Value of: Ivan Provorov

[AirGut]

What's it take to make you feel satisfied CBJ fans?

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[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

For Provorov?

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Late first feels right.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I'd guess a 2nd and a ok prospect.

 

[majormajor]

In this draft (not a good one), he ought to garner a late 1st. 2nd+ is probably not a winning bid.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Didn't he just break his thumb a day or two ago?

 

[CBJx614]

Didn't he just break his thumb a day or two ago?

And he's still playing and producing lol

 

[ViD]

Let’s start with your 1st round pick and whatever sweetener you offer to outbid others

 

[Prairie Habs]

And he's still playing and producing lol

That's not the situation I would be investing my first round pick in

 

[Viqsi]

That's not the situation I would be investing my first round pick in

Maybe not a high 1st like what the Habs have, but teams that actually have a chance at the playoffs might feel different.

 

[Dumais]

That's not the situation I would be investing my first round pick in

...because he almost broke his thumb or...?

sorry, struggling here

 

[CBJx614]

That's not the situation I would be investing my first round pick in

Okay so don't? Other teams will be. He's playing well in a top 4 role on a meh team that was supposed to be in the top contention for the lottery and he hasn't missed a game in a CBJ uniform.

 

[majormajor]

Provorov has missed a grand total of 3 games in his whole career, out of 666 possible games. Sturdy tough D that can do a little bit of everything, 11 pts in 22 career playoff games. He's the exact sort of D that teams shell out for at the deadline. He outclasses many D that fetched late 1sts.

 

[David71]

whats does cbj want from vancouver?

 

[Indy18]

whats does cbj want from vancouver?

Columbus is going to want at min a 1st at 50% retention. That's going to be by far the bottom opening bid and before people say anything he won't get it...this happens every single year...GM love defensive players, especially ones with a history of availability/not being injured, at the trading deadline

Now I know we been scouting Hoglander and I wouldn't doubt he ends up on our team somehow but I wouldn't be shocked seeing a package with him involved but its absolutely going to require your 1st 2025 for a 50% Provorov. There is going to be a GM who offers a 1st for Provorov and that's going to always win out.

 

[David71]

Columbus is going to want at min a 1st at 50% retention. That's going to be by far the bottom opening bid and before people say anything he won't get it...this happens every single year...GM love defensive players, especially ones with a history of availability/not being injured, at the trading deadline

Now I know we been scouting Hoglander and I wouldn't doubt he ends up on our team somehow but I wouldn't be shocked seeing a package with him involved but its absolutely going to require your 1st 2025 for a 50% Provorov. There is going to be a GM who offers a 1st for Provorov and that's going to always win out.

okay a first. anythign else added with hoglander?

 

[biturbo19]

Columbus is going to want at min a 1st at 50% retention. That's going to be by far the bottom opening bid and before people say anything he won't get it...this happens every single year...GM love defensive players, especially ones with a history of availability/not being injured, at the trading deadline

Now I know we been scouting Hoglander and I wouldn't doubt he ends up on our team somehow but I wouldn't be shocked seeing a package with him involved but its absolutely going to require your 1st 2025 for a 50% Provorov. There is going to be a GM who offers a 1st for Provorov and that's going to always win out.

Yeah. I'd expect at 50% retention, it'd be Hoggy+1st. Figuring that out is probably the biggest stumbling block. The way Ruthervin do business though, i'd expect some else they want coming back from Columbus as well. Not sure what that is.

Kind of scared it'd be Zach Ass-Reese.

 

[1865]

People saying he won't get a first. You forget he's a d-man and something of a reclamation project. GMs will absolutely overpay because they're arrogant enough to think they can get something more out of him.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

People saying he won't get a first. You forget he's a d-man and something of a reclamation project. GMs will absolutely overpay because they're arrogant enough to think they can get something more out of him.

Yup, this guy was in a tier with Werenski before he just stagnated. Think he just physically peaked younger and then just hit a wall. Still think it’s possible there’s more there but he’s not a PP guy for sure. The Flyers beat the hell out of that dead horse.

 

[biturbo19]

Yup, this guy was in a tier with Werenski before he just stagnated. Think he just physically peaked younger and then just hit a wall. Still think it’s possible there’s more there but he’s not a PP guy for sure. The Flyers beat the hell out of that dead horse.

He was an absolute tank in Juniors. But he still skates well and all the pieces are there to be more than he's consistently been at the NHL level. He's very "partner sensitive" and he's honestly just had a string of mostly dumb partners that haven't worked.

If you find the right one, and get him in a more appropriate role...he could be a difference-maker.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

He was an absolute tank in Juniors. But he still skates well and all the pieces are there to be more than he's consistently been at the NHL level. He's very "partner sensitive" and he's honestly just had a string of mostly dumb partners that haven't worked.

If you find the right one, and get him in a more appropriate role...he could be a difference-maker.

I remember him at Brandon, just a monster, but guys like that can’t abuse grown men in the NHL like they did in juniors. When he played with Niskanen he was borderline elite, he’s very partner reliant, agree. Loved watching him play with Nisky, was literally like bread and butter neither of them were better without each other, they just meshed perfectly.

 

[majormajor]

People saying he won't get a first. You forget he's a d-man and something of a reclamation project. GMs will absolutely overpay because they're arrogant enough to think they can get something more out of him.

He doesn't have to be any better than he is now to justify a 1st. You're stuck in the past.

Here's what Jackets fans were saying about him last night:

Top rated player with a broken thumb, what a gutsy performance

We will miss him. Just like Gavrikov

Give him the Hanifin deal! Or something slightly less

We should really consider trying to keep Provorov.

Now of course that was one of his best games. But it gives you a flavor of what Jackets fans think about their player.

 

[1865]

He doesn't have to be any better than he is now to justify a 1st. You're stuck in the past.

Here's what Jackets fans were saying about him last night:












Now of course that was one of his best games. But it gives you a flavor of what Jackets fans think about their player.

I like Provorov, but he's objectively taken a dip in the past four years.

 

[alphafox]

1st and a 3rd or a D prospect maybe like a Tom Willander (might require more coming back depending on how willing at team is to mortgage their future)? Waddell clearly wants to overhaul our Blueline and wants assets to make a deal for an impact player as he's already said that's his ideal plan for the MN pick. I assume DW's plan is primarily to add to the warchest so the draft assets are the primary target.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

That's not the situation I would be investing my first round pick in

yeah "versatile big-minutes tough guy who will effectively play through injuries" isn't something that appeals to playoff teams at all