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Value of: J Anderson (50% retention for 2 more years)

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VeteranPresence said:
Historically it's not worth much more than a 3rd, no. Nick Bonino (19 points in 59 games, 2:14 SH TOI/G) went for a 5th and 7th in 2023. Nick Bjugstad (23 points in 59 games, 2:10 SH TOI/G) went for a 3rd and prospect that same deadline. Gustav Nyquist (22 points in 48 games, 1:44 SH TOI/G) was traded for a 5th. Namestnikov in 2022 (25 points, 1:37 SH TOI/G) went for a 4th.

Those are a whole lot of comparables, none of which justify asking for more than that.
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...and none of those play the same game as Anderson does...do you actually know what a comparable is??... :dunno:
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...and none of those play the same game as Anderson does...do you actually know what a comparable is??... :dunno:
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"Play style" means nothing. It's a buzzword for people who are ignorant of statistics. A "fast" player who "hits" sounds awesome but if it doesn't lead to chances being generated and/or suppressed, it doesn't matter.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Most people are just here to belittle and make fun of Anderson. That is pretty clear at this stage. I doubt they have watched him play to even have any credibility on his style.
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...and I'm here to belittle and poke fun at them... :thumbu:


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Bond said:
Won’t be worth it for the Habs unless they need that cap space. Should have taken that 1st LeBrun said they turned down years ago lol
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We are not that desperate to move him. I think he provides more value to a contender than he does for the Habs in the next playoffs and 2 more years. Habs are still in transition years for a bit yet.

50% retention gives a team a very good value contract and lots of room to add more with a growing cap. I think some of you are guilty of constantly devaluing Anderson. Internet popular bandwagons are not the real reality.

BigDaddyLurch said:
...and I'm here to belittle and poke fun at them... :thumbu:


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I don't think they can take what they spit out to be honest.
 
I get that it’s fun to crap on habs fans but I think Anderson at 2.75 would actually garner a lot of interest around the league

Not like a 1st+ return though, which means there’s no point in Montreal burning a retention slot because he plays a role for them and they have enough 2nd/mid picks already
 
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crackdown44 said:
I get that it’s fun to crap on habs fans but I think Anderson at 2.75 would actually garner a lot of interest around the league

Not like a 1st+ return though, which means there’s no point in Montreal burning a retention slot because he plays a role for them and they have enough 2nd/mid picks already
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This is very fair. Thank you for posting something with substance.

Anderson is like of like Dubois, when they are on, they are effective. When they are off, they frustrate you a lot! I really like what MSL did this year with Anderson... he gave him a stable role (finally) and stopped bouncing him all over the roster. He's keeping his game simple and he's been very good for us on the PK. I do know that contenders will like what he provides in the playoffs. Big boy that skates very well and plays physical.

The angle I wonder about is what Bob M said in his mid season prospect rankings last week or the week before. He said there is a substantial drop at 20+ and the 2nd rounders in this draft is more like your typical 3rd rounders. This is something to watch out for as we see more trades towards the TDL.
 
crackdown44 said:
I get that it’s fun to crap on habs fans but I think Anderson at 2.75 would actually garner a lot of interest around the league

Not like a 1st+ return though, which means there’s no point in Montreal burning a retention slot because he plays a role for them and they have enough 2nd/mid picks already
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Exactly. It just makes more sense as a value proposition, for the Habs to use that retention slot on retaining a guy like Savard/Evans/Armia on an expiring contract down to absolutely dirt cheap to completely maximize the return on whichever of them...

Especially because that means they'll also have all their retention slots back and cleared up to use on whatever they feel like next year, and the year after that. Which is more compounding potential "value" to be had on guys. Whereas Anderson...you're locked in to that slot being used and you only get that "value bump" for retention one time over the course of three years.


I think if Josh Anderson is going to be moved with multiple years remaining on his deal...it'd be more likely a case of taking back some other sort of "bad contract" with similar term, rather than retention. But the Habs don't necessarily have a lot of incentive to even move him at all right now. He's still a useful enough player for them...and the price a team will pay isn't likely to move the needle much for the Habs who are already overflowing with mid picks and prospects.
 
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Favin said:
Did one team make a huge offer for him last year and Montreal declined?
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Last year or the year before. Lebrun was quoted... "I can assure you a team offered a 1st for Anderson". Make fun of the Habs if you wish but we value him way more than what you see on these boards. At least our GM does anyways. Our fan base is not on the same page with Anderson and many of our players.

Nobody likes to trade a 1st but these are late 1sts. The chances you are trading a top 4D or a top 6F is slim! GM's on contenders are more open to moving those late 1sts because their roster has little holes and they want to contend and those late 1sts take a while to develop... if you hit.
 
Habs Halifax said:
We are not that desperate to move him. I think he provides more value to a contender than he does for the Habs in the next playoffs and 2 more years. Habs are still in transition years for a bit yet.

50% retention gives a team a very good value contract and lots of room to add more with a growing cap. I think some of you are guilty of constantly devaluing Anderson. Internet popular bandwagons are not the real reality.
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I just don’t think get something that is worth the retention. They got deep pockets so maybe a 2nd or 3rd is worth 5 million to them 🤷
 
Bond said:
I just don’t think get something that is worth the retention. They got deep pockets so maybe a 2nd or 3rd is worth 5 million to them 🤷
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It's more about finding out what he is worth to a contender because his timeline does not fit the Habs timeline. He's provided some very good value to us this year but the Habs are probably in transition years for 2 more years still (which is Anderson's term left). We can consider moving him at any point in the next 3 years. If he continues to welcome this role he is playing well under, his value will be stable and the cap is growing

This is not about money or deep pockets. It's about evaluating what we can get if we move him at 50% retention. We have more than enough cap space to live with both Anderson and Gallagher. Gallagher is way more of a problem than Anderson is. When Anderson is not scoring or putting up points, at least he is playing physical and using his big body and skating. Gallagher skating is bad and he's getting smothered with the puck. He has little to no reaction time.

If the offers are 2nd and 3rd's we pass. We already have two 2nd's and three 3rd's in this next draft. At 50% retention ($2.75M) in a growing cap, I think we should get a late 1st. Otherwise, it's not worth it. I think most see what is happening here.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Not much talk about Anderson trades these days but I can see it picking up, as we get closer to the TDL. Lebrun quote: I do think teams will call the Habs again about Anderson.

No idea how aggressive teams would get but I can see some solid offers being made. Big boy that skates well and can play physical. Seems to have stablized himself in a 3rd line role and a great penalty killer.
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Doubt Habs move Andy. He's big and tough on small soft team.
 
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HuGort said:
Doubt Habs move Andy. He's big and tough on small soft team.
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I don't think we will but I was wondering if other fans has changed their minds on him. Probably not. haha.

Pay attention to the media... I think Anderson's name will be brought up again as we move closer to the TDL (credible or not)
 
At 50%, I think there would be takers. Big, fast, willing to engage physically. He's dropped the mitts this year and showed his mettle. The offense is not there, but he clearly worked over the summer to develop and invest himself in other parts of the game. He's become an important penalty killer.

Value? 2024 deadline:

Roslovic got a conditional 4th (could have been a third) while making $4 million
Beauvillier got a 5th while making $4.1 million
Tatar got a 5th while making $1.5 million

None of those guys had extra years. 2024 being an apparently deeper draft could offset that a bit. I don't think more than a 4th would be likely, but if you getting a bidding war going, someone might go mad and throw an offer similar to what Jeannot got.
 
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