Value of: Jake Debrusk if he decides not to extend with the bruins

[KrugAvoy]

And you're about to run your ECF losing streak to 0-8. You gonna hang a participation banner?

0-12 actually. They got swept in 2009 as well.

 

[Grinner]

The Oilers have three major holes. Top six winger is likely the least important, but it is still a hole.

Thanks

 

[dixie]

Would you trade him as part of a package for Lindholm and Hanifan?

 

[kcunac]

Jake Virtanen.

 

[wintersej]

Would you trade him as part of a package for Lindholm and Hanifan?

I do think that DeBrusk's ability to play both wings and him being someone you assume wouldn't have an issue with staying long term in western Canada could make sense for another FLA/CGY style swap, but one I hope would be better for both sides.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Unlikely trading partners but I would do Nylander for Debrusk +. Or involve a third team and have them send a player to Boston.

Dubas, I thought they fired you? Boston trades for Pastas' best friend and does not look back.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I do think that DeBrusk's ability to play both wings and him being someone you assume wouldn't have an issue with staying long term in western Canada could make sense for another FLA/CGY style swap, but one I hope would be better for both sides.

Jake on Calgary and Louie on Edmonton's broadcast team could make for interesting Battle of Alberta calls, ha ha.

 

[PB37]

Sweeney seems bullish on DeBrusk. He could have moved him the past couple of years and instead, offers him a two year " prove yourself " contract when nobody was expecting it. I think they'll find room to make DeBrusk's next contract work. He fits in age wise with the new youngish core Boston has developed. DeBrusk and Pasta are their only younger guys on the wing that are threats to score 30+.

 

[BruinsJoe]

Would you trade him as part of a package for Lindholm and Hanifan?

Yes any day...Debrusk or Hall, Grezlyck?

 

[biturbo19]

He's a great complementary winger, and productive 5v5. It can be tricky to really "value" those sorts of players though. He's not the sort of guy who is necessarily going to "drive the bus" as an offensive catalyst for a line. But he does all of the other things that make other skilled offensive players around him more effective. He's good on the forecheck, gets to the net and has good hands in those high traffic areas. He's exactly the sort of winger i'd be looking for if i were a team with a highly creative, skilled #1C in need of a complementary winger to do some spadework at even strength.

But does that get him a Zach Hyman sort of contract? What's the limit on what teams are willing to pay for a guy who is really more like a premium complementary winger? Especially if the PP production hasn't been demonstrated due to circumstances/lack of opportunity? He's going to be really pushing that threshold of what a complementary scorer costs, compared to a real "impact player" and true offensive catalyst.

 

[vjcsmoke]

Debrusk is a top 6 forward for sure but we can't keep everyone. I expect him to be a cap casualty for the Bruins. The only question is what can they get in return for him when teams know the Bruins have to move him despite not wanting to do so.

 

[Hookslide]

Debrusk is a top 6 forward for sure but we can't keep everyone. I expect him to be a cap casualty for the Bruins. The only question is what can they get in return for him when teams know the Bruins have to move him despite not wanting to do so.

DeBrusk and Hall have expiring contracts ,DeBrusk in 23 and Hall in 24 , they will be cheaper than what you will be able to sign Bertuzzi for and in my opinion better all around players . please do not misunderstand me ,I like Bertuzzi always have and hope that something although a long shot they are able to resign him . With the salary cap mess the bruins are in those two short term contracts might be best to right the ship cap wise short term..........

 

[Djp]

This is the problem….


many teams above/ near cap has a $4M or so player they want to move to create cap space.

how many competitive teams have $4M in space to easily absorb his cap? Maybe 5 at best. Others are in rebuilding mode.

you are trying to value players based in an ideal vacuum where everyone has $10M+ in space and can easily add such a player. So you want a great return.

the reality is you have a list of at least 25 player like Debrusk, Toffoli, ardvarsen who teams are willing to give up but only 5 or so thst are willing to give up anything. The rebuilders will ask for sweeteners

you might have a better return with another near cap team where you move depth for depth at different positions. Boston might add 3 roster players for Debrusk because the other team has young depth To promote. Boston might gain a $2M in cap hit but the per player residual is less.

 

[mrinsane]

1rst pick CGY, Joel Armia, Riley Kidney and 3rd round pick is added if he sign extension its not a huge offer but with 1yr left it could.be a start

 

[cheesymc]

I hope Debrusk refuses to extend before the trade but signs a cap friendly contract after the trade similarly to how Hampus Lindholm did to force the ducks to accept Bostons low ball offer.

 

[BruinsJoe]

i think they'll move debrusk before ullmark.

I disagree with you on this, they re deep in the net so Ullmark need to go high value Vezina nominee with 2 years contrat he have a NMC 16 teams no trade list but half of the league need a great goalie...i can easily see Kings, Canes, Jets as a potential trade partners...Ully s gonna be trade for a center

 

[MardyBum]

I disagree with you on this, they re deep in the net so Ullmark need to go high value Vezina nominee with 2 years contrat he have a NMC 16 teams no trade list but half of the league need a great goalie...i can easily see Kings, Canes, Jets as a potential trade partners...Ully s gonna be trade for a center

Eh, might be a return for PLD. PLD going to Boston, loving it, and signing long term would be f***ing hilarious. They'd only want Ullmark if Hellebuyck is gone, which might not happen until after PLD is moved. No one knows wtf is going on in Winnipeg outside them not wanting to "rebuild" but more of a "retool"

 

[wintersej]

Eh, might be a return for PLD. PLD going to Boston, loving it, and signing long term would be f***ing hilarious. They'd only want Ullmark if Hellebuyck is gone, which might not happen until after PLD is moved. No one knows wtf is going on in Winnipeg outside them not wanting to "rebuild" but more of a "retool"

It makes it very hard to come up with fake trade proposals to WPG.

 

[Hunter368]

It makes it very hard to come up with fake trade proposals to WPG.

It will depend on:

- Does Helle and/or Mark resign and is PLD traded?

- If two (or all three) of those three aren't back next year, Jets pretty have to rebuild bc they have no 1G or any top 6 centers and aren't getting back via FA or trade. Jets will do everything reasonable possible to make sure at least two of those guys are likely back next year to avoid any rebuild. For all the jokes about Jets having to overpay players actually isn't true, Chevy actually does very good signing guys at or below market value. This though might be an exception, Helle could become the highest paid goalie in the NHL in this situation. Mark also might get overpaid to extend and avoid any rebuild. If the Jets go rebuild, Jake would be of no interest, Jets would only want picks and prospects which would be hard for Boston to do.

- If the Jets were able to sign two of those three and trade PLD........they would want roster players back and not futures. In this case Boston and Jets could make a hockey trade. Boston has at least a couple interesting guys who might be available in a trade for PLD (whatever that would look like). By far this is the preferred course for the Jets, retooling.

Time will tell

 

[wintersej]

It will depend on:

- Does Helle and/or Mark resign and is PLD traded?

- If two (or all three) of those three aren't back next year, Jets pretty have to rebuild bc they have no 1G or any top 6 centers and aren't getting back via FA or trade. Jets will do everything reasonable possible to make sure at least two of those guys are likely back next year to avoid any rebuild. For all the jokes about Jets having to overpay players actually isn't true, Chevy actually does very good signing guys at or below market value. This though might be an exception, Helle could become the highest paid goalie in the NHL in this situation. Mark also might get overpaid to extend and avoid any rebuild. If the Jets go rebuild, Jake would be of no interest, Jets would only want picks and prospects which would be hard for Boston to do.

- If the Jets were able to sign two of those three and trade PLD........they would want roster players back and not futures. In this case Boston and Jets could make a hockey trade. Boston has at least a couple interesting guys who might be available in a trade for PLD (whatever that would look like). By far this is the preferred course for the Jets, retooling.

Time will tell

I would just add one other option. If just Mark re-signs the Bruins can take care of the goalie situation for WPG although I assume in a PLD deal it’s Swayman+ not Ullmark+ for the more years of control.

Edit: to bring it back full circle, at least one Bruins fan on our board wondered if Swayman + DeBrusk for PLD would make both teams happy if both teams had some positive chit chat with the other sides agents.

 

[Hunter368]

I would just add one other option. If just Mark re-signs the Bruins can take care of the goalie situation for WPG although I assume in a PLD deal it’s Swayman+ not Ullmark+ for the more years of control.

Yup fair comment

 

[dredeye]

I would just add one other option. If just Mark re-signs the Bruins can take care of the goalie situation for WPG although I assume in a PLD deal it’s Swayman+ not Ullmark+ for the more years of control.

Edit: to bring it back full circle, at least one Bruins fan on our board wondered if Swayman + DeBrusk for PLD would make both teams happy if both teams had some positive chit chat with the other sides agents.

Seems like a huge overpay for the Bruins