News Article: Jake Gardiner and the Toronto Maple Leafs blueline
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This. Is it not a shocker that they said it was him? They're the ones that fabricated tension with him and Carlyle dating back to last year. Meanwhile reports straight from the source (Nonis, ex-Assistant Coaches) say that it's quite the opposite and Carlyle likes Gardiner and sees a ton of potential in him and doesn't want him traded.
It's a non-story if it's Franson. It's a story if it's Gardiner. So obviously the reporters would guess it's Gardiner.
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How can people honestly defend Carlyle? Keep Gardiner, let go of the dinosaur who can't adapt to modern hockey.
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Ice time at seasons end clearly identified just who Carlyle preferred, as well as the fact that people have clearly came out an stated that Carlyle likes Gardner.
Franson was the person who overvalued himself.....hence not applying for arbitration. How hard is it to add up.
If Franson is still here at the start of next year I will be shocked. He was clearly our worst defenseman last season,
I clearly remember like 6-7 times where he would be in our zone and make a dumb as ***** blind pass off the wall that would go onto the other teams stick and they scored on at least half the opportunities.
Neil Hamburger
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It's not just Rielly, it's also guys like Gunnarsson.
Having:
Rielly
Gardiner
Gunnarsson
all on the left side is not a recipe for success. Not one of those guys can throw a check, we need some sandpaper who can also make a good outlet pass. We need to make some changes to our blue-line, that much is for sure.
To be clear I would only be open to moving Gardiner if we're getting back some young talent back in return (think a 1 for 1 Schenn/JVR type deal or as part of a package to move up into the top-4 of the draft).
diceman934
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Did you watch games last year.....Rielly played the right side for most of the year and when talking outlet passes, best passer on the backend!
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Gardiner's play when the team was down a goal was much different compared to when they were tied or winning. Like the entire team, Gardiner played much better with the team down a goal or two compared to his play when we were sitting back with the lead. RC may have told Jake (and the others) to focus more on playing smart mistake-free hockey when the game was tied or in the Leaf's favor. It's actually not that bad a strategy since doing so allows the defending team to counter attack and take advantage of the other team's positioning. However, until the transitioning game gets better, this team will undoubtedly stay hemmed in its own end. This requires both Jake and the other players to properly position themselves to get the pick our of the zone.
I don't think Gardiner is going any where... At least not before RC's 300 game evaluation period is over.
I don't think Gardiner is going any where... At least not before RC's 300 game evaluation period is over.
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I often don't get uber mad at this team. Them keeping Cody Franson (leaf fan, passionate to be here whatever) would be something that would make me want to throw rocks at the organization.
He was a great player for like 4 games (1 of which includes pre-season). he was. brutal. and quite frankly, if this is how he's going to play in a contract year, i am loathe to see him play once he gets a pay day. let that be someone else's problem.
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http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/501387
That's the source.
Defense is a hard position to get good at. In football/soccer, the best defensemen are usually those with the most experience. I'd think it'd be super if Gardiner and Rielly gained meaningful experiences and were evaluated after learning from those experiences as opposed to beforehand.
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Puck movement and mobility is more important than sandpaper when it comes to d men.
Gardiner and Rielly NEED to stay in T.O if we ever want to be a serious contender, dont throw away talents like that on the blueline.
Gunner-Granberg would be a good shutdown pair that could possibly take on top lines in the NHL.
Rielly-Phaneuf
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is what i would look to build the top 4 like, Gunner-Granberg/Holzer should be able to be as good defensively as Gunner-Phaneuf... Especially if we make a solid checking line with Komarov-Bolland-Clarkson who can hound top lines.
Gardiner and Rielly NEED to stay in T.O if we ever want to be a serious contender, dont throw away talents like that on the blueline.
Gunner-Granberg would be a good shutdown pair that could possibly take on top lines in the NHL.
Rielly-Phaneuf
Gardiner-(new guy)
is what i would look to build the top 4 like, Gunner-Granberg/Holzer should be able to be as good defensively as Gunner-Phaneuf... Especially if we make a solid checking line with Komarov-Bolland-Clarkson who can hound top lines.
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People are overanalyzing the 'young' part of the comment. Most people use the word in relation to their own age, as an example most people I know that are 50-60 call pretty much everybody under 40 young. There is no hard line for what can be called young. In Carlyles world, the whole team is probably young. Guys like Rielly and Kadri are pretty much just kids.
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The problem with Dion is not his minutes, it's how he was used.
Under RW, He was used offensively, and excelled. He put up points, hit like a Mac Truck, and was actually better defensively while having his best best possession numbers.
RC tries to use him as a pure Defensive D, which is not his forte. He ends up trying to do too much, and making more mistakes as a result.
Give him better support (like a true shut down pair), let him go offensively and you'll see his defensive game improve dramatically.
He's a legitamite top pairing defensemen - but like all players he needs to be put in a position to succeed.
According to the GA On/ 60 metric, Phaneuf wasn't that bad. I think he needs someone a lot more creative than Gunnarsson on his pairing, though. Shut down duties are fine, but you need a very creative, puck mover type it is to perform well offensively.
Hahaha. Every reporter who was there and is 200 times closer to the situation than you'll ever be say Gardiner. But you know it's Franson. Jesus.
what does being in the room have to do with anything? They watched and heard Carlyle say exactly what we heard.
He didn't have great offensive seasons under Wilson. He had 1 good year and two questionable ones. (points-wise)
As soon as the Leafs acquired Phaneuf they started dialing back the big hits and risky plays.
Just curious, but do you think Jake Gardiner had a short leash at the end of the year?
People have already said why media would want it to be Gardiner. It's a story if it's him. With Franson, it's not. They have as much of an idea at who Randy was talking about as I do, or you do, or anyone else does
Just curious do you think others including the people in the room wouldn't have noticed this? It was obviously a backward comment. All players had free reign at the end. Biggest problem with the collapse. Wrong players with the puck running around with zero direction. Pond hockey at its best and moronic leaf fans thinking it was great.
