Player Discussion Jackson Blake

[Stanky and Janky]

This will sound crazy to people, but I could see the Canes really making a push for Quinn Hughes, even if Nikishin and one of the big three right-shots (Blake/Stank/Nadeau) has to be part of the return. The Canes system, as controversial as it might be for some scorers, is an absolute dream for defensemen. I could totally see Carolina being one of those teams that is able to convince him to not play with Jack and Luke.

If he was available, I'm sure they'd kick tires. We know they aren't necessarily even opposed to grabbing a guy like him even if it is only for the two years you know you get. But another that's almost certainly not committing here long term. There just isn't a great reason to for him. So, yes, you're probably mostly out to lunch on this.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Given these teams love of d-men you certainly can't rule something like that out but they'd have to feel insanely confident in an extension and playing someone on their off side for that to happen. And at somewhat of a discount since that likely costs us our best chance at a center upgrade.

But yeah a top 4 of Slavin, Hughes, Nikishin, anyone with a pulse, would be absurd.

I was thinking Hughes instead of Nikishin, actually, then maybe pursuing someone like Weegar via trade. A Hughes trade almost certainly would require Nikishin as part of the return.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I was thinking Hughes instead of Nikishin, actually, then maybe pursuing someone like Weegar via trade. A Hughes trade almost certainly would require Nikishin as part of the return.

Easy pass then...no guarantee of having Hughes more than 2 years is not worth Nikishin who has the potential at least to be a top pairing guy under team control for awhile (or gets a massive haul as an RFA)

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, with Rutherford's comments about Quinn wanting to play with his brothers, zero chance any team gives up a lot for him without an extension in place

 

[Derailed75]

I am *really* tired of people giving up the young players we have control on for years to come as pieces for older stuff now. This team has the abillity to be an actual dynasty material team. for years to come. Stop giving that away. You dont need to win the cup every year to be a dynasty but you have to be in the show. No we dont want to be the sharks. But we also dont want to give the future away when we have such good drafted players

Blake, Stank Nadeau should be untouchable because one of Stank, Jarvis can become a cetner if we work them on faceoffs. Stank IS a center. Or was. You dont give up these players.

Hughes? Please. We have great D prospects in Nikishin and Morrow, even Fensore. Maybe try and get a DFD liek PESCE YOU LOST but.....

Name one player (other than Geekie, we didn't trade him A and B he was a late.bloomer) that we let go that is any good or has done anything in the league?

It's not hard cause there's only 1

They have recognized and signed the young talent they believe in to long term contracts.

 

[SlavinAway]

Name one player (other than Geekie, we didn't trade him A and B he was a late.bloomer) that we let go that is any good or has done anything in the league?

It's not hard cause there's only 1

They have recognized and signed the young talent they believe in to long term contracts.

Biggest miss to me is Forsling but I still don't hold it against them as stacked as we were on D at the time.

 

[Derailed75]

Biggest miss to me is Forsling but I still don't hold it against them as stacked as we were on D at the time.

True. The point is they have a good track record of keeping the young talent they think they can build around.

As much as we all like Foegel, Listerine (I couldn't spell his name while he was here either) McGinn, Fluery, ECT. They all turned out to be mid tier guys at best.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Biggest miss to me is Forsling but I still don't hold it against them as stacked as we were on D at the time.

Foegele was the only one that I really think was a bit of a blunder, but a rather minor one. Maybe if we had kept Foegele, we wouldn't have been as reliant on, say, Martinook. So really, in the grand scheme of things, it's a relatively small mistake.

 

[Oogie Boogie]

Hughes is a laughable no since he wants to play with his brothers.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Name one player (other than Geekie, we didn't trade him A and B he was a late.bloomer) that we let go that is any good or has done anything in the league?

It's not hard cause there's only 1

They have recognized and signed the young talent they believe in to long term contracts.

Nic Roy has become a solid contributor for Vegas, Lorentz won a Cup with Florida, Hanifin and Lindholm obviously panned out well after leaving Carolina...

Not saying any of those decisions are wrong, but there's certainly more than Geekie that we've let go and found success elsewhere

 

[robbieberns]

Yeah, with Rutherford's comments about Quinn wanting to play with his brothers, zero chance any team gives up a lot for him without an extension in place

Unfathomable how he resigned the Canucks to getting absolutely nothing in return for Hughes now. This isn’t a Trouba situation where the player screwed over his team by publicly declaring love for a single team and crashing his trade value, this is a GM who has walked himself into a corner where 30 teams straight up aren’t going to consider trading for the player and the other team knows they can lowball Vancouver or just wait for UFA.

 

[Derailed75]

Nic Roy has become a solid contributor for Vegas, Lorentz won a Cup with Florida, Hanifin and Lindholm obviously panned out well after leaving Carolina...

Not saying any of those decisions are wrong, but there's certainly more than Geekie that we've let go and found success elsewhere

Neither Roy or Lorentz are remotely near "we should bad for letting them go level"

Hanifin and Lindholm definitely are at that level I'll give you that but they were not drafted by the regime that sent them out there's a little more to them leaving.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

The feeling I'm getting here is that Blake is ranked higher than Stankoven. Blake has the better puck movement around the net and is just a bit below average size (where Stankoven is like Martin St-Louis size). Stankoven has a better shot and can score by finding holes. They're both decent defensively. (I think they project to be good defensively, but I don't want to read too much into their 1 season of NHL work.)

I think Blake has had more opportunity, however. Probably mostly by being on the team for longer. Stank played a game or two if memory serves on the top line, but has mostly played with Martinook/Staal or on the 4th line. Blake has played a little on the 4th line but has spent a lot of time with Aho and Jarvis.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Neither Roy or Lorentz are remotely near "we should bad for letting them go level"

Hanifin and Lindholm definitely are at that level I'll give you that but they were not drafted by the regime that sent them out there's a little more to them leaving.

The Adam Fox situation is a significant wrinkle to that trade. From a scouting perspective, they couldn't have fit a bigger home run, but much like a lot of guys we've acquired in recent years, only wanted to play for teams of his choosing.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Unfathomable how he resigned the Canucks to getting absolutely nothing in return for Hughes now. This isn’t a Trouba situation where the player screwed over his team by publicly declaring love for a single team and crashing his trade value, this is a GM who has walked himself into a corner where 30 teams straight up aren’t going to consider trading for the player and the other team knows they can lowball Vancouver or just wait for UFA.

The point that I am making is really that there's almost no question that Carolina is Team #31. This is exactly the kind of calculated gambles that they take.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Eetu also turned into a useful player but nothing to cry about

 

[Derailed75]

Eetu also turned into a useful player but nothing to cry about

That's a good note for our scouting department. How many of these guys will carve out a long solid NHL career? Probably a good chunk, but like you said nothing to cry about. I'll stand by my comment Forsling is the only guy that we traded away that's looking like a top pair/top 6/ 1A starter level guy. Every one else re big old Meh burgers

 

[Lempo]

Any time I read "Blake" I hear it internally the way like in the Yellowbeard movie.

'What happened? Plague! Plague? All sudden like! Lucky I was out. That man's got a sword in...' - Yellowbeard

Commander Clement: [about pile of dead bodies] What happened? Betty: Plague! Commander Clement: Plague? Betty: All sudden like! Lucky I was out. Commander Clement: That man's got a sword in him! Betty: He fell on it.

clip.cafe

 

[MinJaBen]

Yeah, with Rutherford's comments about Quinn wanting to play with his brothers, zero chance any team gives up a lot for him without an extension in place

Unless it is checkers, he can’t play with his brother when they are always on the IR.

 

[Derailed75]

When I see the name Blake all I can think of is.

 

[Derailed75]

Ba-lok-a

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

I think the way we should deal with having a lack of size in our skill guys is to put the meanest, borderline dirty, you no touch my guys type players around them, and tell them that if anyone LOOKS at our guys the wrong way, handle it. I think one or two big brothers would do the trick even if they were 4th liners.

 

[robbieberns]

I think the way we should deal with having a lack of size in our skill guys is to put the meanest, borderline dirty, you no touch my guys type players around them, and tell them that if anyone LOOKS at our guys the wrong way, handle it. I think one or two big brothers would do the trick even if they were 4th liners.

us needing this so badly is why I’m so in favor of a Bennett pursuit this summer

 

[bleedgreen]

Nic Roy has become a solid contributor for Vegas, Lorentz won a Cup with Florida, Hanifin and Lindholm obviously panned out well after leaving Carolina...

Not saying any of those decisions are wrong, but there's certainly more than Geekie that we've let go and found success elsewhere

I've been thinking that maybe trying Roy as our 2C wouldnt be the worst effort. Hia skating iant worse than KK's, hes righty and hes not bad defensively. I'm sure he'd buy in. There just isnt many righty possible 2C's out there.