Prospect Info: Jacob Fowler

[salbutera]

Although pre-draft era, they developed 16, 4, and 25.

Le Gros Bill was technically signed as UFA…

 

[Cole Caulifield]

That's one of the reasons why goalies are rarely drafted in the 1st round these days.

It's because they're the hardest to evaluate since they are the furthest from their potential. You get less bang for your bucks out of drafting a goalie as you spend a lot of time developping them and then they hit UFA. You almost never get good performances from them on their ELC. It's valuable to have guys like Hutson and Slaf still on their ELC putting up performances like this.

 

[Paradoxe]

Can't wait to see him at the camp! We have a gem.

 

[viceroy]

Slow cooking goalies is always a good idea. He'd have to be leagues better than his competition to skip the AHL.

But what if he leads the Rocket in dominant fashion to a Calder? How the heck do you keep him off the Habs then?

The fans of this team do not have the capacity to admit the team is bad they prefer to search for a cancer. Price, Kovalev, soon it will be Slaf ...

Slaf? Yeah from the same losers that are out right now trying to push a Lafreniere for Slafkovsky trade.

Putting alot of money on a goalie is almost always a bad idea. I mean Crawford and Niemi won cups (granted the Hawks were stacked otherwise)

Cups nowadays are often won using a new/young goalie that other teams don't have a book on. High end goalies that are solid year in year out are rare and should be paid accordingly.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I’m no goaltending expert but I do find that fire is a big separator for a lot of players and is often ignored for goalies. It’s what made Roy and Hasek so special. Belfour and Hextall too.

Hellebuyck keeps saying no one studies the game more than him. Yeah, and it shows. You’re so caught up in technique and player habits that you become like a computer rather than naturally just playing the position and being desperate to save the puck from going in the net. That’s why you’re shit in the playoffs, where drive is what makes champions.

Or unlucky. The narrative will be he’s shit until they win a cup and him the smythe. Then it will change to how he overcame all those obstacles.

 

[Garbageyuk]

But what if he leads the Rocket in dominant fashion to a Calder? How the heck do you keep him off the Habs then?



Slaf? Yeah from the same losers that are out right now trying to push a Lafreniere for Slafkovsky trade.



Cups nowadays are often won using a new/young goalie that other teams don't have a book on. High end goalies that are solid year in year out are rare and should be paid accordingly.

And they’re becoming increasingly rare. Who even fits that description currently?

There really isn’t a long-tenured franchise goaltender still playing at a high level in the league right now (playoffs, everything included) - guys like Price, Quick, Fleury, Lundqvist, Luongo - guys that can put the entire team on their back and drag them through multiple playoff rounds.

It seems like goalies in this era either have a couple strong years and then fizzle out, e.g., Vasilevsky, Holtby, Crawford, or teams are using no name guys that really aren’t that good, but are unknown, like you said (Niemi, Murray, Binnington, Kuemper, Hill). There are no consistently dominant franchise goalies anymore.

Vasilevsky kind of fit the bill for a bit, but has been atrocious in the playoffs 3 years in a row now, leading to 3 straight first round exits.

Hellebuyck would have that title if he wasn’t crap in the playoffs every year.

Bobrovsky has really not been good aside from the SCF last year, and even then, he was only good for half of it, and almost lost.

Oettinger is decent, but his numbers aren’t anything special, and nobody fears Dallas because of Oettinger.

Shesterkin is the closest thing to it I think, but he hasn’t really gone far in the playoffs. His numbers are great though, apart from the down year last season, so that’s more on the NYR organization than him.

 

[ahmedou]

AHL Regular season and AHL Playoffs: 5-1-0

AHL playoffs: 3-0-0 (1.00 GAA and a .953 Sv%.)

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

And they’re becoming increasingly rare. Who even fits that description currently?

There really isn’t a long-tenured franchise goaltender still playing at a high level in the league right now (playoffs, everything included) - guys like Price, Quick, Fleury, Lundqvist, Luongo - guys that can put the entire team on their back and drag them through multiple playoff rounds.

It seems like goalies in this era either have a couple strong years and then fizzle out, e.g., Vasilevsky, Holtby, Crawford, or teams are using no name guys that really aren’t that good, but are unknown, like you said (Niemi, Murray, Binnington, Kuemper, Hill). There are no consistently dominant franchise goalies anymore.

Vasilevsky kind of fit the bill for a bit, but has been atrocious in the playoffs 3 years in a row now, leading to 3 straight first round exits.

Hellebuyck would have that title if he wasn’t crap in the playoffs every year.

Bobrovsky has really not been good aside from the SCF last year, and even then, he was only good for half of it, and almost lost.

Oettinger is decent, but his numbers aren’t anything special, and nobody fears Dallas because of Oettinger.

Shesterkin is the closest thing to it I think, but he hasn’t really gone far in the playoffs. His numbers are great though, apart from the down year last season, so that’s more on the NYR organization than him.

That's the thing. I believe the NHL had the greatest goalie era from the late 2000s to the entire 2010s. It probably won't ever be replicated. Take out Hasek, Brodeur, and Roy, scoring was just at an all time low everywhere during the dead puck era. Two things can be true in this era. I think goaltending, while not bad, has probably regressed closer to the historical mean and the offensive talent in the league is better than in the previous generation.

 

[Tyson]

That's the thing. I believe the NHL had the greatest goalie era from the late 2000s to the entire 2010s. It probably won't ever be replicated. Take out Hasek, Brodeur, and Roy, scoring was just at an all time low everywhere during the dead puck era. Two things can be true in this era. I think goaltending, while not bad, has probably regressed closer to the historical mean and the offensive talent in the league is better than in the previous generation.

Tony Esposito, Bernie Parent, Ken Dryden, Gerry Cheevers, Rogie Vachon from the 70's era were as good or better than any era in history.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Tony Esposito, Bernie Parent, Ken Dryden, Gerry Cheevers, Rogie Vachon from the 70's era were as good or better than any era in history.

I'm still taking Lundquist, Rinne, Quick, Price, Fleury, Rask, Holtby, etc

 

[HabsAddict]

Sheesh...how easy some of you forget!

Do you know why there were fewer goals? Ask the Michelin Man...

As soon as equipment became more human size, goals went up. SUPRISE!

 

[HabsAddict]

I'm pretty high on Fowler. His rebound control and positioning is already NHL caliber.

We are in a good position having Monty and two backups that are damn good. If Monty goes down, it wont be a disaster like the past or some other teams.

 

[Tyson]

I'm still taking Lundquist, Rinne, Quick, Price, Fleury, Rask, Holtby, etc

None of them could hold a candle to Parent and Dryden. Of course just my opinion.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

None of them could hold a candle to Parent and Dryden. Of course just my opinion.

Give Carey any of Dryden's teams and he does better (I'll exclude 71)

We can agree to disagree. I just think that generation of goalies that I mentioned as a totality are better

 

[Tyson]

Dryden even admits he's not as good as Carey was. Give Carey any of Dryden's teams and he does better (I'll exclude 71)

We can agree to disagree. I just think that generation of goalies that I mentioned as a totality are better

We can definitely agree to disagree. I do agree that an argument can be made that Price is the best pure goalie in Habs history and it's unfortunate management never put a truly contending team in front of him.
My dad told me the 3 best goalies he ever saw were Bill Durnan, Jacques Plante and Terry Sawchuk. In other words...this topic is very subjective. Cheers.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Ken Drydens win/loss/tie and shutout ratio for his career is just insane.

He played 397 career games. For simplicity sake lets say that was 8 50 start seasons.

Each season he would have went 32W 7 L 9 ties 6 shutouts.
He had a shutout (46) nearly as often as he lost a game. 57 career losses over an 8 year career.