Value of: J Anderson (50% retention for 2 more years)

[MardyBum]

I get that it’s fun to crap on habs fans but I think Anderson at 2.75 would actually garner a lot of interest around the league

Not like a 1st+ return though, which means there’s no point in Montreal burning a retention slot because he plays a role for them and they have enough 2nd/mid picks already

For a rental? Absolutely, GM's love using that deadline capspace on big guys.

What contender who will be spending to the cap wants to trade for a 30 point 31 year old forward making 2.75 million for 2 more years though? And apparently have to blow the socks off of Hughes to do it?

Can't imagine the Habs would retain 50% anyways, the point is to eventually be a playoff team and that capspace should be needed to improve the players around their youth.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

It’s about “style” now? Dear lord…. Please quantify style. His “style” is his jersey to Habs fans. It clearly gives him 10x value on his actual production.

Maybe the Habs need to start recognizing that “style” and give him more TOI as he sits 9th in forwards on (to politely say) a rebuilding team, 12th in shot share and 3rd on his line in shot share….damnit I did it again, if forgot it’s not about the stats and results, it’s about “style”.

Literally never seen someone bring up shot share to try and discredit a player before

Nerd alerttttt

What do your stats say about his dominating fight wins vs Tom Wilson and Jacob Trouba?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

He also sucks in the playoffs and can't produce. I'm not seeing what everybody else is when it comes to Anderson. Yes he's big but who f***ing cares if he's mediocre at playing hockey?

What do Devils fans know about sucking the in the playoffs haha, they’re still running Tatar out there

Anderson scored the GWG in OT in Montreal’s only win vs Tampa in the Cup Finals

 

[Habs Halifax]

He also sucks in the playoffs and can't produce. I'm not seeing what everybody else is when it comes to Anderson. Yes he's big but who f***ing cares if he's mediocre at playing hockey?

Anderson does not suck in the playoffs. His level of value extends well beyond your "points" approach. There is no doubt in my mind that every single contender (top 10 teams) would love to have him on their 3rd line for the playoffs. Big body that skates very well and can play physical. Also very good on the PK.

The only flaw would be trying to play him in a top 6 role in which the Habs did in previous years.

I believe you are way off on Anderson's value. This reeks like someone who really doesn't even watch him play and is gullible to the internet bandwagon devalue party going on.

 

[TGWL]

With retention probably a 3rd + later pick or prospect who won't make the current team/needs an opening somewhere else.

Gm's still like their gritty, hard nosed, Pk potential players.

 

[Xirik]

What do Devils fans know about sucking the in the playoffs haha, they’re still running Tatar out there

Anderson scored the GWG in OT in Montreal’s only win vs Tampa in the Cup Finals

Nice eyes you got there.. clearly someone who has the avatar of Coleman in a Flames jersey is a Devils fan.

 

[Blue Chip Prospect]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. He found his niche on the PK. The Habs can use his speed and north south game and he's more valuable to the team than anything he would get on the market at that cap and production.

We have all the cap space in the world to keep him and the cap is going up significantly so his 5.5 contract is just not an issue whatsoever for the team.

I vote for keeping him.

 

[Drake1588]

I do believe he would have value at 50 percent retention. I'm just not sure I believe the Habs would do it.

Full retention on pending UFAs is easy, and happens all the time. Retention on deals with real term remaining are rarer than most proposals on HF would suggest, though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I do believe he would have value at 50 percent retention. I'm just not sure I believe the Habs would do it.

Full retention on pending UFAs is easy, and happens all the time. Retention on deals with real term remaining are rarer than most proposals on HF would suggest, though.

Well, if we do retain 50%, we are not just taking a late 1st in a weak draft (Mesar type swing and miss). If you are thinking 2nd rounder or worse, forget about it. A very solid 3rd liner for 3 playoff runs at $2.75M? I think some of you need to rethink this through a bit more. This is the type of piece all contenders are looking for and for that cap hit? Come on man

This is not about the Habs wanting to unload desperately. We are fine with Anderson and he does not clutter our cap space for his term left. This is about what we could get from a contender and how he fits a contender more than he fits the Habs timeline. Maybe his last year of term is where the Habs start to make some playoff noise.

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

No, it's called you made an incorrect assessment not supported by the facts... as often happens with Habs player and their value or impact around here.



Stating someone is a great penalty killer when they don't earn #1 PK time is not an opinion, it's blatantly false.



"Sure buddy" is not a counter-argument FYI.

Matheson is great on the powerplay, but plays on the second unit. Anderson has been very good on the pk this year, we just happen to have Evans and Armia who are better.

 

[Drake1588]

Well, if we do retain 50%, we are not just taking a late 1st in a weak draft (Mesar type swing and miss). If you are thinking 2nd rounder or worse, forget about it. A very solid 3rd liner for 3 playoff runs at $2.75M? I think some of you need to rethink this through a bit more. This is the type of piece all contenders are looking for and for that cap hit? Come on man

This is not about the Habs wanting to unload desperately. We are fine with Anderson and he does not clutter our cap space for his term left. This is about what we could get from a contender and how he fits a contender more than he fits the Habs timeline. Maybe his last year of term is where the Habs start to make some playoff noise.

I'm not trying to trade for the guy, or drum down his value. I'm saying this guy would have value if offered around at full retention, but that I don't think the Habs will retain that much, or for that long. I think he's going to finish out the year, and probably next year, as a Hab. They'll try to trade him as a rental in his final season, and only THEN will be willing to retain at the deadline.

 

[McDuffz88]

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm not trying to trade for the guy, or drum down his value. I'm saying this guy would have value if offered around at full retention, but that I don't think the Habs will retain that much, or for that long. I think he's going to finish out the year, and probably next year, as a Hab. They'll try to trade him as a rental in his final season, and only THEN will be willing to retain at the deadline.

Probably accurate to what will happen.

I just got this feeling that the Habs will get calls on Anderson's availability. Lebrun spoke towards that as well in recent weeks.

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Pay attention more. This is Anderson with 50% retention value thread. And there are some fans who are open to offering a late 1st. Rightfully so... A very good 3rd liner for 3 playoffs at $2.75M. You better bet that returns a late 1st. Thinking otherwise is ignorance and a belittle fan base narrative which is trash talk.

 

[bleuetbio]

Agree that Anderson would receive a lot of attention if retained, but its unlikely top happen this year with Allen and Petry already in. Last retention slot must be used on Dvorak (4.45), Armia (3,36) or Savard (3,5).

All theses guys will be target

Dvorak: Top 10 NHL faceoff
Armia: Numerous Top 10 even top 5 in defensive stats
Savard: Defensive RD a major need around the league

Question still legit. If Anderson could bring back a 1st, I wouldnt hesitate the retention on him

 

[TS Quint]

Literally never seen someone bring up shot share to try and discredit a player before

Nerd alerttttt

What do your stats say about his dominating fight wins vs Tom Wilson and Jacob Trouba?

You have never seen shot share brought up in these forums? Is this your first day?

It doesn’t look like Anderson being a stupid goon help his team. In 3 head to head games this year the Caps got 5 points in the standings and the Habs 2. Tom Wilson has 4 points in those 3 games and Josh with 1 . The first game they fought, Wilson had 2 points and the Caps won the game 6-3, Wilson was the 1st star of the game. Wilson was also collected 3rd star in the second game.

Today you learned.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

You have never seen shot share brought up in these forums? Is this your first day?

It doesn’t look like Anderson being a stupid goon help his team. In 3 head to head games this year the Caps got 5 points in the standings and the Habs 2. Tom Wilson has 4 points in those 3 games and Josh with 1 . The first game they fought, Wilson had 2 points and the Caps won the game 6-3, Wilson was the 1st star of the game. Wilson was also collected 3rd star in the second game.

Today you learned.

It's actually the most cringey and nerdy thing you can do on these boards, not watch the games but argue about corsi while providing zero context

Also they fought at the end of the game after a late hit, so none of that is relevant

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agree that Anderson would receive a lot of attention if retained, but its unlikely top happen this year with Allen and Petry already in. Last retention slot must be used on Dvorak (4.45), Armia (3,36) or Savard (3,5).

All theses guys will be target

Dvorak: Top 10 NHL faceoff
Armia: Numerous Top 10 even top 5 in defensive stats
Savard: Defensive RD a major need around the league

I would only use the retention spot on one of Armia, Savard, or Dvorak if it returned something of value to us.

* Dvorak with retention still won't get much. Not worth it
* Savard with retention might get something but not sure. He's still very smart and can fill a bottom pairing hole very well. RD shot as well. Seems to be running out of gas but maybe he has one good run left.
* Armia might have the best value of the 3. Retention might get a shocking return in this case.

One of Anderson or Armia need to stay IMO.

 

[bleuetbio]

I would only use the retention spot on one of Armia, Savard, or Dvorak if it returned something of value to us.

* Dvorak with retention still won't get much. Not worth it
* Savard with retention might get something but not sure. He's still very smart and can fill a bottom pairing hole very well. RD shot as well. Seems to be running our of gas but maybe he has one good run left.
* Armia might have the best value of the 3. Retention might get a shocking return in this case.

One of Anderson or Armia need to stay IMO.

It comes to which scenario can bring back the better asset.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It comes to which scenario can bring back the better asset.

Yup! Agreed.

Someone on the Habs board just said that an Evans/Armia package could land us a very good return. Two guys who are proven together and can really change a contenders 3rd line.

Some fans will laugh at me but these late 1sts in this draft are not that attractive. I do trust Bob M when he says there is a drop around 15-20 and your 2nd rounders in this draft are your usual 3rd rounders.

Buyers don't like hearing this but it's reality. Don't trust me but I would trust Bob M.

 

[TS Quint]

It's actually the most cringey and nerdy thing you can do on these boards, not watch the games but argue about corsi while providing zero context

Also they fought at the end of the game after a late hit, so none of that is relevant

You asked and I gave you the answer. Now you’re mad you asked. There’s no making you happy.

I’ve provided far more context to Anderson than any Hab fan here especially yourself. Your little Hab Halifax cheering section has nothing to offer than playing him less is better (lol) and posting “you don’t watch him” every second post of the thread. If you have absolutely anything to offer other than whining I’m here for it.

So far the only thing interesting Habs fans have offered is he’s good at the PK. Habs have a good PK, I can believe that opinion.

 

[japhi27returns]

Can someone point me to an example of a team without any cap issues retaining for 2 seasons on a top 9 player that fits a clear role within the team and has no locker room issues?

Exactly, doesn’t happen. No team is paying 50% of a players salary to get 0% production when they love that player, play him 15 mins a night, and can easily afford him.

Be better, guys.

 

[bleuetbio]

Yup! Agreed.

Someone on the Habs board just said that an Evans/Armia package could land us a very good return. Two guys who are proven together and can really change a contenders 3rd line.

Some fans will laugh at me but these late 1sts in this draft are not that attractive. I do trust Bob M when he says there is a drop around 15-20 and your 2nd rounders in this draft are your usual 3rd rounders.

Buyers don't like hearing this but it's reality. Don't trust me but I would trust Bob M.

Still think that Evans will stay if the contract talks progress. I wouldnt trade Evans for a magic bean at this point. The bean must be a proven bean in a needed spot (Center, RD).

 

[Habs Halifax]

Still think that Evans will stay if the contract talks progress. I wouldnt trade Evans for a magic bean at this point. The bean must be a proven bean in a needed spot (Center, RD).

I agree with that. You see some fans say 2nd and 3rd and some say late 1st but even that late 1st is a magic bean. Evans is worth more to the Habs than a shot at getting another Mesar.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

This thread is odd. OP brings Anderson up in a value thread on the main board, presumably to hear what others feel his value is, only to talk down at them when they don’t offer up the value that the OP thinks he’s worth. This is all opinion based from all fans, including the OP yet anything less than the OP’s perceived value is trolling?!.

 

[McJedi]

Well, for 3 playoff runs at $2.75M, I think that 3rd rounder talk is a massive reach in the devalue side of things. And you know it! That makes no sense at all and if a Habs fan said that (situation reversed), you and many others would laugh them to death.

Probably says Anderson is not traded this season. I agree there. But I do see several GM's knocking on this door and yeah, no GM in their right mind is going to ask for 50% retention and only offer a 3rd rounder. Come on man. That would be a value contract for a contender and someone with skating/size/physicality who plays the PK very well. 3 playoffs and signed until age 33... that is the sweet spot with Anderson IMO. It's the next contract at age 33+ you want to avoid!

If we are using a retention spot, it's probably with Savard or Armia. Why would we do that with Dvorak and get a 3rd rounder? It would be better to use that on Savard or Armia and get something better. Many of you are going to be shocked at how many 2nd and 3rd rounders are traded at this TDL... it's a weak draft after pick 20. 2nd rounders are more like 3rd rounders in this draft. Right out of Bob M mouth. I bet you most of the top 10 teams (if not all) will trade their 1st rounders.

At the end of the day, The Habs have had tons of picks since 2017 and we have loads more in this draft. It's very possible the Habs make minor moves. If a team wants Dvorak for a 3rd rounder (or worse), Habs will say sure but if you can't fit it in your cap, that is not our problem. Go try to get another team to retain in a 3 way trade. Otherwise, we will just let Dvorak expire. For as much as he is not valued by many fans, he is valued in our room and is our best faceoff guy. Many other Habs fans will disagree but I can see Dvorak back in a depth role next year (13th or 14th forward maybe)... if he is interested in a $1.5M contract for one year.

I didn't realize he's got three more years on his deal. Yeah... 50% retention over three years too painful for Habs. No way you make a deal for a 3rd in that scenario. My main point was that he's not getting moved until he's a pending UFA (rental) and I'm very very very likely right on that unless his play dramatically improves. $5.5MM is way too much for a mediocre 3rd liner with some pretty wild swings in his production and performances. I suppose he could be moved for an equally bad contract, but those trades are so hard to predict.

Lets just be candid. This Josh Anderson isn't getting traded this year. That's a bad contract and everyone knows it. He's not on anyone's radar for a trade... including the Habs GM. Habs aren't going to retain for that long and no team is going to have any interest in that contract at the full $5.5MM AAV.

You need to settle down and table this Josh Anderson trade business for at least a year and now... very likely two years.

Habs have some pending UFAs... Focus on them. Evans has value for sure. Dvorak will have some at 50% retained. Ditto Savard. You don't have many retention slots do you? If so... the ones you have will go to the pending UFAs.