Jared Bednar & Co. Discussion Thread

[Miri]

I hate when that happens 4 series in a row to us against DeBoer and not once to his team.

Luck is so cruel!

You can toss a coin 4-times in a row and head can fall every time, you know.

 

[Miri]

Agree to disagree. The Avs are always forced to play to Dallas' kind of game, not vice-versa. Deboer knows how to disrupt and neutralize Bednar's system.

We had almost 50 shots in 2 games. Outshot them 24:18 or so in game 7.
I would love to see our total shot totals where DeBoer would fail to "neutralize" Bednar. Would it be in hundreds?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

You can toss a coin 4-times in a row and head can fall every time, you know.

Totally!

Hockey is like flipping a coin.

 

[Grigowski]

Hockey is like flipping a coin.

But not that many times in a row.

At some point its not just a flipping coin.....This series was not lost because "Hockey is a flipping coin"....

Looking at all the stats and wachting every game again, even non-Avs-Fans can only come to one conclusion:

The AVS lost this series way more than Dallas won it.

And i just dont get it, that a team with proven Cup-Winners, a team that has the best D-Man on the planet + the reigning MVP on their side fabricates so many mental collapse in a Series. And the cherry on top that historical collapse in Game 7, with 12 minutes left to go..... It just blows my mind....

 

[AslanRH]

Because he’s not a C?

Well, David Koci wasn't a defenseman until he was one.

I see nerves are still a bit too raw on this board for light sarcasm.
Back to Crosby trades!

 

[EdAVSfan]

Well, they do have an opening for an AC now. Maybe we get lucky and they get a guy who can specialize purely on special teams only.

 

[S E P H]

They're both examples of correlation not equaling causation IMO.

Like Patrick Roy having a losing record in Game 7's.

Like Ray Bourque losing in the playoffs 20 times before winning.

Like Steve Yzerman losing in the playoffs 11 times before winning.

Like Wayne Gretzky never winning a Cup after he left a juggernaut in Edmonton.

Like Henrik Lundvist, Curtis Joseph, Marcel Dionne, Gilbert Perrault, Peter Stastny, Michel Goulet, Pavel Bure, Mike Gartner, Cam Neely, Adam Oates, Pat Lafontaine, Dino Ciccarelli, Keith Tkachuk, Daniel Alfredsson, Jarome Iginla, Jeremy Roenick, and Paul Kariya, never winning a Stanley Cup.

Like Lindy Ruff, Roger Nielsen, Jacques Martin, Pat Quinn, and Pete DeBoer never winning a Cup.

Like Paul Maurice never winning a Cup before last year.

Yeah, hockey is a team sport and Avs as a team from CMac all the way to Wedgewood lost them a series they should have won.

 

[S E P H]

You can toss a coin 4-times in a row and head can fall every time, you know.

Going through life thinking everything is luck has to be one of the worst viewpoints you can take with yourself. There's no growth, no taking command of a situation, no pushing yourself beyond your limit. Just letting the stars fall and waking up every day with the same mindset. Brutal.

 

[Foppa2118]

Yeah, hockey is a team sport and Avs as a team from CMac all the way to Wedgewood lost them a series they should have won.

I would agree, but that's not what the commentary has been like.

 

[S E P H]

I would agree, but that's not what the commentary has been like.

Well, some people need to fall on their sword if the results don't come to fruition. Bednar and entire coaching staff should be the sacrifices. Hell, he even deserves to be fired for playing Makar 38 minutes a game in useless regular seasons matches.

I think the main sticking point between us is that I believe this is one of the top three, perhaps top two worst lost series ever in avalanche history. I have a feeling and yes this is an assumption, you consider it another playoff loss. I would argue that it's much more than that, the amount of pieces we traded, the amount of superior play we had, the amount we keep losing in OT and game 7s. This is a monumental loss, people deserve to be thrown into the lions den from this series.

 

[Foppa2118]

Going through life thinking everything is luck has to be one of the worst viewpoints you can take with yourself. There's no growth, no taking command of a situation, no pushing yourself beyond your limit. Just letting the stars fall and waking up every day with the same mindset. Brutal.

Miri isn't saying it was luck, just saying that correlation ≠ causation.

I've seen a roulette wheel hit red 15 times in a row. Same dealer the entire time, but I didn't think they rigged the game.

Something happening 4 times could mean that one of the constants was the reason, but it could also be a coincidence, like Gabe being Captain during that same time, or all those examples I gave previously.

My point has been that there needs to be more than just that one correlation, to prove Bednar was at fault. Especially for this series, when everything except special teams, which he doesn't coach, suggest otherwise.

I understand we probably won't agree and that's ok.

 

[Miri]

Going through life thinking everything is luck has to be one of the worst viewpoints you can take with yourself. There's no growth, no taking command of a situation, no pushing yourself beyond your limit. Just letting the stars fall and waking up every day with the same mindset. Brutal.

Good think this is not what i think or claim.

On other hand same can be said about the mindset that you can control everything, and if you fail, its only your own fault. Or in this case Bednar´s lol.

To quote captain Picard:
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness, that is life."

Think about it.

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[Foppa2118]

Well, some people need to fall on their sword if the results don't come to fruition. Bednar and entire coaching staff should be the sacrifices. Hell, he even deserves to be fired for playing Makar 38 minutes a game in useless regular seasons matches.

I think the main sticking point between us is that I believe this is one of the top three, perhaps top two worst lost series ever in avalanche history. I have a feeling and yes this is an assumption, you consider it another playoff loss. I would argue that it's much more than that, the amount of pieces we traded, the amount of superior play we had, the amount we keep losing in OT and game 7s. This is a monumental loss, people deserve to be thrown into the lions den from this series.

Yes, very much an incorrect assumption, to think I believe this was just another playoff loss.

Don't think I've said anything to give that assumption. I've been just as pissed as everyone else. Especially on game day.

Even said the other day it was the most shocking Avalanche loss in history, and close to the most heartbreaking, with the 99-00 loss with Bourque.

There should be something other than correlation to believe things IMO, otherwise we're at risk of confirmation bias.

 

[Miri]

Yes, very much an incorrect assumption, to think I believe this was just another playoff loss.

Don't think I've said anything to give that assumption. I've been just as pissed as everyone else. Especially on game day.

Even said the other day it was the most shocking Avalanche loss in history, and close to the most heartbreaking, with the 99-00 loss with Bourque.

There should be something other than correlation to believe things IMO, otherwise we're at risk of confirmation bias.

Bourque hit the post in the dying seconds in game 7, that could tie the game, i still remember it, If that was a goal, we could have one more Cup now. It was painful.
Just another proof how, whether you win or lose, can hang on random chance sometimes.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Going through life thinking everything is luck has to be one of the worst viewpoints you can take with yourself. There's no growth, no taking command of a situation, no pushing yourself beyond your limit. Just letting the stars fall and waking up every day with the same mindset. Brutal.

Well... I do believe some people confuse "luck" for hard work. I also think "luck" comes in many forms. Health, officiating, and more importantly... hard work.

I wish we didn't have to use the word "luck".

 

[The Kingslayer]

Bourque hit the post in the dying seconds in game 7, that could tie the game, i still remember it, If that was a goal, we could have one more Cup now. It was painful.
Just another proof how, whether you win or lose, can hang on random chance sometimes.

Deadmarsh tipped it but ya.

 

[The Kingslayer]

How does this guy still have a job? Pratt aswell. This team is ripe for a regime change and they did the bare minimum by firing a guy that should have been fired years ago.

 

[The Kingslayer]

What has he done right? George turned into a pumpkin, and Blackwood looked better when he was first traded here before that mother f***er got his talons into him.

Also, didn't George call him out in an interview after he left? Something like "You can't learn from someone who never played at this level" or some shit? Even if George was spiteful, that's still a red flag in my book.

Parkilla sucks. Its too bad the Avs cant get the Nucks goalie coach. That guy is something.

 

[Pokecheque]

Parkilla sucks. It’s too bad the Avs cant get the Nucks goalie coach. That guy is something.

Once again I have to ask, we’re going by what GEORGIEV says now? Some of y’all are going insane in the wake of this loss.

Again I ask, what has Parkkila done wrong? What goalie left the Avs and went onto become some world killer? Georgiev? Kuemper? Grubauer? Johansson? Annunen? He may not be Francois Allaire (and Allaire f***ed up during his time in Colorado I might add) but I see nothing that indicates he’s a bad goalie coach. Blackwood was off and on this season and postseason, hate to break it to ya, that’s what he’s always been. And I think he deserves some credit for getting Wedgewood back on track after a bad start in Nashville.

 

[LOFIN]

Its too bad the Avs cant get the Nucks goalie coach. That guy is something.

He's been on the job for a year.

 

[JasenR]

Once again I have to ask, we’re going by what GEORGIEV says now? Some of y’all are going insane in the wake of this loss.

You really cant blame Parkkila when what Georgiev really needed was a head doctor.

They propably even had an agreement that in no way they should ever say anything bad about him in the interviews. If you remember...

Justus was just okay and propably the nerves were getting to him too since the situtation was so bad.

Blackwood and Westwood have been solid.

 

[Pokecheque]

On the subject of luck—no championship at any level in any sport was won without a fair bit of good luck playing a role.

 

[Grigowski]

You really cant blame Parkkila when what Georgiev really needed was a head doctor.

Georgiev lacks the talent. Thats it. No head doctor or Goalie coach can help on this......

Another bullshit-signing in the end that cost us......

Man, it so f***ing hard to be a fan of this franchise right now.....

I dont see us going anywhere with the same staff next year. Bennett was the odd man out, but the majority of the problems are still on this team..... And it will bite us in the ass again next year.

I wish Kroenke would have the cojones to do what has been done with the Nuggets.......