Prospect Info: Ives 2021 Draft Final Rankings, Top 96 (3 Rounds)

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Hey @StevenToddIves thanks so much fir all your hard work and it’s really great you share this with us. It’s always interesting to see how these young players present to someone looking for what they can be in five or more years. As an aside, I’ll suggest that there are right handed defense prospects that look like good choices at every pick NJ will make. While I don’t expect the team to take more than two or three at most I hope a couple of guys like Bar and Iorio or Martin make it to NJ’s picks in the second and third round. Like you I think defenders need to defend and maybe they can develop decent offense but even just being able to move the puck out of the defensive zone with a decent pass can he enough. This could be a great draft for NJ.

You're welcome. It's my pleasure -- and I enjoy the idea that the rankings I work on so hard and so long can be considered by all the Devils HFBoards posters like your very own rankings, done specifically for you. I love going back 5 and 10 years down the line and comparing my own rankings to the big-name guys. But my favorite thing is when I hype up an unknown or underrated prospect and they wind up shocking everyone else and becoming very good NHLers. I've got some nice success stories with players universally ranked far lower who I had in or around my first round like Ethan Bear and Adam Fox.

A player like this in the 2021 draft is indeed Jack Bar, and Iorio and Martin would be close behind. I'd say my gutsiest rankings this year are likely Bar and Shai Buium -- two terrific USHL defenders who have been left out of many second round rankings and I have included in my first. But they're both big, smart and competitive and pass the puck extremely well. I actually consider them to be "conservative" picks, in that I think they have high floors as 3rd pairing guys, it's just a matter of that X-factor clicking in which gives either of them even higher potential (Buium: skating, Bar: more assertive and confident with his offensive tools to compliment an already-responsible and efficient defensive game).
 

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Thanks for all of your hard work.

How does this draft class stack up to the past previous ones? Any years that this draft class is comparable to?
 
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Thanks for all of your hard work.

How does this draft class stack up to the past previous ones? Any years that this draft class is comparable to?

I would say the 2021 class has some depth, especially at LW and LD, but misses the high-end skill of a generational #1 overall like Matthews or McDavid. I'd say the top 3 from 2020 (Lafreniere/Byfield/Stutzle) would be the top three again in 2021, while the top player from next year (Shane Wright) would be a slam-dunk as #1 overall this year.

Not to insult the 2021 class, but if you combined the class of 2019, 2020 and 2021 and 2022 -- well, I don't see a single 2021 player going in the top 10. But I feel we do need to factor in that many players' developments were negatively affected by the pandemic. So I suppose, as with any draft, we'll have to wait a few years and then re-visit your very good question.
 

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I would say the 2021 class has some depth, especially at LW and LD, but misses the high-end skill of a generational #1 overall like Matthews or McDavid. I'd say the top 3 from 2020 (Lafreniere/Byfield/Stutzle) would be the top three again in 2021, while the top player from next year (Shane Wright) would be a slam-dunk as #1 overall this year.

Not to insult the 2021 class, but if you combined the class of 2019, 2020 and 2021 and 2022 -- well, I don't see a single 2021 player going in the top 10. But I feel we do need to factor in that many players' developments were negatively affected by the pandemic. So I suppose, as with any draft, we'll have to wait a few years and then re-visit your very good question.
I think Eklund could hang with Stuetzle and Byfield, and I think Power and Hughes are in the same tier

Im not so sure about Beniers' Upside; im
Positive hell be an NHL player though
 

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I am really high on Tyler Boucher. I'm not sure I take him at #29, simply because there will likely be a player or two from my top 20 to slip through. But he could be available with the Devils 2nd round pick, and I would love to snatch him up there. There is no question the Devils need more physical forwards with more net-front presence and the ability to create forechecking havoc. Boucher is exactly this.
Agree with this from what I have read about Boucher. Happy to draft him with our 2nd round pick but wouldn't use #29 on him.

Still not sure he is skilled enough to play on a top 6 scoring line like I think L'Heureaux and Othmann are or if he is more suited to just be a physical bottom 6er winger.
 
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I think Eklund could hang with Stuetzle and Byfield, and I think Power and Hughes are in the same tier

Im not so sure about Beniers' Upside; im
Positive hell be an NHL player though

I've been hugely high on both Beniers and Eklund all year long, but I still feel it's a stretch to rank them alongside a Byfield or Stutzle. Both Byfield and Stutzle are superior skaters with superior hockey skills, to put it in the most simple of terms.

What's unusual about both Beniers and Eklund is that they are both top 5 picks whose finest attributes are intangibles. Beniers has the top compete level in the draft and also features an elite hockey IQ, while Eklund has the top hockey IQ in the draft and also features an elite compete level. Though this is what makes them both extremely lovable as players, it can also make you lose sight of the fact that, while both very skilled, neither is an elite forward talent in terms of pure physical attributes. In this respect, Beniers would be a touch closer to that description in that he's bigger and a superior skater.

I am extremely confident both Beniers and Eklund will succeed -- wildly -- in their NHL careers. They are both the penultimate "high floor" players. But while players like Byfield and Stutzle -- and Jack Hughes and Lafreniere -- have "lead the league in scoring" type upside, Beniers and Eklund do not.
 

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Agree with this from what I have read about Boucher. Happy to draft him with our 2nd round pick but wouldn't use #29 on him.

Still not sure he is skilled enough to play on a top 6 scoring line like I think L'Heureaux and Othmann are or if he is more suited to just be a physical bottom 6er winger.

I love Boucher. I feel his ceiling is "vintage Randy McKay" (for older Devils fans) -- a kid who can score 20 goals on your middle six and have a physical presence shift in and shift out with his high motor and compete level. However, that's his ultimate ceiling, so it's tough to take him in the first round when there will still be true gamebreakers available, in all likelihood.
 

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I love Boucher. I feel his ceiling is "vintage Randy McKay" (for older Devils fans) -- a kid who can score 20 goals on your middle six and have a physical presence shift in and shift out with his high motor and compete level. However, that's his ultimate ceiling, so it's tough to take him in the first round when there will still be true gamebreakers available, in all likelihood.

It would be fun to have a Boucher in the system again haha

Sounds like this one plays a game that might have a better chance of sticking in the league though. Thanks again for all the reports and work you do here mate.
 
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I love Boucher. I feel his ceiling is "vintage Randy McKay" (for older Devils fans) -- a kid who can score 20 goals on your middle six and have a physical presence shift in and shift out with his high motor and compete level. However, that's his ultimate ceiling, so it's tough to take him in the first round when there will still be true gamebreakers available, in all likelihood.

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2021 NHL Draft: Simon Edvinsson vs. Luke Hughes

10 NHL scouts asked who they would take between Hughes and Edvinsson and the results were 8-2 for Edvinsson. Just another set of opinions.

I wonder if STI's argument that Swedish defensemen get overrated is coming in to play here. It will certainly be interesting to follow his career, especially if he gets picked high like Broberg.
 

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Thank you for doing this. How can you NOT want "Red Savage" on the Devils. Are you sure you were not re-hashing the Marvel NHL heroes experiement?

Red Savage is also one of the better face-off men, two-way centers and forecheckers in the draft. He's controlled havoc, because his compete level is matched by a great understanding of the game and terrific hockey IQ. I think he's one of the higher floor players in the draft, and yes, he also has one of the coolest names.
 

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2021 NHL Draft: Simon Edvinsson vs. Luke Hughes

10 NHL scouts asked who they would take between Hughes and Edvinsson and the results were 8-2 for Edvinsson. Just another set of opinions.

Indeed. I respectfully would be an emphatic vote for Luke Hughes here. I'm not certain what in Edvinsson's game has people thinking he is going to be a 40+ point defenseman. It's certainly possible, but he was a kid who took a ton of offensive chances last year and scored 1 goal and 12 points in 38 games. The passing and shooting just are not high end, though I agree he can clean up his defensive game and become a real impact player in that respect.

Luke Hughes is going to become an impact scorer from the blueline, but he has the opposite problem of needing to clean up his work on the defensive side of the puck, which is far from a given. But if he's even up to average in that respect, Luke Hughes has incredible offensive upside.
 

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I wonder if STI's argument that Swedish defensemen get overrated is coming in to play here. It will certainly be interesting to follow his career, especially if he gets picked high like Broberg.

I don't feel that "Swedes are overrated" so much as I feel that -- for whatever reason -- many draft writers check off the box on "hockey IQ" just because a player is Swedish. There are a lot of inconsistencies which I have highlighted time and time again where players of certain backgrounds have their hockey IQs unfairly questioned, while high hockey IQ is taken as a given with other backgrounds, primarily Swedish.

One dichotomy I have often referred to was Philip Broberg vs. K'Andre Miller. Both were unbelievable size and speed combinations in their draft eligible seasons, without a doubt. The physical tools were actually quite similar with these two, which is why they made for such an ideal comparison.

Broberg was universally seen as a top 10 pick, with his hockey IQ rarely questioned. Miller was often ranked in the second round, with his hockey IQ under consistent scrutiny. And yet, watching these two players -- Broberg was mistake prone, took inopportune offensive chances often, missed coverages with reckless abandon, and turned the puck over with alarming regularity. Miller? He had only played the defense position for slightly over a year after being converted from forward, and despite learning the position on the fly showed an enormous maturity and proclivity for the position. Sometimes he missed his gaps and was slightly off in positioning, but overall he displayed a keen understanding of the game and an enormous amount of intelligence.

So, how was Miller's IQ questioned while Broberg's was not? How was there an assumption that Broberg would magically figure things out posed by the very same writers who asked openly if Miller would ever figure things out? I'm not going to even dare to try to assume why K'Andre Miller would specifically have his hockey IQ questioned, because that's a whole new can of worms.

In 2018, I ranked K'Andre Miller 10th overall, the highest ranking he received anywhere. Now -- just three years later -- Miller is one of the three best defensemen on the New York Rangers, and looks to have top pairing, all-situations potential. In 2019, I ranked Broberg 48th overall, the lowest ranking he received anywhere. While I felt he had NHL potential, I felt it was as a third-pairing guy with maybe second-pairing upside. Two years later, the jury is still out. This past season he was up-and-down with Skelleftea of the SHL, still figuring out the game on the defensive side of the puck while scoring an okay 13 points in 44 games.

I still feel Broberg can compete for the NHL in two years or so, but in a 2019 re-draft Broberg likely goes towards the end of the first round, rather than 8th overall where he was taken. In a 2018 re-draft, K'Andre Miller is almost certainly a top 10 pick.

As far as Simon Edvinsson goes, I feel he's a stronger prospect than Broberg because, quite simply, he has a better understanding of the game and is far more advanced defensively at the same age. This is why I ranked Edvinsson in the middle of the first round. But would I call him a high hockey IQ player? No, I'd say he's above-average in that regard, but it's not necessarily a plus tool.

My problem lies not with Swedes -- as my #4 ranking of William Eklund and #10 ranking (as high as I've seen) for Isak Rosen would seem to indicate. If I were ranking the hockey IQ of every player in the 2021 draft, I would have Eklund -- a brilliant player -- atop that list. But it's not because he's Swedish, it's just because he's really, really smart.

If asked about Edvinsson -- and I often have been -- I feel he projects to an excellent second-pairing defender, who makes a difference every shift with his physicality and speed and defensive presence. Just having a guy on the ice with that type of ice coverage -- great skating and 6'5 wing-span -- is a benefit to your club's defensive efforts. I also feel he will excel in transition, with his skating and silky smooth set of hands. But I do not feel he will be a 40+ point player -- he has not shown this capability in his amateur career (1 goal, 11 assists in 38 games this past season over three leagues), and he does not feature high-end passing, shooting or hockey IQ necessary to create offense at the NHL level. So I'm ranking him in the same mid-first round region as the player from the 2020 draft I liken him the most to, which is Braden Schneider.
 
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I would be admittedly quite disappointed if the Devils took Edvinsson at #4. Though I am a huge fan of physical & competitive defensive-minded defensemen, I feel #4 overall is very high to take them, and I don't feel there is a huge difference in projectable ability between Edvinsson and a player like Kirill Kirsanov or Anton Olsson, one of whom the Devils could likely get in the second round for LD. To me, any of the three projects as a second-pairing, mobile shut-down defender with physicality -- I just don't see Kirsanov or Olsson being quite as fast or physical, so I have them ranked a bit lower.

hmm, perhaps I will take that #1 spot for most pissed off if it happens then. I will be very very angry. Even if he does end up becoming a stud d-man 5 years from now, that doesn't change how I'd feel on draft day.
 
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hmm, perhaps I will take that #1 spot for most pissed off if it happens then. I will be very very angry. Even if he does end up becoming a stud d-man 5 years from now, that doesn't change how I'd feel on draft day.

I'm prepared for the (small, but feasible) possibility that the Devils take Edvinsson at 4th overall, because I feel Edvinsson will add a physical presence to the blueline which, when combined with his speed and transition game, will certainly benefit the team going forwards.

But I do not feel this would be a good value pick, especially if Power, Clarke or Hughes are available with the pick. In fact, I would prefer a 4th overall pick of Carson Lambos to Edvinsson, because I feel he offers greater two-way upside, despite the fact he also comes with more risk than Edvinsson.

Now, I'm not advocating taking Lambos at 4th overall, either. I feel with a pick so high, you should have a better idea of what you're getting. With Hughes, it might be the most upside of any player in the draft -- an elite skating 6'3 D with huge scoring upside. With Clarke, it's a player with even superior scoring tools and a more polished two-way game, but lacking Hughes' dynamic skating ability. Edvinsson should be a terrific defensive presence with speed and physicality, but you have to wonder if he'll ever be a consistent 30+ point guy, much less a top scoring defender like Hughes and Clarke can become.
 
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I'm prepared for the (small, but feasible) possibility that the Devils take Edvinsson at 4th overall, because I feel Edvinsson will add a physical presence to the blueline which, when combined with his speed and transition game, will certainly benefit the team going forwards.

But I do not feel this would be a good value pick, especially if Power, Clarke or Hughes are available with the pick. In fact, I would prefer a 4th overall pick of Carson Lambos to Edvinsson, because I feel he offers greater two-way upside, despite the fact he also comes with more risk than Edvinsson.

Now, I'm not advocating taking Lambos at 4th overall, either. I feel with a pick so high, you should have a better idea of what you're getting. With Hughes, it might be the most upside of any player in the draft -- an elite skating 6'3 D with huge scoring upside. With Clarke, it's a player with even superior scoring tools and a more polished two-way game, but lacking Hughes' dynamic skating ability. Edvinsson should be a terrific defensive presence with speed and physicality, but you have to wonder if he'll ever be a consistent 30+ point guy, much less a top scoring defender like Hughes and Clarke can become.

Yea my issue with Edvinsson is not the player himself but that it's horrendous value. I'd rather trade that pick for Sergachev (who has yet to establish himself as a major offensive contributor) but has already proved himself a solid two-way d-man and has 2 cups over a project pick who might be as good as sergachev in 4 years or so. I'm not so sure tampa would be willing to do that trade though (honestly have no idea).
 

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As my final guess for the draft, Id love for us to get Luke fourth and then, if we actually use the Islanders pick, id like to take the goaltender Benjamin Gaudreau. To get another higher-end goaltending prospect as a safety net would be nice, as were stacked offensively and have a lot of AHL dmen coming up. Also Id like Justin Janicke with our very next pick, which is considered a reach to some lists Ive seen (if this draft even has reaches)
 

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Red Savage is also one of the better face-off men, two-way centers and forecheckers in the draft. He's controlled havoc, because his compete level is matched by a great understanding of the game and terrific hockey IQ. I think he's one of the higher floor players in the draft, and yes, he also has one of the coolest names.

Done! Besides the kick ass name, we need that behind Nico and Disgraceful Jack (also his pirate name). If and when Merc hits, he can be the Swiss..err…Canadian Army Knife.

Savage and Pytlik can battle it out for future 3C.

And go get a Othmann/L’Pew/Boucher/Stillman type too! Mercer-Rowdy Roddy Winger-Savage would be a killer line to throw when your need to get some energy or get some business time going.

Start drafting those Cup run pieces now, the less to trade for later.

If they come out this draft with a potential #1D, a potential rugged winger, maybe a potential scoring LW, a couple of RDs and another goalie. That pipeline will look like cream cheese.
 
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