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JungleBeat said:
Your best player can’t be Sanderson on a cup winning team in today’s league.
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idk, LAK best player was Doughty, I get that's a while ago, but Sanderson is pretty similar in impact to prime Doughty imo, maybe a bit better offensively? The game has changed and D are asked to do more offensively, but if you put Sanderson on the Canes (don't care which D you replace, but for cap purposes, lets say Miller since he's got the closest cap hit), he'd easily be their best player imo, and that team is already a contender.
 
Micklebot said:
idk, LAK best player was Doughty, I get that's a while ago, but Sanderson is pretty similar in impact to prime Doughty imo, maybe a bit better offensively? The game has changed and D are asked to do more offensively, but if you put Sanderson on the Canes (don't care which D you replace, but for cap purposes, lets say Miller since he's got the closest cap hit), he'd easily be their best player imo, and that team is already a contender.
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Idk I’d put Kopitar ahead of Doughty personally…
 
PlayOn said:
Idk I’d put Kopitar ahead of Doughty personally…
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I think the Karlsson vs Doughty arguments probably colour some peoples opinions of Doughty, but Kopitar is certainly in the discussion. There's probably some who feel Stu is ahead of Sandy, though perhaps not as many.

Point being, that level of player is fine, you don't necessarily need a mackinnon or what not.
 
Micklebot said:
I think the Karlsson vs Doughty arguments probably colour some peoples opinions of Doughty, but Kopitar is certainly in the discussion. There's probably some who feel Stu is ahead of Sandy, though perhaps not as many.

Point being, that level of player is fine, you don't necessarily need a mackinnon or what not.
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You probably do need a forward equal to or better than Sanderson though, I think that part is true. OP probably doesn’t think Stützle is equal to Sanderson which is likely the point being made. And LA had a three-headed monster between Kopitar, Doughty and Quick.
 
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Norris voting.

Injury cost him a number of spots in the ranking I'm sure. And the Canucks cost Quinn Hughes a few spots it looks like.
 
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JungleBeat said:
Your best player can’t be Sanderson on a cup winning team in today’s league.
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Going to completely disagree with you there. If Carolina wins the Cup, there's a good argument to be had that Slavin is their best player even if he's not putting up massive point totals.

Sanderson is a better overall player than Slavin.

Also re: the Norris voting above, he's never going to win a Norris. Look at the Lane Hutson votes. The award cares very little for best player and is only interested in best point totals.
 
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Sting said:
Also re: the Norris voting above, he's never going to win a Norris. Look at the Lane Hutson votes. The award cares very little for best player and is only interested in best point totals.
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Except when the guy with the best point totals plays for the Sens i.e. the Karlsson years.
 
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Norris voting.

Injury cost him a number of spots in the ranking I'm sure. And the Canucks cost Quinn Hughes a few spots it looks like.
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Yeah, injury almost certainly cost him. I'd say he compares favourably to Seider who finished 5th. When you consider deployment, and defensive play, I'd have him ahead of Dahlin and probably Bouchard (harder to justify given the 30 pts advantage, a bit like the old Karlsson vs Doughty debate there)


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Masked said:
Except when the guy with the best point totals plays for the Sens i.e. the Karlsson years.
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EK in his prime was not just a pure offenceman, though. He was one of the few players I've ever witnessed where when he was on the ice, it was just completely unfair for the other team. People remember him almost exclusively on his post-injury career except for some Sens fans.
 
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Not sure what possible justification there could be for Huston in the first couple spots, even if you go exclusively for flashy numbers.

The concept of democracy taking some real hits lately.
 
Sting said:
EK in his prime was not just a pure offenceman, though. He was one of the few players I've ever witnessed where when he was on the ice, it was just completely unfair for the other team. People remember him almost exclusively on his post-injury career except for some Sens fans.
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My favourite part of his game post-injury was his ability to block a shot with his leg and deflect it for a breakout. First couple of times seemed like a coincidence but he was doing it consistently.
 
Senscore said:
Not sure what possible justification there could be for Huston in the first couple spots, even if you go exclusively for flashy numbers.

The concept of democracy taking some real hits lately.
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Some people in the media still think +/- equals good defense.
 
Sting said:
EK in his prime was not just a pure offenceman, though. He was one of the few players I've ever witnessed where when he was on the ice, it was just completely unfair for the other team. People remember him almost exclusively on his post-injury career except for some Sens fans.
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All the more reason he should have won a couple more Norris trophies. He was a two way force and the highest point producer, while not getting to play with a Hart trophy winner, but Doughty was Due.
 
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Micklebot said:
Yeah, injury almost certainly cost him. I'd say he compares favourably to Seider who finished 5th. When you consider deployment, and defensive play, I'd have him ahead of Dahlin and probably Bouchard (harder to justify given the 30 pts advantage, a bit like the old Karlsson vs Doughty debate there)


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The big difference between Karlsson and guys like Makar, Bouchard and Hutson is teammate quality.

Those 3 guys are obviously extremely talented OFD that would put up big numbers on any team, but it's quite easy to rack up points passing the puck to elite offensive players, especially in an era with inflated scoring and more efficient PPs.

Karlsson produced way more than any other D of his era while leading his team in scoring 5 straight seasons. Hughes is the closest thing to prime EK that we've seen and even he falls short IMO.

For that reason I'm glad Werenski got the Norris nod this season. Putting up 81 points in 75 games as a D when the highest scoring forward on the team had 67 points is ridiculous.
 
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