Value of: Jarome Iginla

[Don Corleone]

Why do people even want Iginla? It must be because he is a big name and people have not watched him play for the last 2 years. Seriously, there are free agents available that cost far less and are better players. Who would want to give assets especially during the offseason for an aging Iginla who is nothing more than a PP specialist at this point. To make it even worse he makes 5+ million this season.

 

[slobbergob]

He's not even really good on the PP. He played in a PP system that force fed him shots over and over similar to Ovechkin in Washington. It killed momentum and was fairly easy to stop. Unless his new team is going to do the same, his PP numbers are going to drop like a rock.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

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so kinda those 2?

Yeah, exactly those 2. There is absolutely nothing good about the Denver area except legal weed.

 

[Skobel24]

he has 600+g and 1300 pts more in the NHL than you do

That applies to everyone here.

Iginla is a shell of his former self. He's not an effective player anymore. He's a slow bottom 6 forward.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

He's not even really good on the PP. He played in a PP system that force fed him shots over and over similar to Ovechkin in Washington. It killed momentum and was fairly easy to stop. Unless his new team is going to do the same, his PP numbers are going to drop like a rock.

I don't know about that. Force feeding him pucks for shots is a good way to suppress everyone's PP numbers, including his. He's a good playmaker as well, and at this point he might even be a better playmaker than shooter.

Even a few years back when he was top line material and Tanguay was on the team, the Flames PP sucked balls because Tanguay was QBing and constantly fed the puck to Iginla, which was even ineffective at that time. Only reason it works with Ovechkin is because he's an elite goal scorer who's still in his prime.

 

[cgf]

haha, maybe. that's kind of why I ask. it's a curious question. I think he'd be good in a line 3-4 role in the playoffs. can't see him on special teams too much unless he starts the season on a new team. He must be close to retirement... carries a larger cap hit given present production.... 3rd round pick? 2nd if Colorado is better than 10th at the deadline?

The PP is the only place he still holds any value. Teeing up in the Ovy-area is where the majority of his goals came from last season.

 

[slobbergob]

I don't know about that. Force feeding him pucks for shots is a good way to suppress everyone's PP numbers, including his. He's a good playmaker as well, and at this point he might even be a better playmaker than shooter.

Even a few years back when he was top line material and Tanguay was on the team, the Flames PP sucked balls because Tanguay was QBing and constantly fed the puck to Iginla, which was even ineffective at that time. Only reason it works with Ovechkin is because he's an elite goal scorer who's still in his prime.

You don't know about what? That he was force fed PP shots or that his numbers will drop if a new team doesn't?

He was most definitely force fed shots, and while his shot is still good, it's not good enough for that to be your number one play. He had almost 40 more shot attempts than the next closest Av.

He had 18 pp points last year, with 13 goals. It was clearly somewhat effective but predictable and a giant momentum killer.

 

[Sparky93]

I'd probably do Wideman for Iggy. One year left, retire a Flames. Slot him on the 3rd line with Bennett and Tkachuk.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I'd probably do Wideman for Iggy. One year left, retire a Flames. Slot him on the 3rd line with Bennett and Tkachuk.

As an Avs fan, I really don't want Wideman on our team. We already get enough bad calls from the refs, why bring in a guy that was suspended for hitting a ref?

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Avs shouldn't be entertaining anyone for Iggy with more than 1 year left, let's just get Iggy off the books and look at other free agents or spend the money internally if our prospects develop.

I appreciate the goals Iggy gets, he's still got the hands to score. But everywhere else on the ice he simply doesn't fit with our team.

 

[MrGameAndWatch]

Conditions for a Wideman - Iginla trade:

-Happens at deadline
-Both players have crap seasons
-Flames has to be in a playoff spot
-Colorado has to be out of a playoff spot
-One of our top 9 RW'ers are injured (Frolik/Brouwer/Chiasson)
-Iginla waives
-Wideman waives

 

[EdAVSfan]

Conditions for a Wideman - Iginla trade:

-Happens at deadline
-Both players have crap seasons
-Flames has to be in a playoff spot
-Colorado has to be out of a playoff spot
-One of our top 9 RW'ers are injured (Frolik/Brouwer/Chiasson)
-Iginla waives
-Wideman waives

Why on earth would we play out 70% of the season, and THEN trade for Wideman and have still another year left to pay him?

If iginla gets traded at the deadline, it's for a future, not for a player with more term than him. He'd be a contender acquisition, and no longer a cap dump.

In other words, so long as it's a perfect fit for Calgary, you'll trade for him...ridiculous.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Why on earth would we play out 70% of the season, and THEN trade for Wideman and have still another year left to pay him?

If iginla gets traded at the deadline, it's for a future, not for a player with more term than him. He'd be a contender acquisition, and no longer a cap dump.

In other words, so long as it's a perfect fit for Calgary, you'll trade for him...ridiculous.

...Wideman's contract is up at the end of the season.

 

[MrGameAndWatch]

Yeah this is why you check Capfriendly first.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

...Wideman's contract is up at the end of the season.

Still, using the parameters listed here, why in the world would the Avalanche make the trade?

Conditions for a Wideman - Iginla trade:

-Happens at deadline
-Both players have crap seasons
-Flames has to be in a playoff spot
-Colorado has to be out of a playoff spot
-One of our top 9 RW'ers are injured (Frolik/Brouwer/Chiasson)
-Iginla waives
-Wideman waives

 

[InfinityIggy]

Still, using the parameters listed here, why in the world would the Avalanche make the trade?

Never said they would.

 

[Kranix]

As an Avs fan, I really don't want Wideman on our team. We already get enough bad calls from the refs, why bring in a guy that was suspended for hitting a ref?

Nor should you. He's a lying baby.

 

[EdAVSfan]

...Wideman's contract is up at the end of the season.

Ah, my mistake, always thought Wideman had an extra year.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Yakupov for Iginla. Avs save some money and hope Grigorenko and Yak can re-discover their chemistry from the national team. Meanwhile the Oilers can easily absorb the extra cap and he gives us the luxury of being able to start Puljujarvi on the third line against soft competition. I also just really want to see Lucic-McDavid-Iginla be a thing.

 

[Figgy44]

The only guy I could possibly see Iggy play for, while chasing a cup, is Darryl Sutter.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

You don't know about what? That he was force fed PP shots or that his numbers will drop if a new team doesn't?

He was most definitely force fed shots, and while his shot is still good, it's not good enough for that to be your number one play. He had almost 40 more shot attempts than the next closest Av.

He had 18 pp points last year, with 13 goals. It was clearly somewhat effective but predictable and a giant momentum killer.

I don't know about force feeding him shots actually improving his scoring numbers by a significant amount. Yes, it means he's likely to have more PP goals, but if he's marginally less involved in a PP that is more effective overall, he's still likely to get a similar amount of production.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

Yakupov for Iginla. Avs save some money and hope Grigorenko and Yak can re-discover their chemistry from the national team. Meanwhile the Oilers can easily absorb the extra cap and he gives us the luxury of being able to start Puljujarvi on the third line against soft competition. I also just really want to see Lucic-McDavid-Iginla be a thing.

You get Iginla to waive, and I'll get Sakic to make the trade.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Yakupov for Iginla. Avs save some money and hope Grigorenko and Yak can re-discover their chemistry from the national team. Meanwhile the Oilers can easily absorb the extra cap and he gives us the luxury of being able to start Puljujarvi on the third line against soft competition. I also just really want to see Lucic-McDavid-Iginla be a thing.

Would love it but Iginla wont budge.

This sums up the Iginla situation. Iginla being Sideshow Bob

 

[slobbergob]

I don't know about force feeding him shots actually improving his scoring numbers by a significant amount. Yes, it means he's likely to have more PP goals, but if he's marginally less involved in a PP that is more effective overall, he's still likely to get a similar amount of production.

It took him being force fed touches on the PP for him to get the points he did. He's simply not good enough anymore to be anything more than the triggerman on the PP.

A major reason for the PP being ineffective last year was because they involved Iggy too much. I have serious doubts that he'd be able to contribute much of anything besides his shot, which would require exactly what the Avs did: making him the primary shooter.

I understand what you're saying, I just don't think it applies to Iggy because he's not really effective on the PP if he's not shooting.

 

[tony d]

Iggy deserves a chance at a Cup, got to think he'd waive to go a team going for a Cup this year at the deadline.