Jackets trying to get the 3rd OA Pick (For Anisimov, Rychel, and 8OA?)

[ClevelandJacketFan]

I appreciate that Jarmo is trying to replace the loss of Reilly by trading up, but I hope that he doesn't use all of his assets and leaves something to go after the #1 defenseman that this club needs. Will be interesting to see what shakes out, if anything, over the next 72 hours.

Well...aren't we assuming Hanifin becomes that?

I know Hanifin wouldn't be the #1 next year, but certainly in time that's what he is projected to be. So...idk. I would imagine that Hanifin takes his place on the roster this year and grows, meaning no huge trade for a #1 defenseman.

 

[jackets4life]

I appreciate that Jarmo is trying to replace the loss of Reilly by trading up, but I hope that he doesn't use all of his assets and leaves something to go after the #1 defenseman that this club needs. Will be interesting to see what shakes out, if anything, over the next 72 hours.

I think he is banking on Noah Hanifin being that #1 defenseman the team needs. JD himself said the team was focused more on long term success than short term as recently as yesterday. Going to be a lot easier to acquire that D through this trade than on open market I would say. Hanifin-Murray...that's the stuff dreams are made of.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

All this talk just has me assured we're walking away with one of Hanifin or Provorov.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

And you are saying it is going to take more than 3 recent 1st round picks. That is like saying it would take more than the 14th, 16th, and 19th. Not to mention those guys have proven more than guys in this draft have. The 3rd is not worth that much.

Yes, I think it would take more than 3 recent 1st round picks. Milano, Wennberg, and Rychel have proven little (Wennberg, Rychel) to nothing (Milano) on the NHL level. They all have great potential, and that is worth alot, but it probably won't get you 3rd overall in a stacked draft year.

Maybe I'm wrong and it takes two of those guys and a few other picks, Idk if I make the deal either way.

 

[Kev22]

I think he is banking on Noah Hanifin being that #1 defenseman the team needs. JD himself said the team was focused more on long term success than short term as recently as yesterday. Going to be a lot easier to acquire that D through this trade than on open market I would say. Hanifin-Murray...that's the stuff dreams are made of.

I still think we need more for our defense than just Hanifin, but I appreciate the aggressiveness of Jarmo. If he does trade up, just make sure that Hanifin is signed ASAP and never steps foot on the BC campus ever again. Consider me gun shy.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I still think we need more for our defense than just Hanifin, but I appreciate the aggressiveness of Jarmo. If he does trade up, just make sure that Hanifin is signed ASAP and never steps foot on the BC campus ever again. Consider me gun shy.

I'm sure its not an issue

 

[niflheim]

I'm not a proponent of this but there's a ton of smoke here.

8 + 38 + cash (not Nash, 2-3 mln $)

 

[WannabeFinn]

Yes, I think it would take more than 3 recent 1st round picks. Milano, Wennberg, and Rychel have proven little (Wennberg, Rychel) to nothing (Milano) on the NHL level. They all have great potential, and that is worth alot, but it probably won't get you 3rd overall in a stacked draft year.

Maybe I'm wrong and it takes two of those guys and a few other picks, Idk if I make the deal either way.

Off the top of my head, taking Arizona's needs into consideration, I think they'd ask for something like Wennberg + Dano + Savard. Young, good players with RFA years remaining. Addresses essentially every need they have.. center, RW, RHD. Savard is already a top 4 D and Wennberg/Dano have very real chances of becoming top 6 forwards. Lots of potential remaining in all of them and they can all play with the big boys as evidenced by last season.

 

[EspenK]

Well...aren't we assuming Hanifin becomes that?

I know Hanifin wouldn't be the #1 next year, but certainly in time that's what he is projected to be. So...idk. I would imagine that Hanifin takes his place on the roster this year and grows, meaning no huge trade for a #1 defenseman.

I don't think this trade precludes the other; I just don't see us trading for a true #1 D man. I know some advocate Buff but I don't see him in my mind as a true #1 guy like Doughty, Keith, Subban, Karlsson, Chara (in his prime), Lidstrom, etc. Hanifin could become one of those kind.

 

[EspenK]

I'd include Wennberg in the deal if necessary. Jenner is well suited as a 3C and would alleviate part of the logjam at W.

My best offer would be Wennberg+Anisimov+8OA+a next year pick or maybe one of this years 3rds or maybe 58.

People will say that is too much but I think you have to look at the big picture and not focus on individual players. Go tell me how we fit Wennberg, Dano, Milano, Bjorkstrand,Rychel,Anderson into the lineup within the next 5 years with guys like Foligno, Dubi, Hartnell, Atkinson all signed for up to 6 years plus re-signing of Joey & Jenner. Someone(s)has to go. To get a guy who could very well be the other half of a top 2 pairing seems to be as good a time as any to break a bit of the log jam.

 

[Kev22]

I wish this draft wasn't as deep. In most years, the Jackets probably could have taken a run at #3, without giving up #8. If we're looking at giving up assets like Rychel, Wennberg, Anisimov and picks, it seems to me that just three players alone could net a high pick.

 

[Xoggz22]

I'd include Wennberg in the deal if necessary. Jenner is well suited as a 3C and would alleviate part of the logjam at W.

My best offer would be Wennberg+Anisimov+8OA+a next year pick or maybe one of this years 3rds or maybe 58.

People will say that is too much but I think you have to look at the big picture and not focus on individual players. Go tell me how we fit Wennberg, Dano, Milano, Bjorkstrand,Rychel,Anderson into the lineup within the next 5 years with guys like Foligno, Dubi, Hartnell, Atkinson all signed for up to 6 years plus re-signing of Joey & Jenner. Someone(s)has to go. To get a guy who could very well be the other half of a top 2 pairing seems to be as good a time as any to break a bit of the log jam.

I'm willing to bet Hartnell nor Atkinson will be here for the length of their contracts. I think one is moved this year if not both. Not that I'm advocating it. Atkinson I would be ok with but I would like to see Hartnell stick around a while.

 

[Jackets16]

I appreciate that Jarmo is trying to replace the loss of Reilly by trading up, but I hope that he doesn't use all of his assets and leaves something to go after the #1 defenseman that this club needs. Will be interesting to see what shakes out, if anything, over the next 72 hours.

I am 100% confient this has 0% to do with Reilly.

 

[Fro]

Cam + Rychel + 38 = #3

 

[Jackets16]

Yes, I think it would take more than 3 recent 1st round picks. Milano, Wennberg, and Rychel have proven little (Wennberg, Rychel) to nothing (Milano) on the NHL level. They all have great potential, and that is worth alot, but it probably won't get you 3rd overall in a stacked draft year.

Maybe I'm wrong and it takes two of those guys and a few other picks, Idk if I make the deal either way.

Signing a proven, REALLY GOOD NHL player to an offer sheet of $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 would cost us two firsts, a second, and a third-round pick. You are saying you would offer more (a lot, IMO) than that for a 3rd overall pick to draft an unproven guy?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

People will say that is too much but I think you have to look at the big picture and not focus on individual players. Go tell me how we fit Wennberg, Dano, Milano, Bjorkstrand,Rychel,Anderson into the lineup within the next 5 years with guys like Foligno, Dubi, Hartnell, Atkinson all signed for up to 6 years plus re-signing of Joey & Jenner. Someone(s)has to go. To get a guy who could very well be the other half of a top 2 pairing seems to be as good a time as any to break a bit of the log jam.

Even if we take out the context of this year's draft and our hope to secure a top-end defenseman...

Rarely does a future roster shake out exactly as we'd like. Someone who fans don't want to see traded or unsigned is going to be gone, and we're not going to like it, for a while anyway, and then we'll get used to it, hopefully through winning with the help of whomever is brought in in place of the player(s) we liked.

So anyway, you're right on with this post, I think. There is always some pain in the process for fans.

 

[Jackets16]

I'd include Wennberg in the deal if necessary. Jenner is well suited as a 3C and would alleviate part of the logjam at W.

My best offer would be Wennberg+Anisimov+8OA+a next year pick or maybe one of this years 3rds or maybe 58.

People will say that is too much but I think you have to look at the big picture and not focus on individual players. Go tell me how we fit Wennberg, Dano, Milano, Bjorkstrand,Rychel,Anderson into the lineup within the next 5 years with guys like Foligno, Dubi, Hartnell, Atkinson all signed for up to 6 years plus re-signing of Joey & Jenner. Someone(s)has to go. To get a guy who could very well be the other half of a top 2 pairing seems to be as good a time as any to break a bit of the log jam.

Wennberg is the last guy I would include. I'd include any young forward on our team (not Johansen) and any other forward prospect before I would include Wennberg.

 

[Jackets16]

There will still be plenty of assets available. Trading Rychel and a second won't decimate us by any means.

In fact, that would do nothing to alleviate our glut of forwards, so there will obviously be additional moves coming.

What you call a glut I call depth. Something good teams have and need.

 

[niflheim]

Go tell me how we fit Wennberg, Dano, Milano, Bjorkstrand,Rychel,Anderson into the lineup within the next 5 years with guys like Foligno, Dubi, Hartnell, Atkinson all signed for up to 6 years plus re-signing of Joey & Jenner. Someone(s)has to go.

Don't forget to read sometimes our book of Eli

""We’ve been trotting Atkinson’s name out there for a while, and we’ve not done so irresponsibly. He’s cheap, young and productive. He won’t kill a salary cap. There’s a market for that type of player.

Anisimov would be tough to move...But Wennberg started to come on in the second half of last season as the third-line center when Anisimov was out with a torn arm muscle. Is Wennberg ready? Management thinks so, and they like him in the middle. So something has to give.

Hartnell is a wild-card....this might be the right time to trade him as part of a big return.

Rychel’s name has been floated, and it makes sense that he could be moved.""

PS Keep Wennberg. Puckpasser, Milano and Bjork are our future " Triplets"

 

[EspenK]

Even if we take out the context of this year's draft and our hope to secure a top-end defenseman...

Rarely does a future roster shake out exactly as we'd like. Someone who fans don't want to see traded or unsigned is going to be gone, and we're not going to like it, for a while anyway, and then we'll get used to it, hopefully through winning with the help of whomever is brought in in place of the player(s) we liked.

So anyway, you're right on with this post, I think. There is always some pain in the process for fans.

I'm pretty sure that Bruins' fans weren't happy when they traded Thornton. But ultimately they won a Cup and SJ has a great center but no Cup.

 

[JacketsDavid]

So what would be the best case timeline and most like timeline for a guy like Hanifan?

Would it be (best case):
-3rd pairing guy in 2015-16
-Top pairing guy by 2017-18

My concern with deal is we have a glut of 3rd pairing d-men (edited), so if this trade would happen and we give up a forward where would that leave our pairings for next year (or two). Would it leave us any other bullets to pursue a top pairing d-man, or would it leave us that we would essentially roll with last years d-men?

As other mentioned I'm not sure if we could get a legit #1 d-man but if this deal precludes us (lack of bullets especially draft picks or cap space) from getting an upgrade I would be leary.

 

[Jackets16]

Might as well try to trade for Hamilton. He would cost less than what some on here are willing to trade to get the third pick.

 

[Doggy]

Might as well try to trade for Hamilton. He would cost less than what some on here are willing to trade to get the third pick.

In players...perhaps. In dollars...not so much. Good teams need quality contributors on the low end of the pay scale. Hanifin will give us three good years on an ELC while Hamilton will be paid a lot more ($4 - $6 Million/season perhaps). For a team like the CBJ who are already watching their pennies...Hanifin makes a lot more sense than Hamilton (short term and medium term).

 

[Kev22]

Might as well try to trade for Hamilton. He would cost less than what some on here are willing to trade to get the third pick.

You seem like you're fine with the team as constructed, because you seem to tear down most proposals. That's cool, I'd just like to hear some of your ideas.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

If Jarmo determines that #3 is the spot he has to get too..

In players...perhaps. In dollars...not so much. Good teams need quality contributors on the low end of the pay scale. Hanifin will give us three good years on an ELC while Hamilton will be paid a lot more ($4 - $6 Million/season perhaps). For a team like the CBJ who are already watching their pennies...Hanifin makes a lot more sense than Hamilton (short term and medium term).

What is the max you are willing to give to get #3 and keep #8?


I'm predicting we stay at #8 and take one of Provorov, Rantanen, Werenski or Crouse (can't go wrong) but they do not solve the current holes in the D either way