Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)

[Guiness time]

Thats just what I mean, I don't think going over 4m is an issue. For me personally, it's the 4.5 range where you're getting into an overpayment that might not age well even with cap rising.

You're probably not getting a center with experience and those qualities off UFA for less. So keep the guy you know and is integrated well in the room.

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[Rapala]

Tbh the problem was more Savard than Barron. Had Barron be a 3rd pairing guy he would not have been good but the impact on the tem would have been lesser. The problem is Savard sucked in the top 4 so we were stuck with no top 4 RHD. Not that we acquired Carrier Savard is playing less (he replaced Barron) and doing better.

People tend to forget the Hutson Savard pairing did not work for a reason despite the mentorship.

 

[Canadienna]

...Evans is resigned, 4 years @ 14 mill...callin' it now...

I think that would be a pretty team friendly deal imo, I'd certainly keep him at that price.

I'm guessing it's more like 4.5 than 3.5. Maybe somewhere in the middle?

 

[Playmaker09]

In a way, yes. We can't go with a green center line next year and take a step forward.

You won't take a step forward unless the young guys get opportunities.

Sell Evans and promote Beck for the rest of the year.

Giving term and $ to a player with a career high 29 points, riding a 29% shooting bender in a contract year is exactly how not to run an organization.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

You won't take a step forward unless the young guys get opportunities.

Sell Evans and promote Beck for the rest of the year.

Giving term and $ to a player with a career high 29 points, riding a 29% shooting bender in a contract year is exactly how not to run an organization.

Giving that contract would be a Bergevin special.

But we would need experience at C for next year for sure.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Often times late draft picks pan out because they know the odds are against them and they simply work their butts off and it pays off.

In the case of Jake Evans had he had LeFebvre instead of Bouchard I doubt he makes it.

Bouchard has done a great job with our young players.

Often times? Are you sure?

 

[Tyson]

Often times? Are you sure?

Do the research.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Do the research.

You made the claim. Follow your advice.

 

[Tyson]

You made the claim. Follow your advice.

Ryder, Tucker, Markov, Savage
4 solid careers from Habs late round picks alone

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Ryder, Tucker, Markov, Savage
4 solid careers from Habs late round picks alone

4 players over decades is often?

 

[Archijerej]

Was it a grave mistake to let go of Dannault?

Depends on the team goals.

Bergevin wanted to remain competitive and from that point of view, yeah, replacing Danault with Dvorak was a serious downgrade.

I'm assuming we want to see this team progress in the coming years.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Depends on the team goals.

Bergevin wanted to remain competitive and from that point of view, yeah, replacing Danault with Dvorak was a serious downgrade.

I'm assuming we want to see this team progress in the coming years.

You can’t progress if you can’t afford your star players. And you’re not going to be able to afford them if you overpay for the bottom sixers.

Again, I think Evans is a great bottom six player. I’d love to keep him. But only if the ask is reasonable. At 4 million he’s expensive, especially if he wants a long term deal.

 

[WeThreeKings]

You won't take a step forward unless the young guys get opportunities.

Sell Evans and promote Beck for the rest of the year.

Giving term and $ to a player with a career high 29 points, riding a 29% shooting bender in a contract year is exactly how not to run an organization.

You're not paying him because he's scoring goals.. you're paying him because he produces offense at a great rate for a bottom 6 player, he's a reliable face-off man and a key penalty killer. Not only that but he's part of the culture and has experience.

You make the club too green down the middle; it's just like the defense. You'll see a massive regression in team performance and everything else will look massively out of sorts.

If you think they'll just be able to sign a cheap bottom 6 center with all those qualities for a massive cap savings, it's just not true.

At best you're saving the cost of a league minimum player between the two.

 

[Tyson]

4 players over decades is often?

Play on words all you want, I hate interacting with people who do this? Late round picks rarely pan out but those who do have to work extra harder and show more determination. Condescending know it alls make sites like this less enjoyable, you should be proud.

 

[Playmaker09]

You're not paying him because he's scoring goals.. you're paying him because he produces offense at a great rate for a bottom 6 player, he's a reliable face-off man and a key penalty killer. Not only that but he's part of the culture and has experience.

You make the club too green down the middle; it's just like the defense. You'll see a massive regression in team performance and everything else will look massively out of sorts.

If you think they'll just be able to sign a cheap bottom 6 center with all those qualities for a massive cap savings, it's just not true.

At best you're saving the cost of a league minimum player between the two.

Signing Jake Evans compounds our issues down the middle, not stabilizes them.

We need to be making moves with the assets we have to improve our situation down the middle regardless of what happens with Evans (and the return on an Evans trade itself may help with that).
Certainly for a 2C and possibly a 3C as well depending on where we see Dach.

All signing Evans does is prevent opportunities for Beck/Kapanen who will require that same experience when we actually need them to compete for a cup and creates a high possibility of yet another boat anchor contract on our hands in years 3-5.

This is just nonsensical exhibit #546687 of falling in love with a vet bottom 6er in a contract year heater.

 

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[Rapala]

Depends on the team goals.

Bergevin wanted to remain competitive and from that point of view, yeah, replacing Danault with Dvorak was a serious downgrade.

I'm assuming we want to see this team progress in the coming years.

The biggest mistake was over paying Gallagher when Danault was the one actually doing the heavy lifting on that line. They should have been negotiating both at the same time but no way should Gallagher get paid more based on that reality.

 

[Tyson]

The biggest mistake was over paying Gallagher when Danault was the one actually doing the heavy lifting on that line. They should have been negotiating both at the same time but no way should Gallagher get more based on reality.

Danault wanted out, let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Rapala]

Danault wanted out, let's not kid ourselves.

Only after he was dissed.

 

[Redux91]

Evans would 1000% garner a 1st at the deadline.

Ok
But why do I want another extra 1st at this stage of the build?
(We already have TWO this year anyway amazingly lol)
Losing a crucial player like Evans for a bag of magic beans can set us back a couple years.. we're no longer in the 'try to lose, try to acquire more draft assets'

That's why it's obvious he's getting re-signed
He brings too much to the team
And he *obviously* loves it here and wants to stay with all his close friends and see this build through to the end

Now, it obviously takes Jake playing ball with us
And I just don't see why he wouldn't want to anymore, just for a 'few extra bucks', go somewhere new maybe not as fun a place, basically 'starting all over again'
I just don't see it

He's gonna be a Hab

 

[Guiness time]

I am confused, why is there no assist for Jake last night? He made the perfect setup on the 1st goal.
All kidding aside, I like the player, just not sure how you can spend so much on a 4th liner.

I feel the money should be spent on the top 6 to push out guys like Newhook....whether it be spending on a UFA, trading assets to acquire a better player or re-signing a guy like Laine. Hence the importance of selling high on assets such as Evans and Savard and stock piling picks.

 

[McGees]

Ok
But why do I want another extra 1st at this stage of the build?
(We already have TWO this year anyway amazingly lol)
Losing a crucial player like Evans for a bag of magic beans can set us back a couple years.. we're no longer in the 'try to lose, try to acquire more draft assets'

That's why it's obvious he's getting re-signed
He brings too much to the team
And he *obviously* loves it here and wants to stay with all his close friends and see this build through to the end

Now, it obviously takes Jake playing ball with us
And I just don't see why he wouldn't want to anymore, just for a 'few extra bucks', go somewhere new maybe not as fun a place, basically 'starting all over again'
I just don't see it

He's gonna be a Hab

At the right price for sure you keep him, you just can’t pay him as if he will put up these numbers over his contract. 3C or elite 4C money, sure.

I was just stating his value cause someone mentioned he’d fetch less.

 

[calder candidate]

I think it is a no brainer to try to keep him but ultimately it come down to how much he is looking for and also how much value we could be getting…

 

[Rapala]

I think it is a no brainer to try to keep him but ultimately it come down to how much he is looking for and also how much value we could be getting…

How valid is the rumor Jake will need to come down on his demands and where is the leak coming from if it is real?

 

[CHfan1]

Signing Jake Evans compounds our issues down the middle, not stabilizes them.

We need to be making moves with the assets we have to improve our situation down the middle regardless of what happens with Evans (and the return on an Evans trade itself may help with that).
Certainly for a 2C and possibly a 3C as well depending on where we see Dach.

All signing Evans does is prevent opportunities for Beck/Kapanen who will require that same experience when we actually need them to compete for a cup and creates a high possibility of yet another boat anchor contract on our hands in years 3-5.

This is just nonsensical exhibit #546687 of falling in love with a vet bottom 6er in a contract year heater.

We’ll see what they do but if they don’t resign Evans I believe they are going to have to sign or trade for another veteran centre (which I don’t think will be that easy). They can’t go into next season with their bottom 6 centres being some combination of Newhook and a couple of rookies.

I also don’t think signing Evans is preventing Beck/Kapanen from any opportunities. I think signing Evans helps to insulate them, he can face the tougher matchups, take key defensive zone face-offs, play the first PK, etc. When, and if, those two are ready for more responsibility Evans can always be moved to the wing.

I also don’t believe this is just some bottom 6 vet and isn’t the same as signing Gallagher, Anderson, Armia, and Hoffman to longer term contracts. Those are all wingers while Evans plays a key role on the team at one of the most important positions. He leads all forwards in penalty kill time (Montreal’s PK has gotten better every season since MSL has taken over and Evans is a key contributor in that). They are also, most likely, going to lose their next two forwards on the PK in Armia and Dvorak. He’s also a player that is regularly on the ice at the end of the game when Montreal is trying to protect the lead.

Also to note Evans is 2nd on Montreal in faceoffs taken, with Dvorak 3rd. If Montreal moves on from both of those players (and doesn’t bring in another vet), that’s a lot of faceoffs for the rest of the team to cover. They’ve taken 1026 of Montreal’s 2202 faceoffs winning 546 of the 1090 they’ve won (Dvorak/Evans face off % is a combined 53.2 % while the rest of the team is at 46.3% combined).