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Great would rather have Ouellet what's going on with Holland. Ouellet right now is better then Kindl.
I'd rather have Kindl in the press box than Ouellet.
Great would rather have Ouellet what's going on with Holland. Ouellet right now is better then Kindl.
I'd rather have Kindl in the press box than Ouellet.
This is me waving one finger in the air in a circular motion. Very sarcastically.
Maybe at this point it would be better for XO to practice with the big team. He could even go back to the griffins on Friday
lol, piece of garbage GM strikes again
cant draft, develop, sign or trade for dmen properly so much so that a league wide castaway is our best option
What are you talking about? This move is exactly the right move, and is in the best interest of all the prospects in the organization. The only person hurt marginally in this is Kindl because he's not going to be playing in the AHL or the NHL.
Perhaps bolding it will make it more clear.
Kindl is called up to sit in the pressbox with the Mothers on this trip, he is not called up to play.
How would calling up a prospect help their development in any way whatsoever? the call up is not going to get to play, there are no Red Wing practices in the next few days, and the AHL season restarts again tomorrow. Having Kindl sit on in the pressbox in the NHL at least free's up a roster spot in Grand Rapids for one of the kids with a future in the organization.
People complaining about this move are being ridiculous and are complaining for complaining sake.
Do I need to point out that you're having to go back nearly 20 years to try to build a point around guys making the blueline?
And even then Kronwall and Ericsson were 25 when they played their first full seasons in Detroit (or turned 25 that season, depending on when their respective birthdays fell),
and Dekeyser came up when we were decimated by injuries and we were leaning on the likes of Brian Lashoff to get us through the season.
Ficher got his start when roster limits were higher - something I wish they'd revisit considering the high energy games now being played from start to finish.
For the most part, I'd agree with you about Detroit's philosophy barring some outliers (Lashoff, Glendening, Andersson come immediately to mind)
, but that doesn't mean I think it's the best way of doing it. It's part of what led us to dumping ~$5m into Kindl/Smith, and another $4m into Quincey to fill out the bottom half of our blueline.
Has Detroit had a bunch of top3 quality D knocking on the door? No, at this point it's probably safe to say they haven't, but they've had several who could have taken those 4-7 jobs at a fraction of the cost and we wouldn't have lost anything on the ice.
I don't see why it's not being looked at to expand the rosters again. It would give teams more flexibility with subbing players in/out to keep them fresh, and allow slower grooming of players - like the Wings did with Fischer in his rookie year - since they don't have to play him every night. To me it's win/win for the league and the players (more jobs).
My impression of your question was what a dman prospect had to do to make the team early. I was merely pointing out the examples we had of players who did that, and then citing what they did as likely examples of the unspoken standard you were wondering about.
Kronwall was up when he was 22 and had a couple years where he missed a bunch of games due to injury. Also, the lockout cost him the 04-05 season.
Ericsson's a more borderline example, obviously, but we're talking about guys on D who come up 'early'. He didn't come up super duper early, but a year or so.
Not exactly. Dekeyser's first game was with Ericsson, Kindl, Kronwall, Quincey and White... and he played 16:36. By his fourth game he was playing 19:49. At age 22.
He also got his start under Scotty bleeping Bowman, not exactly a stalwart n of injecting youth into the lineup, on a team with Lidstrom, Murphy and Chelios on it... and he was 19. I mean, come on.
Those are guys projected to be depth players, though. Totally different. Detroit really doesn't care too much about seasoning guys like that because their roles are going to be so limited it hardly matters, and "you" don't care if they season those prospects because nobody really thinks they're any good anyway.
I think you're misdiagnosing the symptoms and rolling in a couple problems into one. Detroit overspent a bit on Kindl and Smith because, at least in Kindl's case, he had put together a halfways decent stretch right before he went FA. In both cases, they were #1's. Any team is going to give a 1 more rope and more time. That's just the way it is. You get picked in the 1st, you're going to get more shots than you would if you got picked later.
As far as Quincey goes, this touches on a more central disconnect I likely have with you in particular, but lots of fans here in general. My impression is that a lot of you guys think that Detroit doesn't have young dmen up because they develop them poorly. I think they don't have young dmen up because none of their young dmen are any good.
When Detroit has had good young dmen (see the limited examples above), they've moved through the system chop-chop.
Tying that back into Quincey, the team did what they did with him because they didn't think anybody in their system was going to be better. That riles the people who think Quincey is awful, of course. Personally, I think he's a serviceable 4ish dman. And the Wings didn't see anyone in their system at the time of being able to do that.
Detroit would disagree with that last bit, and so would I.
A team could accomplish the same thing simply by being more judicious in the amount of time they play their dmen.
Also, a reason why the NHLPA might not like that idea is that it would drive the league average salary down and further stress the middle class population in the league. If teams can just add another handful of cheapies at the bottom of their rosters, fewer teams are going to go hard at middle of the road vets, not when they can take 3 or 4 more rolls of the dice with cheap prospects or league minimum vet reclamation projects.
I'm looking more at cap...
Why call up Kindl when cheaper cap hits need a look?
That makes more sense. But I was responding to someone who was commenting on the "3 minutes" a night he'd get. That's not what he'd get if he were playing and I'm not worried about it.