Player Discussion: Ivan Provorov

[CBJx614]

Not exactly CBJ related... but PROVY related!

 

[NotCommitted]

I think the team should be done “building”, while at the same time I think having 20 year old Mateychuk playing now is actually the best for him and the team, currently and in the long run.

You very well might be right, I really have no opinion on this since I haven't watched Mateychuk play in the AHL.

But generally speaking I'd say with D-men it's always a safer option to take it slow. It would be tough to find examples of players where you could say extra 40 games in the AHL ruined them, but pretty easy to find examples of young D-men who were brought up too soon and played minutes they couldn't handle and never became even close to the players they were supposed to become. And then people will never know if it was because they weren't developed properly or if they just were lacking in the first place.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I am open to keeping Provorov. He’s very steady and I don’t know if you’re going to find someone better on the market. However, keeping him essentially banishes Mateychuk to third pairing duty for a few seasons, or if he plays better than Provorov, you’re going to have a 6-7+ million defenseman on the third pair or on his off hand. Just don’t see the long term fit for the team or the player. He probably wants to play more minutes on the PP too and we just can’t offer that long or short term.

Christiansen isn’t as good of a player but is it that much of a difference that you would essentially let him go and let Provorov stay? Not sure personally.

Plus Hunt and Svozil in the wings, might just be better for us to get our draft pick and move on. Even if he’s a solid player.

But on the other hand, it’s clear Waddell wants to win in short order. Provorov does help us do that. And it allows us to let Mateychuk mature slower.

I mean I hate to keep bring ingredients up he NJ Devils but they are the other team I know quite a bit about and seem to have built up in a way I'd like to see us build. They've got Luke Hughes playing on a 3rd pairing with Simon Nemec and Seamus Casey playing in the AHL.

They roll 3 d pairs pretty evenly between 18-20 minutes each. Luke sits on the 18+ range. In comparison we are riding Werenski at 26 minutes a game and that is going to come back and bite hard if he gets injured or wears down as the season goes on.

That depth is not a bad problem to have. For that reason alone I think there is value in keeping him for a couple of years.

 

[CannonFire1]

I mean I hate to keep bring ingredients up he NJ Devils but they are the other team I know quite a bit about and seem to have built up in a way I'd like to see us build. They've got Luke Hughes playing on a 3rd pairing with Simon Nemec and Seamus Casey playing in the AHL.

They roll 3 d pairs pretty evenly between 18-20 minutes each. Luke sits on the 18+ range. In comparison we are riding Werenski at 26 minutes a game and that is going to come back and bite hard if he gets injured or wears down as the season goes on.

That depth is not a bad problem to have. For that reason alone I think there is value in keeping him for a couple of years.

I agree with the point you are making re: depth. Rather than signing Provorov long term, I would like to see them trade Provorov for a 1st plus, then package assets to acqire someone better than Provorov who fits with the long term vision for the team.