and I'm not saying he's god's gift to goaltending (though, I'm not sure everyone is evaluating the actual player here)...but this is a video game move, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me with the logistics involved.
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Georgiev may be a disaster but at least he’s gone after this year. Zero interest in taking on a bigger and longer contract for a guy who also isn’t the answer for us in net. I’d rather just name Annunen the starter and let Georgiev finish his contract from the bench.
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For the record, I didn't advocate retaining.
I feel Jarry's just run out of rope here. The guy's nearly 30, he's never got it done in the playoffs, he lost the net to a journeyman last year, and he's getting outplayed by a rookie this year. If there's a corner for him to turn, its not in Pittsburgh.
If there's any deal that sees him shipped out of town for a cheaper expiring contract, I'm taking that all day.
What is the plan for the Penguins? Its a longshot to make the playoffs. The big guns are one year closer to retirement. Soon enough the goal is to suck and get the next Lemieux/Jagr/Crosby/Malkin right?
When does the plan start to assemble? Pawning off Jarry for anything of value seems to be a move in the right direction, right? And retaining while taking in picks is the obvious way to start I'd think. You dont get better in the meantime and start stacking picks.
For the record, I dont want Jarry on my Avs, but hes the best "available" option at this moment to discuss around. Id prefer to find a way to play .500 hockey until Landeskog, Nuke, Lehkonen, and Drouin are healthy.
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I don't think the Pens need much in terms of assets for Jarry, but they also don't want to retain on him for 4 years. A cap dump with a year or two left on their contract is preferred vs retention. I'd do Jarry for Georgiev straight up.
If you want to get real nuts I'd send Graves back in the deal and you can dump whoever you want back.
If you want to get real nuts I'd send Graves back in the deal and you can dump whoever you want back.
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The plan is to tread water this year while the prospects and reclamation projects we picked up at the deadline and offseason develop, and dead money sheds off the books. The year after they try to make the playoffs, and two years from now shove the chips in before Sid retires.
Our goalie by the time that happens will be Blomqvist or Murashov. Jarry and Ned are gone sooner or later. Ditto for Eller, Hayes and Acciari, maybe Pettersson too. Beauvillier, Puljujarvi, Glass and Grzelcyk will sink or swim.
Scorched earth does not commence until Sid hangs it up. You can debate the sanity of that plan, but Dubas and ownership have explicitly said, that is the plan.
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Bender
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Im a lifelong Jagr fan and cheering for you guys from the West, but seems like a stretch. Assuming one of those two G's hit, the team will be garbage mode tanking then, John Gibson style.
Sid gets whatever he wants so I understand re-signing him, but this seems like the obvious time to start embracing the tank.
Sid or Geno need to go into MVP mode for the Pens to have a shot.
Not sure what goalie the AV's can sign next year. Jarry due to the younger Pens goalies coming along will be moved. Jarry may benefit from a change of scenery. But to suggest he is a bad goalie is simply wrong. He is very capable and I keep him this year. Off season we will see then. Still think a team will see Jarry with 3 years left at a decent contract as value.
Michael Farkas
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Well, the plan is to try to infuse some jump into the lineup because nothing is a longshot with Crosby. He almost singlehandedly willed the team to the playoffs last year. But a lackluster bottom six made that really tough...Malkin wasn't exactly feelin' it either. So, it was just Crosby vs. all for much of the year. Jarry was on the fringes of fringe Vezina consideration around the turn of the year (he was excellent for the first few months, a game stealer at times), but that fell away to the point that Ned took over for a dozen games or so late.
Pawning off Jarry "for anything" doesn't make sense, no. Not to say that he's untouchable or some great asset by any means. But he has really high hockey sense, he's athletic, one of the league's top stickhandlers, and there's actually some technical upside in him. Like, Fleury, sometimes.........well...sometimes [stuff] happens that you wouldn't expect from a goalie of that caliber, respectively. He did have a bad series against the Isles a number of years ago and we haven't forgotten that...but in the trash-confusion, some fans that blame Jarry also chalk that one to Sullivan, when if you look at the games, it can't be both haha - so that's a whole different mess for the fanbase to figure out (it was Jarry's fault).
The thing is that if we get back "anything of value" that assumes that we don't take on a goalie like Georgiev. A goalie that I find to be a fringe NHLer from a technical perspective. The Pens changed their whole life last year to become a much more passive defensive team to just find some footing for a large, large chunk of the year (an "adjustment", as buzzwords go, and a big one). That has not been the case early on this year, so then you get the philosophical discussion of: If you aren't gonna play D/are gonna play Ryan Graves regularly/etc. do you want an athletic/potential stealer (a la a Fleury type?) or do you want someone that can reliably make saves that are straight away and if you give up a problem, you're almost certainly giving up a goal? Frankly, I don't find Georgiev to be either of them and never have. But if he's any of them, it's the former. And as such, he's a far worse version of Jarry in virtually every way (mental, technical, etc.).
So, that's not value. That's just worse goaltending. And it doesn't sound like Colorado fans should or would give up enough to make the downgrade worthwhile. Which is fair. It's not like Jarry looks like the solution to your issue, but if he DID look like, this wouldn't be a discussion because he'd be the answer to our problem, right? That's why you really have to dig in on players (especially goalies) to try to figure out who works where. But anyway...
Dubas went for prospects that were closer to NHL ready than draft picks where ever he could. He understands that this whole thing falls into the two rivers that Pittsburgh folks pretend are three the second that Sidney Crosby says he's had enough. The team has made some poor personnel decisions and worse scouting decisions to the point that we've gotten more skater games played from undrafted players than draft picks over the last 10 drafts or whatever the hell it is. It's embarrassing. Though he's trying to change the personnel...until proven otherwise, giving this group draft picks is like giving 16 year olds a bunch of Jack Daniels and the keys to the family car.
In short, there's just no reason to downgrade the roster without substantial asset-based incentive. Unless, of course, it becomes so incredibly obvious that Ned/Blomqvist or Ned/[other goalie] can carry a starter's load (Ned is in his 29 year old season and has one season as a starter...Blomqvist has played two NHL games and was only okay in both of them - which is fine).
Though folks continue to covet cap space - which obviously has value - it only has value if you have something to spend it on. And yes, you'd rather have flexibility than not so you can make more moves. But Jarry's contract isn't that big of a ticket versus the goalie world. About two-thirds of it is covered next year by just retention stuff coming off the books, even if the cap doesn't flinch at all. We have no one to pay because we haven't drafted anyone relevant since Guentzel. So...I'd rather have the potential of Jarry than most other goalies that fall between the, whatever, 7th best to 34th best in the league because there isn't a huge difference between them. And, to be clear, I don't personally find Georgiev to fall into that range.
It's about the commitment. Georgiev is stinking up the joint, but only until the offseason. Then the Avs can go about finding a genuine upgrade. The commitment to Jarry is everything here. I don't see any kind of market for Jarry until more years are burned off that contract, which was regrettable before the ink was dry. He'll need to play his way back to league average (or better) for the market to shift, and I don't know that retention really creates much more of a market right now.
Goaltending is hardly the Avs' whole problem this year, anyway. With their injuries up front, this isn't the year for the Avs to start lobbing hail mary passes (and certainly not in mid-October).
More generally, NHL trade markets don't really ramp up until close to US Thanksgiving. Teams want to see what they have first.
Goaltending is hardly the Avs' whole problem this year, anyway. With their injuries up front, this isn't the year for the Avs to start lobbing hail mary passes (and certainly not in mid-October).
More generally, NHL trade markets don't really ramp up until close to US Thanksgiving. Teams want to see what they have first.
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