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Jared Bednar & Co. Discussion Thread
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Qurpiz
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The guy is going to end up in the HHOF (first to win ECHL, AHL and NHL) but some of these playoff exits, in comical grandeur, and the fact that isn't he the second-longest serving coach ATM, after Cooper (?) should probably be the end of it.
Carle of course is the big name with Colorado ties to boot, but I've heard his playing style would be ... unwanted for this group.
Carle of course is the big name with Colorado ties to boot, but I've heard his playing style would be ... unwanted for this group.
Carle is the master of the turtle. It would be a gigantic shift in play style. He's probably not the best coach for us, but Bednar absolutely can't return.
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Torts sounds like a crazy idea, but I agree. Also he keeps getting hired to coach teams that need to over achieve, are young, and nowhere near contention. Why he keeps agreeing to that shit I have no idea.
I don't think our core would clash with Torts either.
Mack would probably kill a rookie coach. He already has his rough moments with Bednar.
I think they need a massive change to the play style. What we're used to doesn't work unless you get the Con Smythe version of Cale and a coked out Nuke that just beasts it all over the ice.
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Even if we ignore the personality fit for a moment, I don't think this team is built to play Torts style of hockey. They have a 2-3 year window at best and they'd be spending 1-2 years of that trying to build a roster built to play a 70 year old coach's antiquated style. A change of system/style may not be a bad thing but I think you try to meet it half way.
Carle may not be the answer either but lets find someone in between him and Torts on the scale.
dahrougem2
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I don't mean Torts in an all out defense trap it up style. Just someone who commands respect, who knows how to lead. I don't believe Berube for example is some master tactician but he has the Leafs players believing and with a "f*** you" attitude.Even if we ignore the personality fit for a moment, I don't think this team is built to play Torts style of hockey. They have a 2-3 year window at best and they'd be spending 1-2 years of that trying to build a roster built to play a 70 year old coach's antiquated style.
Carle may not be the answer either but lets find someone in between him and Torts on the scale.
I want that. I need to see MacKinnon and Makar play better in these pressure cooker games with someone who can lead. Bednar definitely has proven he cannot.
Freaky Styley
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posted this on the main board:
Not reading the whole thread, but here are my feelings on this.
Players, coaches, GM, all deserve equal share of the blame, but Bednar should take the fall.
MacFarland
The Good: Was a key cog in building the 2022 roster, was aggressive this year to fix holes and probably built the strongest team in the West on paper.
The Bad: Not re-signing Kadri is the biggest blunder since 2022. Could not find adequate replacement since, and forced us to give away Byram for nothing essentially, and Ryan Lindgren (Byram's replacement) was a huge factor on 2 goals against last night.
Bednar/staff
The Good: The Avs outplayed the Stars for most of the series. From a probability/analytics stance, they look great 5 on 5. He's one of the best coaches in the league. Got 50 wins almost using 50 different players this year.
The Bad: The PP single-handedly cost us the series. Has been consistently outcoached by Deboer. He's slow to make adjustments if he does at all. His strategy is usually just 'play Cale and Nate as much as possible'. He lacks 'feel' for his team. He is almost too cerebral - he doesn't have the ability to get the team fired up/motivated the way he needs to. Only passed the 2nd round once.
The Players
The series was lost in the first 3 games. Avs could have been up 2-1 if not 3-0. Lack of urgency and puck management is what ultimately caught up to them. Makar couldn't beat Oettinger.
All this said, if Cale Makar doesn't break his stick on a one-timer attempt, likely we aren't having this conversation and maybe the Avs go onto win the Cup. Those are the margins in hockey, and that's why it's the best. But it's also why a sober mind is necessary with this evaluation.
But it's likely going to take a couple more years before this team is ready to be serious contenders again, unless they find a way to land Sid. Most of their best trade chips are gone and lots of free agents and cap implications coming.
Not reading the whole thread, but here are my feelings on this.
Players, coaches, GM, all deserve equal share of the blame, but Bednar should take the fall.
MacFarland
The Good: Was a key cog in building the 2022 roster, was aggressive this year to fix holes and probably built the strongest team in the West on paper.
The Bad: Not re-signing Kadri is the biggest blunder since 2022. Could not find adequate replacement since, and forced us to give away Byram for nothing essentially, and Ryan Lindgren (Byram's replacement) was a huge factor on 2 goals against last night.
Bednar/staff
The Good: The Avs outplayed the Stars for most of the series. From a probability/analytics stance, they look great 5 on 5. He's one of the best coaches in the league. Got 50 wins almost using 50 different players this year.
The Bad: The PP single-handedly cost us the series. Has been consistently outcoached by Deboer. He's slow to make adjustments if he does at all. His strategy is usually just 'play Cale and Nate as much as possible'. He lacks 'feel' for his team. He is almost too cerebral - he doesn't have the ability to get the team fired up/motivated the way he needs to. Only passed the 2nd round once.
The Players
The series was lost in the first 3 games. Avs could have been up 2-1 if not 3-0. Lack of urgency and puck management is what ultimately caught up to them. Makar couldn't beat Oettinger.
All this said, if Cale Makar doesn't break his stick on a one-timer attempt, likely we aren't having this conversation and maybe the Avs go onto win the Cup. Those are the margins in hockey, and that's why it's the best. But it's also why a sober mind is necessary with this evaluation.
But it's likely going to take a couple more years before this team is ready to be serious contenders again, unless they find a way to land Sid. Most of their best trade chips are gone and lots of free agents and cap implications coming.
BobRossColton
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I do think we should still be an offense first team, but this system has ran its course. We need change, especially on special teams and in our own zone. The reliance on Toews and Makar intercepting passes instead of pressuring the puck carrier is maddening at times.
LOFIN
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He's got an absolutely shitty reputation among players in the league (source, Athletics anonymous players poll). I would like a veteran coach, but if you want to bring in an asshole you bring in Torts or none at all. Because Torts also has the respect of players.
forsbergavs32
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I guess my top 5 coach picks would be
Q
Tocchet
Torts (2 year contract with his short shelf life)
Lavi
Cronin
Q
Tocchet
Torts (2 year contract with his short shelf life)
Lavi
Cronin
Even if we ignore the personality fit for a moment, I don't think this team is built to play Torts style of hockey. They have a 2-3 year window at best and they'd be spending 1-2 years of that trying to build a roster built to play a 70 year old coach's antiquated style. A change of system/style may not be a bad thing but I think you try to meet it half way.
Carle may not be the answer either but lets find someone in between him and Torts on the scale.
I don't think Torts would coach this team that way. IIRC he didn't coach NY and Tampa that way. Columbus was a blue collar team, but not a slog it down trap team either.
Totally get being absolutely against him, but I thought he got an impressive amount of wins out of that damn team.
He commands respect, and is more liked by his teams than the perception of him lends people to believe.
I'm actually torn on who I'd prefer between Torts and Q, but our core needs a coach that the room will listen to.
A coach who hasn't won before has the highest chance of disaster for me.
stonec
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Makar and MacKinnon have played 26 and 23 minutes per game under Bednar for years now. With Torts they would have to settle for more even minutes. No Torts team has based their success on being a one-line team, which Colorado now practically is. Will they bow to that or will there be an ego clash? It would be a big change.
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dahrougem2
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They need to bow to it. Throw egos out the window. Overplaying top guys never works. Ever.
Mack often has the same amount of shifts, but like four more minutes of ice than his linemates. So it's somewhat self inflicted in his case. Often times his linemates are both on the power play too.
I don't think it would be a problem, and it was better after Cmac balanced the center depth while we were still in striking distance of Dallas.
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If JB goes then I have no doubt he’ll be hired quickly by another NHL team.
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